PETALING JAYA: Sultan Brunei, Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah semalam menceraikan isteri baginda, Pengiran Isteri Azrinaz Mazhar Hakim Mazhar dengan talak satu.

Pengumuman khas mengenai perceraian itu diumumkan oleh Pengiran Penggawa Laila Bentara Istiadat Diraja Dalam Istana, Pengiran Alaudin Pengiran Abu Bakar melalui web tv Radio Televisyen Brunei (RTB) di Brunei malam semalam.

Pengiran Alaudin turut mengumumkan kesemua pingat dan darjah kebesaran yang pernah dianugerahkan kepada bekas wartawan penyiaran TV3 itu ditarik balik serta-merta.

Pengumuman khas itu boleh diikuti di http://www.rtbnews.rtb.gov.bn/?c=newsDetail&news_id=10094.

Sultan Brunei menikahi Azrinaz pada 20 Ogos 2005 pada satu majlis tertutup di lokasi yang dirahsiakan. Beliau ketika itu berusia 26 tahun sementara baginda berusia 58 tahun.

Hasil perkahwinan tersebut pasangan diraja itu dikurniakan dua cahaya mata iaitu Putera Abdul Wakeel pada 1 Jun 2006 dan Puteri Ameerah Wardatul Bolkiah pada 28 Januari 2008.

biasalah...dah bosan

no picthar?

ouh no!azrinaz janda berhias yo..

nope..live update by the brunei govrnment official theu web TV..

the reall definaton ada wang ada amoi

ada oil ada bini baru hari2

u dont know the meaning of janda berhias? dont u read, she got 2 children with him

dont know bcoz im not janda mang

Cerailah kamu sebelum kamu di APCO kan

Ada Minyak > Ada $$$ > Ada Amoi~

Talak satu?

i thought need 3 talaks to be officially divorced?

talak 1 and 2 can rujuk...talak 3 cannot rujuk..

rujuk means what?
can recall back? Like 1st warning?
So this means she got 2 more chances in her life?

Why is it that men are so easy to talak their wife?

Marriage takes up so much ceremony and money, yet divorcing is so easy for the males. Just simply talak?
Makes marriage so cheap.

sultan owh sultan. haha. nevermind. hes a billionaire. can do watever he wants.

lets Vuvuzela-ing Azrinaz

he got 2 block of oil from marehsia...nais~

talak 1 n 2, can marry back lor..

let say u n ur wife fite.. then u divorce her.. if cannot marry back, shes gone for other liao..

In civil marriages, there's 1 year window of seperation and after that its officially divorced.

After that if the decide to get back together, repeat the whole process again in the registrar of marriage

If the husband talak the wife 1 time, will he be paying her $$$ as compensation?

talak 1 and 2, is cerai.... but theres a certain period for u to get back(rujuk).... if u not get back in this period, u need to make a new akad(the marry ritual with the tok imam, )....

but talak 3, no rujuk... and u cant remarry with a new akad also..... if still want marry, ur wife(ex) have to marry other people and divorce, then only u can marry...

basically u hav 3 chance la to divorce ur wife... but if u say" i cerai u dengan talak 3" then habis la ur other talak 1 and 2.... u go straight to talak 3, hav to face the consequences la


corrct me if im wrong guise

This post has been edited by PVCpipe: Jun 17 2010, 04:06 AM

Kesian makcik yang tanak nasi minyak tu.

wow this thread become cerai thread

T1

i am from brunei! HAHAHA

lol. apakah salah mereka?

Azrinaz is the new MILF yo

norazlina redzuan turn?

“Beliau ketika itu berusia 26 tahun sementara baginda berusia 58 tahun.

Hasil perkahwinan tersebut pasangan diraja itu dikurniakan dua cahaya mata ”

Wow,sultan brunei is damn kuat ah.

if kena talak satu/dua then the husband must support the wife until certain period, not remember but i think 3 times period kot...
and the wife can still stay at the husband's house during that time and they even can have secks, legally... but after the period still no rujuk then baru officially divorce.. if talak 3 then ultimate la cannot remarry until the wife got divorce by other husband a.k.a <insert race> buta...

but now ppl divorce then suruh hantar balik kampung...

Perhaps for certain period they know are not meant for each other and the love becoming sour...just respect not love..
But I believe Sultan take a very good care of her in term of financial support, 1 million maybe..so Azrinaz can take care two of her children.

^ lol at you thinkin sultan brunei will give only 1million to his exes

Shes a Malaysian.. TV3 personality... based on statistic, if a person marrying a Malaysian within the entertainment industry will have a higher chance of divorce... not exactly happily ever after!

ada yg tak kene nih.. sampai semua kene tarik balik... sure gaduh besar

This post has been edited by mirzan007: Jun 17 2010, 08:59 AM

suda bosan ma.. cari c-ham laen lor

Ramlah Ram pon dah bercerai semalam

mebi tak pandai main lar

selamat jalan romeo

Sultan Brunei wants Rozita Che Wan?

this is effin true. Kes cerai also happen between local artists

eh, how many wives he dah ceraikan? few years ago he baru ceraikan one of his malaysian wives right? ini bini ke-berape ni?

tolong la rozita che wan jgn kawen ngn sultan brunei..

Sudah dapat gading bertuah, tanduk tidak berguna lagi.

Kalau aku jadi Sultan Brunei, tak nak Rozita Che Wan tu...dah tua
Baik amik yang umur <30.
Boleh 'pakai' lama sikit
Perempuan >40 dah out dah.


This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Jun 17 2010, 10:25 AM

If say already, can take back? Supposing no other people around?

I thought divorce is only enforced through legal means (i.e. black & white agreement signed) and not just words
Otherwise, it seems to be VERY easy to just divorce by saying "talak" at the spur of the moment (i.e. emo)

Whats the point of talak then if she is still around and continues with sex? Self defeating purpose.

And why is it that only men can talak woman and not the other way around?

diana denielle sure book her air asia ticket to brunei already

That is why in Malaysia, you can only officially and legally say "Saya ceraikan kamu dengan talak xxx..." in the divorce court proceeding.

If you do it outside of the court, you can be fined or jailed.

This is called syariah law, the same law that states Bung Mokhtar must be jailed because he married Zizie without court and supposedly his 1st wife's permission.

Also, once you mention talak to her, YOU CANNOT HAVE SEX WITH HER. That /ktard was trolling you....

Technically once your talak has been confirmed by the court, you must live separately in different houses. Originally the wife must stay in the house you live together while you the male must live somewhere, but nowadays most divorcee's rather live somewhere else, like their own personal house or their parents (balik kampung).

Muslimat (female muslims) can ask for divorce, but the power to divorce still resides with the husband.

Supposedly this is to prevent women from getting divorced by the simplest of things, since women are more emotional.

If woman wants a divorce from husband, I think it's termed as fasakh, the woman must compensate the husband (pay him off).

Say the woman mention something like "I want a divorce, I'll pay you RM1 million", if the husband agrees, they can go to court to finalize the divorce, then she can pay him off.


Inb4 syariah lawyer comes and schools /ktards on Islamic law....

That one was his brother, Pengiran Sufri. Sufri married and divorced Mazuin Hamzah (Amy Mastura's cousin).

Maybe Sultan Brunei wanna test his luck and marry Manohara?

Maybe Lisa Surihani? I can hear thousand screaming "No....."

Oh ok... thanks.

If the man divorce the woman, he pays her $$$, and if the woman divorce the man, she pays him $$$ as compensation.

similar to civil divorce cases lol.

But if the woman has evidence of the man philandering, abusive, non committal to husband duties etc, then i think she dont need to compensate him right?

A man when divorce a woman, pay alimony (nafkah in Malay). This is stipulated by law, even civil law I believe. That is beside the dividing of harta sepencarian (shared assets) etc....

Muslim women cannot divorce a man, but she can ask to be divorced, and offer some form of compensation, usually money. It's still up to the man to say the talak word and officially and legally divorce the wife. Sometimes the man may want something other than money, sometims he may keep the wife just to spite her etc...

On the third part, she has to prove in court that the man did not fulfill his duty, then she can get divorced by court order. That one I think no compensation.

Just because the man is womanising or keeping mistresses or married another woman behind her back but still fulfill his duties at home (give money, house, other things 'normally good husband' should do), will NOT get her a divorce.

There are lots of Arabic terms on what is what, I'm not syariah lawyer, but did take agama classes back in school, maybe someone else can add some info.

oh noes!
there goes allowance to her families....

erm, how does syariah defines what is good husband?

if the husband is being unfaithful behind her, thats not fulfilling his duties as a husband.

And in cases where the husband seeks a 2nd wife, prior to that he would have had committed unfaithfulness by courting a woman not his wife, while still being married. Can the wife then seek injunction to nullify the marriage on such grounds?

Like in Bung Mokhtar, the wife can ask for divorce from him too.

But i feel that this isn't so fair to the woman la

Man that screws around behind her back seems ok. But if the woman goes court another man, than its haram

ada minyak ada amoi.......

I'm surprised you people aren't curious about this

these are the things should be taught in school Moral, or Pengajian AM etc.

reading this thread got me curious..

now i want to know MOAR!!11

You know, a lot of non-muslims are curious about Islam and Islamic law, but stupid Malaysian govt. always try to prevent them from learning.

Even if they learn and managed to get degree, they disallow them to use their knowledge, like case of Indian graduate who wants to practise syariah law besides civil law but cannot because she is not Muslim.

I hope you all take this with an open mind and not purposely trolling. Then we'll get real 1Malaysia as opposed to stupid BN propaganda and sloganeering....

so the wife will get half of the sultan's properties.

i stumbled upon this http://www.ohbulan.com/hrh-pengiran-isteri...-sultan-brunei/
bruneians said azrinaz is a thief
she stole queen's crown but was get caught red handed
sudah kantoi tidak mahu insaf..lagi mencuri dan mencuri..T__T
sultan very murka but he's kind enough didn't jail her.
if this was true...
OMGeeee!!

tamak haloba. but who cares. she divorcee but oredi got millions dollar/pounds etc inside her bank account.

It's up to the judge to determine what is a 'good husband'.

Technically if husband provides nafkah zahir (money to spend, house, transportation, maid etc.) and nafkah batin (consensual sex, loving children), wife has no 'real' reason to ask divorce even if he's being unfaithful.

If husband is courting other women and eventually marries a 2nd wife, technically 1st wife cannot object because Muslim man can have 4 wives. She can even be considered as a 'bad wife' if she does not consent to the 2nd wife if the husband goes through all the proper channels.

In actual Islamic law, husband doesn't actually need 1st wife's permission, only in syariah law written in Malaysia that you have to get permission from 1st wife and go to court with the permission in order to properly document the marriage.

She can ask for divorce, but it is up to her to prove that the reasons for divorce are valid as written before. The power to divorce is still with the husband.

I think Bung Mokhtar's 1st wife want a divorce, but then she has to pay compenstaion, and which woman who depend on her husband for her wealth would want that? All she can hope for is karma, in the form that Bung would soon get bored with Zizie and marry another sexy actress so Zizie can feel the same way she did.

yeah, it sounds unfair. I believe this is what Sisters in ISlam are actually fighting for, but unfortunately the Islamic law is written in stone (metaphorically), to go against it means you are against Islam itself.

i support single mothers!

Errrr.....
I thought Islam won't accept the principle of karma.

Just to enlighten everyone that karma means seed of deeds. The cultivation of deeds may or may not affect current livehood. Since Islam don't encourage the belief of rebirth, "karma" terms wildly being use as synomin to effect of action which may be misinterpret among mass.

Therefore I think the best term to use instead of karma is consequences (akibat).

karma = 5 alphabets

consequences = over 9000 alphabets.

Conclusion, easier and faster to type karma. More people get the idea as well.

Retibution also can use, but still >9000 aplhabets....

but apart from malaysia, the husband dont need 1st wife consent to court and marry another woman?

Any woman would be heartbroken.

Azrinaz going to get a hefty sum of alimony (nafkah).
It's stop untill she remarries another man.

Then again some Muslim countries ban polygamy too.

Maybe that's why Jezamine Lim's parents don't want her to marry Harith, later he became horny and marry another hot girl, Jazamine can't do nothin'. I heard Harith is quite the playa', met him a few times while I was living near Ampang....

BTW Harith must be a rich Melei, he wrote a personal cheque to Jezamine for her hantaran (wedding gift).

hav sex in the rujuk period means rujuk la(want to get together again)

HAHAA

lucky guy...ada wang, ada amoi

bro.... talak 1 & 2, if u had sex on the period of the given time(rujuk period), its means u want to get together(rujuk).... dont have to go to court, but that just want to make sure that u remember how many times u already divorce ur wife... b cause some ppl who lack of info bout islamic law wont know if they hav divorce his wife in anger using the other term like "i let u go", or "go back to your parent house" or zihar his wife with someone he cant marry

This post has been edited by PVCpipe: Jun 17 2010, 03:37 PM

I really LOL at the fella who really goes to court to keep tract. If he really loves his wife and accidentally her, he wont even want to go to court on this.

ya i think... thats derhaka wife u dont need to compensate... but i m not sure the man one

This post has been edited by PVCpipe: Jun 17 2010, 03:36 PM

Bro, I don't know which understanding is rite now....

According to my understanding, if you say "Saya ceraikan kamu", in or outside of court, the cerai talak is official already. She is not your wife any more.

You must live separately. SEPARATELY!

Going to court is just a formality, except that if you got to court after saying cerai, you will be fined as per Malaysian Syariah law.

If you cerai your wife, and later have sexing with her, won't the resulting child be an anak haram because you are no longer husband and wife?

The reason why there's three times is like baseball. 3 strikes, and you're out! Get another man/woman....

tua2 pun janji barang besar
:drips:

talak 1 and 2 have rujuk period.... sex, or say sorry sand say want to b to gether, any sign that means u want ur wife back, in the period means u want to rujuk back.... if after the period u still dont rujuk, u have to remarried under a new akad to get together....

This post has been edited by PVCpipe: Jun 17 2010, 03:50 PM

Are you sure? What if you force yourself unto your ex-wife? Isn't this rape?

Once talak she is not your wife anymore, remember? 3 month separation is just grace period in case you change your mind during the separation....

Rujuk still have to go back to pejabat agama rite?

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This post has been edited by marsalee: Nov 21 2010, 10:17 AM

what rape? when u talak 1 and 2, unless the rujuk period is over, u still husband and wife.... husband and wife got rape?

This post has been edited by PVCpipe: Jun 17 2010, 03:55 PM

I am clear on the 3 month iddah period, but I'm not sure that having sex with your ex-wife while under iddah period is halal any more.

Show me a link where sex during iddah period is halal.....

Wah, this is ajaran sesat!

When you talak, you are no longer husband and wife la!

Doesn't matter if talak 1 or talak 2, you must live separately!

I found a source that backs me up on this:

iv. Kewajipan tempat tinggal dan nafkah
Nafkah dan tempat tinggal adalah hak perempuan yang wajib diberikan oleh suami.

Mengenai tempat tinggal, iaitu tempat tinggal di mana di mana terjadinya perceraian, samada dengan talak atau kematian.

Suami tidak dibenarkan tinggal serumah dengan bekas isterinya itu atau memasukki tempat di mana bekas isterinya itu berada tanpa membawa bersama mahram. Larangan ini adalah untuk mengelakkan terjadinya khalwat yang sememangnya diharamkan terhadap pasangan ini. Manakala bekas isteri pula wajib menahan atau melarang suami dari melakukan perkara tersebut jika berkemampuan.

On further reaading, what you mention is applicable to Mazhab Hanafi and Maliki but NOT Mazhab Syafie. Since you are from Kuala Terengganu, and Terengganu is in Malaysia, you must be a Muslim who follows Mazhab Syafie.

Ustaz Zaharudin has mentioned that Mazhab Syafie does not allow ruju' via sexing your ex-wife during iddah period.

sos http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceraian_dalam_Islam#Rujuk

u dont need court to rujuk again

owh im sorry..... i look at diff perceptive here.... i was about to respond on ur say bout need court... yes ur right about the husband and wife must seperate, but they dont need court to rujuk

This post has been edited by PVCpipe: Jun 17 2010, 04:35 PM

You don't answer the question.

Yes I know, the court thing is just requirement of malaysian syariah law.

Technically in Islam there's not even suppose to be marriage registration (surat daftar nikah), but malaysian syariah law introduce it to prevent things like you getting tangkap khalwat with your wife without proof of marriage.

Going back to the question, that wikipedia page doesn't mention that you can have sex with your ex-wife during iddah period.

I found better explanation in Ustaz Zaharudin's page, I copy pasta the thing for you:

BOLEHKAH RUJU' TANPA MELAFAZ?


Ulama mazhab berbeza fatwa dalam hal ini seperti berikut :-
.....
Syafie : Mazhab Syafie menolak ruju' melalui perlakuan tanpa lafaz secara total, sama ada persetubuhan, mahupun permulaannya sebagaimana pandangan Hanafi tadi. Mazhab Syafie berfatwa sebarang persetubuhan pada waktu ‘iddah tanpa lafaz ruju' yang jelas terlebih dahulu adalah haram.

Imam As-Syafie berkata :-

والرد يكون بالكلام دون الفعل من جماع وغيره ; لأنه رد بلا كلام، فلا تثبت رجعة لرجل على امرأته حتى يتكلم بالرجعة، كما لا يكون نكاح ولا طلاق حتى يتكلم بهما، فإذا تكلم بها في العدة ثبتت له الرجعة
Ertinya : Ruju mestilah dengan percakapan ( lafaz) dan bukannya dengan jima' dan lainnya, kerana tiada ruju' tanpa lafaz, maka tidak sah ruju' bagi seorang lelaki kepada wanita sehinggalah dia melafazkannya, sebagaimana tiada nikah dan talaq yang dibuat tanpa lafaz, maka jika si lelaki melafazkannya (ruju') semasa iddah barulah sah ruju'nya" (Al-Umm)
.......
Kesimpulan : Apapun pendapat pelbagai mazhab, sebagaimana yang telah saya dedahkan di atas, Malaysia mengambil mazhab Syafie yang mensyaratkan suami MESTI melafazkan ruju' terlebih dahulu secara rasmi. Ia wajar dituruti.

Must one comply with Mazhab Syafie? How about other Mazhab? What does the Quran say about this ar?

All this man made laws, if two people senyap senyap rujuk balik then talak problem kan?

you all talak confuse ya, jangan la gaduh gaduh, talak baik punya.. ok?

as far as i know, sex between them in iddah is consider rujuk, coz u wont do sex if u still hate each other....

actually... u cant say this mazhab is wrong, or that mazhab is wrong... there are no mazhab in quran... it just that they use diff approach... like in shafie... it wont go too strict, and too lose when want to decide abut the hukum... cant tell far bout this as im not quite sure how to tell.... what i know my friend say, dont say that ur mazhab is right and others wrong... he says "jangan terlalu taksub dengan satu2 mazhab"

Coz i read there about Syafie Fatwa, which is man made.

So i think this is still best go back to Quran lo...

dunno if it has such references.. haha. need Syariah lawyer to tell, but its only applicable in Malaysia. Elsewhere different law i think

ya.. fatwa is declared by the ulama, these ppl suppose to study many aspect of islamic law and quran, and hadith.... fatwa is there bcause theres no law or certain thing mention by the prophet or in the quran

You can choose whatever mazhab you like, but in Malaysia, they make it LAW that you must follow Mazhab Syafie.

The problem with two people senyap-senyap cerai and then ruju' balik is the keep-track problem.

How do you keep track? There's a limit of 3 times, if you keep track by yourselves, you will surely cheat on the tracking.

Last sentence is the best, I agree, jangan la gaduh gaduh, talak baik punya.. ok?

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Added on June 17, 2010, 5:49 pmLast time I checked, there's no Mazhab PVCPipe, so your opinions doesn't count....

If you want to follow Mazhab Maliki/Hanafi/Hanbali, then it's your choice. But then you have to follow it TO THE LETTER.

Also don't come crying in /kopitiam when JAKIM come and arrest you for not following mazhab Syafie.

Besides, ustaz Zaharudin, probably Malaysia's most famous Internet Ustaz, already wrote this:

Kesimpulan : Apapun pendapat pelbagai mazhab, sebagaimana yang telah saya dedahkan di atas, Malaysia mengambil mazhab Syafie yang mensyaratkan suami MESTI melafazkan ruju' terlebih dahulu secara rasmi. Ia wajar dituruti.

http://www.zaharuddin.net/content/view/710/95/



This post has been edited by Faidzal: Jun 17 2010, 05:56 PM

rotten siham liao lo

when did i say my mazhab? i just gave my opinion and i did told anyone can correct me if im wrong...

like u said, the actual islamic law is not our syariah court.... u said earlier that hav to tell the court then after that u can rujuk back.... i was initially said theres no need for that...

yes the problem is our society, their lack of understanding on religious law makes the gov impose this syariah court law

Of course there's no Mazhab PVCPipe, it's a figure of speech, kalau terasa maknanya terkena....

I corrected you already many time with proof, so why you keep repeating it?

So just because you understand the actual Islamic law, means you can ignore the syariah law?

meaning let's say you are married, one day you talak your wife, outside of court and without any saksi, later after both of you cool down, you have sex with her, so everything back to normal?

What happens when you did this 3 times? Are you still going to say you are still married?

later on you will still need to go to pejabat agama, explain everything, then pejabat agama will slap you with a fine and maybe even declare any children born after the 1st time you mention talak as anak tak sah taraf, how?

byk cakap la korang. ilmu secetek kolam tepi jalan pasal agama nak bincang lebih2 pulak. jgn nak borak2. kang berdosa manusia2 lain salah fhm baca post2 korang.

y u go to this? i know if i did that 3 times. i know u have to folow the shariah court, i just want tell that u can rujuk 1st and then tell the court later... u dont need court permission 1st bfore rujuk....

the sex thing i dont invent myself... i heard in ceramah also

i always have this kind of talk with my other friend also... he also learn syariah law....