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TSstaggerler
post Jun 10 2010, 10:28 PM, updated 16y ago

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Sadly my credit card stolen and 3 illegal transaction done..

can i apply for adjusment to withdraw from the payment?

any experience? i don't want to pay for what i'm not spending!!!


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post Jun 10 2010, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(staggerler @ Jun 10 2010, 10:28 PM)
Sadly my credit card stolen and 3 illegal transaction done..

can i apply for adjusment to withdraw from the payment?

any experience? i don't want to pay for what i'm not spending!!!
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Did you made police report and report to bank immediately after the credit card was stolen?
You don't have to pay if you did the right thing. Else, you expecting bank will cover for you when you didn't report card lost when it was stolen?
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post Jun 11 2010, 09:23 AM

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i've report after i knew my card was stolen..but unfortunately not fast enough before the culprit used my CC...damn...



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post Jun 11 2010, 09:58 AM

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i think should be enough....they have this 30 days thing
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post Jun 11 2010, 11:08 AM

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hope everythin will be accordingly without i have to pay it..
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post Jun 11 2010, 11:42 AM

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Malaysia's consumer protection mechanisms in this regard is still quite weak compared to the US but you should be okay. You might need to pay some fees to have the bank issue you a new card however.
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post Jun 11 2010, 11:53 AM

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most cards now have maximum liability of RM250 right?
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post Jun 11 2010, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jun 11 2010, 11:53 AM)
most cards now have maximum liability of RM250 right?
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but you can put all the blame on the merchant right? ask the merchant to absorb all the unauthorized transaction since they allow this to happen in the first place without verification

how about unauthorized transaction without loss card...like online transaction?
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post Jun 11 2010, 01:14 PM

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June 11th, 2009 - The Association of Banks in Malaysia (ABM) would like to affirm that in line with the objectives of protecting the interest of the consumers and fostering greater confidence in the banking sector, guidelines have long been in place to provide that the card holder’s maximum liability for unauthorized transactions as a consequence of a lost or stolen credit card shall be confined to a limit specified by the bank issuing the credit card, which shall not exceed RM250. This limit applies only in the event the cardholder has not acted fraudulently or has not failed to inform the bank as soon as reasonably practicable after having found out his or her credit card was lost or stolen.

To the best of ABM’s knowledge, these guidelines have been adhered to and banks have acted reasonably and fairly (and will continue to do so) in all circumstances where it was established that the cardholder was an unfortunate victim and there was no contributory negligence on his or her part. In many instances, however, investigations have revealed that the cardholder had failed to take proper care or that the cardholder did not take prompt action after the loss or theft of the credit card was discovered. ABM will be happy to assist with any queries if any.

Chuah Mei Lin
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post Jun 11 2010, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 11 2010, 11:56 AM)
but you can put all the blame on the merchant right? ask the merchant to absorb all the unauthorized transaction since they allow this to happen in the first place without verification

how about unauthorized transaction without loss card...like online transaction?
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How are they to verify? Not every merchant asked for IC. Even then I can put the name that appears on my card whatever I like so it's kinda impossible to verify. Well those transaction can happen even without loss card and even then the transaction might be done using clone cards.
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post Jun 11 2010, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jun 11 2010, 01:21 PM)
How are they to verify? Not every merchant asked for IC. Even then I can put the name that appears on my card whatever I like so it's kinda impossible to verify. Well those transaction can happen even without loss card and even then the transaction might be done using clone cards.
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i thought you cannot clone credit card anymore since they got this smart chip thingy?

how do you put your name on the card? the name on the card is like engrave wording

if merchant didn't ask for IC it's their fault right? if im not wrong merchant in US ask for ID card when you want to pay by CC

im confused about the Rm250

250 means max we pay for 250 regardless of how much the unauthorize transaction

OR

bank only protect you for RM250 only...thats mean if RM1k unauthorized transaction i need to pay 750?


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Under the law, a consumer's obligation for unauthorized use of a card is only $50. This means, for example, that if a card is stolen, the credit card lender can only charge you a maximum of $50 no matter how much the thief has charged on the card.


this is for US...just want to use it for comparison

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post Jun 11 2010, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 11 2010, 01:41 PM)
i thought you cannot clone credit card anymore since they got this smart chip thingy?

how do you put your name on the card? the name on the card is like engrave wording

if merchant didn't ask for IC it's their fault right? if im not wrong merchant in US ask for ID card when you want to pay by CC

im confused about the Rm250

250 means max we pay for 250 regardless of how much the unauthorize transaction

OR

bank only protect you for RM250 only...thats mean if RM1k unauthorized transaction i need to pay 750?
this is for US...just want to use it for comparison
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I purchased from many retail outlets in US with my credit card, the only shop that bothers to ask for identification is Gamestop. The rest couldn't care less.

bank only protect you for RM250 only...thats mean if RM1k unauthorized transaction you need to pay 750
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post Jun 11 2010, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(pmsoo @ Jun 11 2010, 01:44 PM)
I purchased from many retail outlets in US with my credit card, the only shop that bothers to ask for identification is Gamestop. The rest couldn't care less.

bank only protect you for RM250 only...thats mean if RM1k unauthorized transaction you need to pay 750
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crap....US law is much better.....

RM250 = = no protection at all........
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post Jun 11 2010, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(pmsoo @ Jun 11 2010, 01:44 PM)
I purchased from many retail outlets in US with my credit card, the only shop that bothers to ask for identification is Gamestop. The rest couldn't care less.

bank only protect you for RM250 only...thats mean if RM1k unauthorized transaction you need to pay 750
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It works the other way than what you mentioned.
Credit card holder maximum liability is RM250 ONLY IF a person inform bank as soon as reasonably practicable after card stolen.

keyword - ONLY IF

QUOTE(leongal @ Jun 11 2010, 01:14 PM)
June 11th, 2009 - The Association of Banks in Malaysia (ABM) would like to affirm that in line with the objectives of protecting the interest of the consumers and fostering greater confidence in the banking sector, guidelines have long been in place to provide that the card holder’s maximum liability for unauthorized transactions as a consequence of a lost or stolen credit card shall be confined to a limit specified by the bank issuing the credit card, which shall not exceed RM250. This limit applies only in the event the cardholder has not acted fraudulently or has not failed to inform the bank as soon as reasonably practicable after having found out his or her credit card was lost or stolen.

To the best of ABM’s knowledge, these guidelines have been adhered to and banks have acted reasonably and fairly (and will continue to do so) in all circumstances where it was established that the cardholder was an unfortunate victim and there was no contributory negligence on his or her part. In many instances, however, investigations have revealed that the cardholder had failed to take proper care or that the cardholder did not take prompt action after the loss or theft of the credit card was discovered. ABM will be happy to assist with any queries if any.

Chuah Mei Lin
Executive Director
The Association of Banks in Malaysia

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post Jun 11 2010, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 11 2010, 01:41 PM)
i thought you cannot clone credit card anymore since they got this smart chip thingy?

how do you put your name on the card? the name on the card is like engrave wording

if merchant didn't ask for IC it's their fault right? if im not wrong merchant in US ask for ID card when you want to pay by CC

im confused about the Rm250

250 means max we pay for 250 regardless of how much the unauthorize transaction

OR

bank only protect you for RM250 only...thats mean if RM1k unauthorized transaction i need to pay 750?
this is for US...just want to use it for comparison
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It means you only pay maximum 250 no matter how much those unauthorized transactions cost
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post Jun 12 2010, 02:44 AM

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To TS:

This should answer all your headaches, heartache, sleepless nights and so on. I have seen this article before. Its a landmark case for credit card and the RM 250 myth.

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/consumer-victory-chee-court-upholds-rm250-cap-lost-credit-cards


Added on June 12, 2010, 2:51 amIf you report immediately to the Bank...

Whatever unauthorised amount incurred on the card, you will not be liable for it. The Bank will pay.

If you report like 7 days later even though you BLATANTLY knew your card is lost or stolen...

Than the bank's liability will be limited up to RM 250.

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post Jun 12 2010, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jun 12 2010, 02:44 AM)
To TS:

This should answer all your headaches, heartache, sleepless nights and so on. I have seen this article before. Its a landmark case for credit card and the RM 250 myth.

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/consumer-victory-chee-court-upholds-rm250-cap-lost-credit-cards


Added on June 12, 2010, 2:51 amIf you report immediately to the Bank...

Whatever unauthorised amount incurred on the card, you will not be liable for it. The Bank will pay.

If you report like 7 days later even though you BLATANTLY knew your card is lost or stolen...

Than the bank's liability will be limited up to RM 250.
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"I lodged a complaint with Bank Negara but no action was taken by the Central Bank to enforce the guidelines it had issued," Chee told Malay Mail. "I also didn't receive any conclusive reply to my complaint."


BNM is useless....
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post Jun 12 2010, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jun 12 2010, 02:44 AM)

If you report like 7 days later even though you BLATANTLY knew your card is lost or stolen...

Than the bank's liability will be limited up to RM 250.
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There is no such thing in BNM's credit card guidelines released in 2003. Credit card issuer can cover ALL fraud transactions.


Clause 13.2 of Bank Negara's Credit Card Guideline (can't get the source from BNM but it can be found somewhere and it was quoted by leongal before).
Highlighted part can be an argument as BNM doesn't define it.

"The cardholder's maximum liability for unauthorised transactions as a consequence of a lost or stolen credit card shall be confined to a limit specified by the issuer of credit cards, which shall not exceed RM250 provided the cardholder has not acted fraudulently or has not failed to inform the issuer of credit cards as soon as reasonably practicable after having found that his credit card is lost or stolen."
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post Jun 12 2010, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(roy918 @ Jun 12 2010, 10:20 AM)
There is no such thing in BNM's credit card guidelines released in 2003. Credit card issuer can cover ALL fraud transactions.
Clause 13.2 of Bank Negara's Credit Card Guideline (can't get the source from BNM but it can be found somewhere and it was quoted by leongal before).
Highlighted part can be an argument as BNM doesn't define it.

"The cardholder's maximum liability for unauthorised transactions as a consequence of a lost or stolen credit card shall be confined to a limit specified by the issuer of credit cards, which shall not exceed RM250 provided the cardholder has not acted fraudulently or has not failed to inform the issuer of credit cards as soon as reasonably practicable after having found that his credit card is lost or stolen."
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it's stated in BNM...just the guideline damn hard to find...not sure if its consider official but i found in BNM website

http://www.bnm.gov.my/files/publication/ar...box_banking.pdf

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:...EMYjMTH3c8VekAw
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post Jun 12 2010, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 12 2010, 10:43 AM)
it's stated in BNM...just the guideline damn hard to find...not sure if its consider official but i found in BNM website

http://www.bnm.gov.my/files/publication/ar...box_banking.pdf

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:...EMYjMTH3c8VekAw
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That is the report from measurements implemented by BNM and not the Credit Card Guidelines smile.gif
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post Jun 12 2010, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(roy918 @ Jun 12 2010, 12:23 PM)
That is the report from measurements implemented by BNM and not the Credit Card Guidelines  smile.gif
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the credit card guidelines is BNM/RH/GL-014-1

but i cannot find it in BNM website = ="
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post Jun 12 2010, 04:43 PM

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Worse come to worse follow that guy and bring the bank to court lol. Got precedence somemore
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jun 12 2010, 04:43 PM)
Worse come to worse follow that guy and bring the bank to court lol. Got precedence somemore
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can we sue them for money? since they(bank) try to "fraud" us too brows.gif

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Normally there's a complaint procedure to follow for each bank, the procedure may be different (probably minor) but if you followed the complaint to the "letter" than you shouldn't have any problem getting BNM's attention.

That is, if the Bank decides to ignore your complaint for some reason or doesn't respond to your query in a satisfactory manner.

The worse case scenario is either go for the normal legal process in the Courts (depending on the amount claimed by yourself) or Consumer Tribunal (who are more than happy to bash the respective banks in the name of consumer protection)

The only caveat before resorting to legal relief or process is that you are required to exhaust all avenues before you go straight to step 5. Otherwise, you might end up paying cost to the bank or open yourself up for malicious prosecution.

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1. Complain to bank (write in... etc.)
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3. Go to BNM
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5. Go to Court.
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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 12 2010, 05:33 PM)
can we sue them for money? since they(bank) try to "fraud" us too  brows.gif
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Yes. You can even claim money for the mental torture they caused lol
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last time my cc been missing ( i don't know it ) then bank called, ask whether the card with me.. i said no.. he ask where are you know, i said clinic.. he said call bank as soon as possible cause suspect stolen (well, they know it) (should i suspect my-next-roommate?transaction all done near to my house, and i didn't lock the door before i went out for clinic)

3 transaction for petrol about RM150 each within 15 minutes ... then bank negotiate but never mention that RM250 thing (my uncle mention it, and IF report the case before the theft use it)

nego nego, i think roughly paid Rm1xx.xx ... but really need to nego nego ok ?
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Hmm kinda fakap i thought credit card got insurance to cover up the stolen issues or cost?
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QUOTE(staggerler @ Jun 10 2010, 10:28 PM)
Sadly my credit card stolen and 3 illegal transaction done..

can i apply for adjusment to withdraw from the payment?

any experience? i don't want to pay for what i'm not spending!!!
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hey,so how is ur case?
is it settle? can shares??

thanks
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QUOTE(ally80 @ Dec 21 2010, 04:15 PM)
hey,so how is ur case?
is it settle? can shares??

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there is already a case similar like this brought to court and consumer win....he/she don't even need to pay the Rm250

the court even try to fine the bank for trying to charge more than Rm250

Association Bank of Malaysia

http://www.abm.org.my/ABM%27s_Press_Statem...redit_card.aspx

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http://www.freedebtmanagementprogram.com/a...ank-negara.html

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is it really we have onli need to pay for maximum rm250 for this cases, because lately have a case similiar happen to me, but i am just able to make a report after the unauthorised transaction occur.. so i hope to get any 1 help me also.. thanks..
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Wanted to ask, if you are a customer and you bought smtg more than 10k somewhere around (eg July) and you would like to file a dispute with the bank that you did not receive any items. Should this be done immediately or you have a plenty of time to do so becoz the bank would still entertain this case ?

Scam scenerio
July : Buyer (scammer) bought rm10k worth of items online using cc. His orders went through Succesfully (verified by marketplace). Seller did cod and sent his orders within a week (but without proof of collection by buyer eg: siggy, ic,etc )

Dec : seller being informed that buyer has filed dispute that he nvr received any items from cod. Rm10k was charged bk to seller.

My question :
seller being informed of this dispute in dec but not immediately (perhaps august, a month after he realised he did not receive any items from seller?) the gap between july and dec is far too long for the buyer to file this dispute. I wonder if the buyer really reported in aug but the bank took 3-4 months to inform the seller ? Or the bank accepts dispute regardless how long (180 days-365 days) as long as the buyer claimed he never received the items ??
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QUOTE(kawa_e @ Mar 8 2017, 10:54 PM)
Wanted to ask, if you are a customer and you bought smtg more than 10k somewhere around (eg July) and you would like to file a dispute with the bank that you did not receive any items. Should this be done immediately or you have a plenty of time to do so becoz the bank would still entertain this case ?

Scam scenerio
July : Buyer (scammer) bought rm10k worth of items online using cc. His orders went through Succesfully (verified by marketplace). Seller did cod and sent his orders within a week (but without proof of collection by buyer eg: siggy, ic,etc )

Dec : seller being informed that buyer has filed dispute that he nvr received any items from cod. Rm10k was charged bk to seller.

My question :
seller being informed of this dispute in dec but not immediately (perhaps august, a month after he realised he did not receive any items from seller?) the gap between july and dec is far too long for the buyer to file this dispute. I wonder if the buyer really reported in aug but the bank took 3-4 months to inform the seller ? Or the bank accepts dispute regardless how long (180 days-365 days) as long as the buyer claimed he never received the items ??
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I only know about Visa, but i believe MC and AMEX is generally the same.

For item did not receive, the timeframe is 120 calendar day from the date of purchase made. However, for things like pre-order or items that requires long lead time, the time frame can change to 120 days from date of expected delivery or 120 days from the day card holder aware of the item could not be fulfilled.

So for your question, it depends on the item that seller is selling. If it is, lets say a bread, then seller can dispute as it passed 120 days and is unreasonable to wait for ~5 months to file dispute. But if it is something that requires long lead time, then yes, buyer can definitely ask for charge back.

But lost a charged back dispute doesnt mean the seller lost the case, and all item / money is gone. It just means that buyer keep item without paying. Something like a bounced cheque. So in this case, seller can proceed with court case to get back the money.

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