So MPhill is the "King" in academic world ad,right?haha.....is gonna mad if somebody get tat,probabbly should sacrifice most of the entertainment >.<
oh....so now i know why my cousin go for phd,bcoz i forgot that he told me he lazy go for work,then he just continue his education until now 29 without working b4 xD
Government will give allowance for phd candidates?everyone who pursuing their phd?or only some race

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Added on July 11, 2010, 7:55 pmwhat is his research about?
Aren't like master,which got research and go for class and exam to choose.....phd only study with research method right?

This post has been edited by crazylkm: Jul 11 2010, 07:55 PM

MPhil is the research degree for Masters...it's the inferior form of PhD....if a person gets that, all his hard work throughout the years would go to waste..

you have to apply for it...no one is going to give you money without effort...there are a few ways to do PhD:

1) self funded (only a fool would do that especially for PhD in overseas), still possible with local IPTA though..
2) Research grant funded - the PI pay you to do the research...but bear in mind that tuition fees are not included and the allowance is quite little..
3) fellowship and scholarship - this is the more common method of funding...almost all overseas PhD students are funded by scholarship..if not, your expenses could easily hit rm100k per year including tuition fee...

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Added on July 11, 2010, 8:03 pmhe's doing medical research on breast cancer...depends on universities and systems, some masters do not have classes, some have..

PhD in the US has classes and exams..that's why their PhD takes longer time to complete...and depending on how you fair in the exam, you could do PhD if you score well and only masters if you didn't do so good...it's 2+1 years (Masters) and 2+3 years (PhD) system...

This post has been edited by highwind85: Jul 11 2010, 08:03 PM

Yeah. He's getting his PhD at an age when I got my Masters!

He's super-smart though. Got really, REALLY good results after finishing his degree with 1st class honors. Then joined the PhD programme straight after that.

Yeah...doing a PhD straight with 1st class does save you a few years...but to graduate at 25 is really impressive...

I really would like to meet someone who can fund their own PhD studies! Needless to say, everyone here on the PhD programme here in Monash is obviously on some form of scholarship. Our tuition fees is around RM90k over 3 years.

All this talk about getting MPhil after 3 years is giving me the jitters already, I probably should not be post here so often and get back to my research!

Eh studying in Monash got scholarship?

Isnt Monash private uni and they are out on making money? If giving u scholarship it defeat the purpose or their instituion...to make money... wonder what they thinking

Haha...there are people that fund their studies...in IPTA of course...tuition fees in UKM is rm2000+ per semester...other IPTAs are roughly the same...
But i agree with you...My fees are AU$28k per year and projected living cost is AU$22k per year...it would really be nuts to sponsor my own studies...

Haha...don't be too worry about the MPhil thingy..it's just what written on paper...so far i have never seen one...most of the time, if your project isn't getting much progress, the supervisory panel would have already advised you to change from PhD to MPhil...so don't worry to much...

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Added on July 11, 2010, 8:29 pmpostgraduate programs aren't like undergraduate programs...it might be true that monash or any other IPTS milk their student dry..
but postgraduate programs especially research programs, they have research grants...some funds comes from MOSTI and other sources...and to make sure there are future fundings, the university needs people to work on projects...thus scholarships for research students..
this is the case for most of the universities around the work..getting a student to work on the project is far cheaper than hiring a postdoc to do it..

This post has been edited by highwind85: Jul 11 2010, 08:29 PM

i c.. so MOSTI and other agency also fund private unis.. I thought they only fund public cuz private already rich

What highwind said.

Also, PhD students form a very small fraction of the student population. Pretty much almost all of the money making is from the undergraduates, so you could say I'm only recovering what was spent on my earlier education there. haha

Oooo....

Phd is small fraction? how about masters?

So how is the post grad lab like in Monash? How many students will usually be under the prof/lecturer?

How the life of postgrad in Monash? Like u guys have progress report or any other activities?

Share share.. hehe.. interested to know cuz i think private shud be better than public.. public lecturer all pigs only know how to minum kopi

haha...lol-ed at the pig part..i agree that some of the lecturers are lazy...however public universities still has more funding than IPTS...especially the Big Four...
Not sure about other fields, but for engineering, physic, bio fields, public universities are better equipped...DNA sequencers, Mass spectrometer are not cheap...

yup.. thats why wonder how different is private and public uni in postgrad studies

Haha, of course small fraction la. A lot of people prefer to go out to work after 12 - 13 years of studying.

For Masters, I can only speak for the School of IT. There's actually less Masters students than in the PhD programme for reasons I won't reveal publicly.

Regarding postgrad life in Monash, I suppose its no different that postgrad life anywhere else. A lot boils down to who your supervisor is. Some of them have tons of students under them and no time. Some have only a couple of students. Some demand weekly progress reports, and some don't see you more than once a month.

Yes, I know the public's perception about private institutes being "better". But again, like highwind said, public institutes are definitely better funded. Monash's campus here is only 1 branch out of 10. Another one is in South Africa (the students there actually started and finished a week early cause of the World Cup, by the way!), and the rest is in Melbourne. With 8 out of 10 branches over there, they have more funds, and hence, better equipment. All of our LHC colliders and perpetual motion machines can only be found in Melbourne. Haha

Choice of supervisor is also another issue we have to contend with. Over here, about half of our lecturers still haven't obtained their doctorate, so they aren't allow to supervise PhD students, no matter how experienced they are.

This post has been edited by VMSmith: Jul 11 2010, 09:37 PM

ah.. means to study phd in our monash will have less supervisor choice?? then supervisor ma burden wif students cuz not enuff...


then if dont have the equipments how do u guys cary on wif the research?

That's where IPTAs have a chance get a source of income...DNA sequencers, Electron microscopes, mass specs all are services to public...they charge non-affiliated organizations more expensive...
as for monash, maybe they can use those in melbourne campus? especially those not available anywhere in malaysia..

Again, I can only speak for the School of IT. When it comes to the more...popular schools like Business or Engineering, they have a much larger pool of qualified supervisors to choose from.

But yes, I was pretty much limited to a certain few topics to choose from, as compared to if I do my PhD in Melbourne. Their IT schools are more established.

Haha, just because I said public unis are better funded doesn't mean we have NO equipment. Besides, since I'm in the IT field, all we need is a decent computer, a good net connection and enough TV series to last for 3 years.

Regarding your question about the post grad labs, each school has its own post grad lab, there's no central lab. Our IT lab is mostly cubicles and computers. What little I've seen of the engineering lab gives me the impression that it's adequate to conduct research, but not wholly impressive.

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Added on July 11, 2010, 10:10 pmErm... I'm not certain about this one. There are *some* students that have different supervisors from different campus branches, but as far as I know, anyone doing research locally has to do it locally. I could be wrong though.

This post has been edited by VMSmith: Jul 11 2010, 10:10 PM

hmm..i also don't know...more advanced stuffs like particle accelerators...
the usual practise from IPTAs are to do attachment to labs in overseas with such equipment and knowledge...but have to source own funding to make it possible...
if it's just the results needed, they will send the samples and wait the results without going overseas..

That sounds like a reasonable arragement.

The reason why I have doubts this happens for our Malaysian campus is how our scholarships work (please bear with me for a while. .

Even though someone has secured a scholarship for the PhD. programme here, they cannot transfer over to any other campus and still maintain that scholarship. They will have to re-apply for it. So that makes me assume that the Monash education policy is for each campus to be as research-independent as possible, at least in terms of money and resources.

I'm sure this must be covered in some terms and conditions somewhere, just that I'm already neck-deep in enough trouble as it is.

Does this apply to Masters in overseas?
If you don't mind pm me the reason. I'm so curious about it...

And not many people will get phd and interview for work after that right?
Usually they will become lecturer or a researcher in certain Uni.
Some might be INVITED into company for their findings, too.

That what's I saw in my Uni. One of my lecturer quit his job here and get invited into company.

Sent a PM your way.

For "typical" corporate jobs, PhD grads are considered to be over-qualified. Though I've heard stories of people desperate enough to leave out their PhD qualification from their resume when looking for work, I've never met one personally.

Yea, usually they'll either go lecturing in academia, or do research for an external company. I know a couple of them who seem quite happy in British Telecommunications. I prefer to lecture, though.