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Ramjade
post Jan 29 2017, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 29 2017, 05:41 PM)
I intend to open for the purpose of transfer money from malaysia to singapore (for investment in sg). Currency conversion rates and service charge will be important factor.
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if you go down and deposit money yourself (max RM30k), you save min SGD60 when you are compare to the cheapest TT by banks. How I know? I counted. tongue.gif This is provided your transport fees going and coming back don't exceed RM200.

Cimb SG cannot be opened unless you already have a Singapore bank account over there as to to open it, Cimb SG requires you to make a one time transfer via FAST (SG version of IBFT) from an account under your own name.

To transfer money down
- Maybank MY > Maybank SG - max RM30k, pay RM10.60 (but still expensive compare to going down and deposit cash) can be done online
- Other banks > Cimb SG (save on agent fees of SGD10/20 per transaction) - still expensive

To transfer money back to Malaysia
- DBS
- Cimb

Both is free of charge,

Standard Chartered is expensive. Is only useful for their stock brokerage at SGD10/trade (free if you are a priority customer). DBS is like our Maybank here. You can find it almost anywhere. Branches/ATMs.


Hope this helps.

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post Jan 29 2017, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 29 2017, 06:11 PM)
So you are saying maybank my to maybank Sg isn't counted as TT ? Rm 10.60 isn't much cheaper than you travel down and deposit ? Why you say it is still more expensive ?

Service charge aside, maybe different banks conversion rate is different ? Maybe that's where banks hide their way of making money from you ?
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I based my calculations on this and the rate they displayed have been accurate (double check with bank's TT rate)
http://www.exchangerate.my/

My transport cost is <RM200 (but very close). For this discussion, make it RM200. If your transport cost is higher, then you need to count again and see if it's worth it to TT or go down. For me, because my transport cost is RM200, it's cheaper for me to down. This is based on the calculations that Maybank charges 3.16/3.17 exchange rate vs money changer at 3.12 (which is true if you go to Midvalley money changers)

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post Jan 29 2017, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 29 2017, 10:05 PM)
With a rm200 transport cost I assume u r not from Johor. Don't u have to factor in food n lodging as well, even if u take your time cost as Zero.
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I don't stay there. One day trip. Food? Buy few bread before hand. Only RM1. Buy some cucumbers as vege. If don't want to eat bread, can always buy economy rice. Only SGD2-3/meal. The RM200 already included in food. rclxms.gif
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post Jan 29 2017, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 29 2017, 10:29 PM)
Bros,... perhaps no need to count so much, so detailed... just make sure that you buy the correct dividend-paying counters, and when you received your first and second round divvy payouts, you would have covered all these costs,...
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Since I am so free now, not working, take the time to topup before I start working. Same time go jalan2 in Singapore (free unlimited rides on their MRT and bus - use it. Make full use of the SGD10 card)

QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 29 2017, 10:36 PM)
This trip to Sg to deposit sgd thing is too much of traveling for my liking.

Maybe we just have to factor in the costs of online bank transfer.

If we invest in a foreign fund in Malaysia, maybe the fund manager company will also use bank's rate to convert our ringgit purchase ? But there is a double conversion here in the Sg case, ringgit to sgd then usd.
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That's why I said, find the cheapest bank if travelling is not your cup of tea. What's wth the USD? Is straight MYR > SGD what.
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post Jan 30 2017, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 30 2017, 10:30 AM)
Take 3.16 compared to 3.12, and if you convert RM30k ( is it even convertible at midvalley?), then it will be a difference of RM1200.
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Yes. It can be done at Midvalley.

Money changer
(RM30k - RM200 (cost to go down SG))/3.12 = SGD9551.282

Bank
((RM30k - RM10.60 (TT fees))/3.16) - SGD10 or SGD20 (depending on the receiving bank charges)= SGD9480.32 or SGD9470.32

QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 30 2017, 02:27 PM)
Would you happen to be opening a stock trading account with them too?
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I am going to open a stock trading account with them. Whether I can get the savings account or not, it's not important as I already have 2 accounts in SG (DBS and Cimb. I wouldn't want to open so many account). For me, I must get the trading account to save cost.

SGD10/transaction vs DBS V at SGD18/transaction. That's SGD8 savings.

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 30 2017, 06:02 PM)
Im looking to do exactly that as i have a DBS account too. Im currently using Saxo capital but dividends from SG reits are subject to 17% withholding taxes under their custodian account. Please share your experience, will be much appreciated.
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If SCB online trading cannot open, I will use DBS V already. My DBS V is already open and ready to use.
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post Jan 30 2017, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(walkman660 @ Jan 30 2017, 06:45 PM)
bro , may i ask how long u receive those things from Maybank SG ? the officer told me that i need 1 month. you also apply at Maybank Malaysia right?
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Yes. Generally it's one month. However if face with problem, could be longer (like mine). The maybank people didn't know Poslaju returned it to them until I queried Maybank SG. ranting.gif So mine was resubmitted. bangwall.gif I do not know what's the current status.

Not all Maybank Malaysia can apply. Note that they increase the amount from SGD500 to SGD5000 to open. However after oepning, the SGD4500 can be removed.
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post Jan 30 2017, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(walkman660 @ Jan 30 2017, 08:45 PM)
why did the poslagu returned it to them? because when they send to your house u are away? i noticed that too on maybank.sg website , but then when when i apply for it, it is still $500 only (on 17/1/2017). for ur current situation ,  i think u better email or call to the maybank sg to check on ur current status
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Because of something about Singapore address not completed. Not sure if bank finding excuse. Already email Maybank SG. Had I not email them, I wouldn't have know what happen to my application. There's no news from Maybank Shah Alam at all. Let's see what happen now that it have been resend. Will email Maybank SG this Friday and see if the thing have arrived.
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QUOTE(walkman660 @ Jan 30 2017, 11:18 PM)
did u email them on ur application status within the 1 month of ur application? if yes , then perhaps i should email them on my application status , in case anything goes wrong
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Well you are welcome to email them if after 2 weeks no news but right now, give them extra time because of CNY.
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post Jan 31 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Jan 31 2017, 08:46 AM)
In my opinion, it is not much helpful, if you call Maybank Shah Alam branch, which is responsible in only sending the form to Singapore.

Once your application form was sent out from Maybank Shah Alam branch, it is no longer the responsibility of Maybank Shah Alam branch anymore. You have to directly liaise with Maybank Singapore HQ, on any matter related to the processing of your Maybank Singapore saving account.

It is best to call Maybank Singapore general contact number directly. It is not cheap to dial Singapore landline number, but you will get faster response from Maybank Singapore, than sending e-mail to them.
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I didn't call Maybank Shah Alam. I emailed Maybank SG. Maybank SG check with Battery Road then check with Maybank Shah Alam. I am perfectly fine with emails (saving cost here)

QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 31 2017, 08:50 AM)
wow, 1 month to open a saving accounts? thats bad service
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That's not bad service. For reasons:
1) You don't need to go down to Singaore at all
2) You can bypass SG govt requirement of working pass to open account

QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 31 2017, 09:09 AM)
so, they bully you because you are not able to go to SG and you do not have work permit/student pass? If this is the case, better they reject your application at the first place, rather for you to wait and wait for so long.

Is this the way they treasure their customer? I certainly do not think so!
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Is SG govt rule la. Anybody asking to open account must produce working pass/student pass unless you are a priority customer. doh.gif They also need to protect themselves what (their reputation as SEA financial hub) after you know what happen in SG involving xxdb.

With so much tightening, I am willing to wait 1 month for my account (even though I already have an account)

QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 31 2017, 10:31 AM)
wow, didnt now got people so patient. for me 1 month is very very long. opening an account should be within 1 working day. sending documents now can be by courier, which is next working day or e-mail which is instant.
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They don't use courier. They use normal post. For me the fastest was one of my account. Account approve. Within 1 week receive all the stuff needed. For maybank, I am sure, they need to investigate your background with Maybank MY. So one week for letter to arrive is perfectly fine for international airmail. Also, Singapore banks love their mail. Sort of security feature. Send you 1 letter containing username, 1 letter containing your password, 1 letter with your security device etc. It's their protocol. They won't send you those details via email.

If send everything in one letter, if one letter is compromise, all the login account details are compromised. Same thing with email. Email is the easiest to be compromise.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 31 2017, 11:19 AM)
Frankly,... I would also think that one-month is a bit long, but we have no choice now if we really wanted an account in Singapore. What do you plan to do with your Maybank Savings Account in Singapore ?

Like I kept saying earlier : hurry-up before they close the doors. Now the doors are being closed, but if we have patience, as in your goodself here, we can still open,... till the day BNM stops Maybank Msia from doing this. So,... I say this now : hurry-up before Maybank Msia stops doing this.

One more thing : if one intends to sue that Savings Account to invest, even if one has loads of money, one can still open JUST A CUSTODIAN ACCOUNT WITH AN RM TO SERVICE HIM/HER. NOT A CDP ACCOUNT.

Everything need to pass through that RM, with high minimum charges.

Please try to open a DBS Savings Account.
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Just submit the TIN only. Is not like one have any thing to hide. Why use custodian account? Just use Maybank KE trading account.

Not everyone got RM10k to park in SG not earning money (DBS saving account)

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 31 2017, 05:39 PM)
That's right - why use Custodian Account ? Buttttt,... even if you have lots of funds, you will MOST PROBABLY not be able to open a direct brokerage account with a CDP Number,.. except in some 'unique' situations,... sure you can talk now, that's because you've managed to open,...

By the way,... what is KE trading account - CDP or Custodian ??

Who asked you to park RM10K into DBS Savings Acct ? Just park whatever sufficient for servicing the Fall Below Fee while you build up your assets. When your assets are sufficiently large, then you start to fulfill the minimum amt requirement.

I've said the above many times.
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AFAIK, only DBS V let you have direct CDP account. Even for pre funded. According to the one who service me, DBS V will always open CDP account for the applicants. All foreigners who apply will get prefunded account. Only SGreans can get other type of account. It's against SG govt laws to give foreigners access to margin/leverage trading. Not sure if one can asked for it or not.

Maybank KE prefunded Custodian. If is not prefunded, its CDP.

That's what I am trying to ask you lots of time, no reply. Thanks finally got an answer. laugh.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 31 2017, 06:05 PM)
Looks like there is a lot of conflicting infos out there. Let's look at DBSV first :-

1) DBSV does not have custodian arrangements, hence, it is always CDP-based account.
2) I've been offered many times at very attractive loan rates for Margin Accounts, though I am not a Sporean by nationality.

Secondly, many other banks/brokerages do open CDP-based Accounts for a foreigner, not only DBSV. UOB-KayHian is one of them. There are lots of others,....

Maybank KE - many will go after the low brokerage arrangement. Such low brokerage charge transactions allow one to own shares via custodian-ship. If one wishes to own shares DIRECTLY, ie with a CDP Number, then the brokerage will be higher.
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Not sure le. Because I told the officer I don't want any margin/leverage account. She told us don't worry foreigner won't get that. Maybe it depend on how much you have??? confused.gif

Or maybe my level not yet reach sifu yet tongue.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 31 2017, 06:05 PM)
Looks like there is a lot of conflicting infos out there. Let's look at DBSV first :-

1) DBSV does not have custodian arrangements, hence, it is always CDP-based account.
2) I've been offered many times at very attractive loan rates for Margin Accounts, though I am not a Sporean by nationality.

Secondly, many other banks/brokerages do open CDP-based Accounts for a foreigner, not only DBSV. UOB-KayHian is one of them. There are lots of others,....

Maybank KE - many will go after the low brokerage arrangement. Such low brokerage charge transactions allow one to own shares via custodian-ship. If one wishes to own shares DIRECTLY, ie with a CDP Number, then the brokerage will be higher.
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Not sure le. Because I told the officer I don't want any margin/leverage account. She told us don't worry foreigner won't get that. Maybe it depend on how much you have??? confused.gif

Or maybe my level not yet reach sifu yet tongue.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 31 2017, 07:15 PM)
why if custodian account banks can offer lower rates? Any benefits to the banks if one opens custodian instead of CDP?
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Banks don't need to pay SGX certain amount of fees yearly (for SGX to keep the shares)
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post Feb 1 2017, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 1 2017, 12:35 PM)
Bro,....  :thumbsup:

Yes, learn SREITs and instruments of the SGX. .. With knowledge, comes confidence,... and higher chances of investing success,...

Hmm,... I'm not sure if having a local SCB Acct helps in opening a SG SCB Acct + Trading Acct,... perhaps you can try,... tell them that you have the JustOne Personal Acct., and that you would like to use SCB in Sgp too,...
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SCB is as good as gone case. Went to 3 branch (woodlands, battery road, mbfc) refuse to open for me just because I am a Malaysian. They told me MAS have tighten the rules in opening account ESPECIALLY AGAINST MALAYSIANS starting last year. The future looks dark for us if we want to open account in other country seeing that MAS has started to act against us.

You cannot open online trading account without a SA. vmad.gif I told them I don't need your SA, I just want the online trading account. Told me no.

Told me I still can qualify for a eSaver account if I have either one
1) UT with them SGD50k at 3% SC (some branch do not accept this)
2) Mortgage
3) Endowment plan SGD500/month for 5 years. Can only withdraw at 10th years. Expected returns 3% pa
SGD400/month for 10 years. Expected retuns 3.8% pa

I wonder if I can email MAS and complain that SCB did not let me open online trading account without a must for their SA. hmm.gif

QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 1 2017, 12:43 PM)
Forum bros,... another tip here :-

If yo have a DBS Savings Acct, use the DBS Remit facility from the websote to TT your funds back to yr Maybank Msia Savings Acct if you needed to use funds.

Try not to withdraw from the Maybank Msia ATM, because even though they said there is no charge, the exchange rate that Maybank Msia uses to convert your SGD into the MYR is higher than the exchange rate used by DBS when you TT funds back.

The DBS Remit facility has no fees and charges when you do TT back from Sgp to Msia. It's a great service, very fast,...

Please try to open a DBS Savings Account.
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Can use cimb SG (which I think is better than Maybank). Another way to transfer the money globally at cheap rate: Transferwise. Only drawback cannot transfer MY > SG but no problem with SG > MY.

QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Jan 30 2017, 06:02 PM)
Im looking to do exactly that as i have a DBS account too. Im currently using Saxo capital but dividends from SG reits are subject to 17% withholding taxes under their custodian account. Please share your experience, will be much appreciated.
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Is out of question. They refuse to open online trading account without the saving account. The sabing account is a must. sad.gif


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As we speak SGD is now at 3.135. sad.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 2 2017, 03:02 PM)
Sorry I don't know what is DBS. Could someone point me a link so that I can catch up with what you guys are talking about ?
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Here you go
http://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/default.page

Think of it as our Maybank (the amount of branches & atms) but is a SG bank.
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QUOTE(sainod @ Feb 2 2017, 03:21 PM)
DBS allows malaysian to open account?
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Well it's hard. You need to convince them why you need an account with them, And is not cheap. Need to maintain min SGD3k or they will start charging you SGD5/month.

There are people who kena rejected. All because MAS increase the difficulty to open account.

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Feb 2 2017, 06:28 PM)
Its another way of saying no to you. Like mentioned, all Singapore banks require a Singapore work permit or a SGP mailing address. Their government and our government are very strict now on allowing non working foreigners on opening an account there.
The only way of going around it is to buy their savings/insurance plans and that will ensure you be able to open an account there. However, there would be a need to commit to their said savings/insurance plan.

That will be the no 1 rejection reason. Banks just are not interested in maintaining such accounts because there are no profits for them. No profits for them means no point opening an account for you. I've come upon bankers who will tell you straight in the face that they are not interested in customers opening such accounts. So make sure you dont tell them this. laugh.gif
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Which is quite cheap and affordable but lousy return. Case point SCB.

brows.gif Same here. Will leave nothing inside my SG account.

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Feb 2 2017, 06:54 PM)
Everyone knows Singaporean banks offer shitty returns for savings/ fds. But do not promote what you are saying above as we do no want Singaporeans banks to buck everytime they see a Malaysian walking in to open an account. TBH, they really take out the red carpet for Indonesians  before this but the Indonesian government is trying hard to stop this by offering amnesty for all Indonesians to transfer all their funds back to Indonesia. So its even harder for Indonesians to open an account now in Singapore as they have to go through some stringent checks by Singapore authorities before being allowed to open accounts there as apparently the Singapore government has reached an agreement with their Indonesian counterparts regarding this issue.
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SCB told ms SGD500/month and ony get 3% pa for their insurance plan for 5 years ranting.gif puke.gif Told them straight in the face, no I am not interested in your insurance plan as insurance plans give miserable returns.

The power of government cooperation. bruce.gif Wonder if MAS and BNM will cooperate to prevent Malaysians from further opening account...

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