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TOMEI-R
post Jan 8 2017, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Ichitech @ Jan 7 2017, 11:57 PM)
Hi all,
First time on this thread and read thru the last 10 pages of the forum as some of them were quite old (<2013) which i presume outdated.  Quick question, can i
1) Open a SG bank account (Prefer  bank with Malaysia account too, e.g. OCBC, MAYBANK, CIMB etc) ?
2) If (1) is yes, what is the requirement ?
- Can i apply online ? I do not wish to fly to Singapore just to open an account
- Prefer bank with free annual fee as i don't think i will use the facility (ATM, Debit card etc) only use Internet Banking
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Read through the previous pages and you will find your answer. There are two banks mentioned.
1) Maybank

2) HSBC Premier.
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QUOTE(Ichitech @ Jan 7 2017, 11:57 PM)
Hi all,
First time on this thread and read thru the last 10 pages of the forum as some of them were quite old (<2013) which i presume outdated.  Quick question, can i
1) Open a SG bank account (Prefer  bank with Malaysia account too, e.g. OCBC, MAYBANK, CIMB etc) ?
2) If (1) is yes, what is the requirement ?
- Can i apply online ? I do not wish to fly to Singapore just to open an account
- Prefer bank with free annual fee as i don't think i will use the facility (ATM, Debit card etc) only use Internet Banking
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Opening account will require you to do it face or face unless you are loaded. Just take 2 days off. I use 2 days. Took night train. Came back the following day night train and reach KL in the morning (before 7).
1. Yes. But it's getting harder. Even maybank have tighten. Never hear any news from them. Will give them a call on Monday. sad.gif Standard Chartered, HSBC, Must be priority banking with them and priority customer with Singapore side as well. For Standard Chartered, you still have to go down as Malaysia will book appointment for you.

2. Usually banks in Singapore charge a fall below fees. Not annual fees like Malaysia. Requirement usually work permit/student visa from Singapore. That's the major road block. Requirement for HSBC and Standard Chartered = pockets must be loaded.
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With the introduction of 1.5% charged against the foreign currency amt notes being deposited into or withdrawn from the DBS MCA, things are not as attractive as before. We must go to the other banks which provide free service for currency notes being dep and withdrawn.
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 8 2017, 12:03 AM)
Apparently the Singapore Government are very strict laws on currency control and anti money laundering. It is very hard to open an account at Singapore now compared to many years ago. Yes if you did managed to open one, you are one very lucky man.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 8 2017, 03:41 AM)
With the introduction of 1.5% charged against the foreign currency amt notes being deposited into or withdrawn from the DBS MCA, things are not as attractive as before. We must go to the other banks which provide free service for currency notes being dep and withdrawn.
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OCBC & UOB have MCA. But they need min SGD5k or else there's a fall below fees. The question is whether you can open or not? hmm.gif Btw, do you keep the money below that amount and pay the penalty or just keep that amount there?

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 8 2017, 03:46 AM)
THANKS TO THE 1MDB EVENT !!!!!

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Agreed. sad.gif

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 8 2017, 03:41 AM)
With the introduction of 1.5% charged against the foreign currency amt notes being deposited into or withdrawn from the DBS MCA, things are not as attractive as before. We must go to the other banks which provide free service for currency notes being dep and withdrawn.
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Actually Hansel, we don't need other banks. Why? One can use Interactive Broker and exchange SGD > USD/ASX/HKD online and real time (people who have used that site claims their rates are better than money changer rates.)

Eg.
1. Deposit SGD into MCA > transfer money to IB in SGD (they accept SGD) > convert using IB exchange > buy Manulife US REITS from IB (they have access to SGX to).

2. Deposit SGD into MCA > transfer money to IB in SGD (they accept SGD) > convert using IB exchange > buy stocks from ASX.

Is this doable? But IB charges USD10/month unless you are an active trader. sad.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2017, 08:32 AM)
OCBC & UOB have MCA. But they need min SGD5k or else there's a fall below fees. The question is whether you can open or not? hmm.gif Btw, do you keep the money below that amount and pay the penalty or just keep that amount there?
Agreed.  sad.gif
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It rarely falls below in the last two years, because I've been converting out my RM into foreign currencies.

Edited : what do yo know abt UOB and OCBC being able to accept foreign currency notes over the counter ?

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what I did back in 2015 was to fly down to SG during MALAYSIA public holiday, eg: Malaysia Day, Thaipusam, Quran etc..then u can save on taking days off from work..also, now with many budget air, u can go down to SG with the earliest flight, and come back on the same day...opening an account should not take more than half a day.

in 2015, i managed to open an OCBC bank acc linked with trading acc, giving them the reason I want to trade with OCBC securities...

good luck guys...

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 8 2017, 09:04 AM)
It rarely falls below in the last two years, because I've been converting out my RM into foreign currencies.

Edited : what do yo know abt UOB and OCBC being able to accept foreign currency notes over the counter ?
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I think it would be doable since my uncle told me he went SIngapore, managed to exchange old currency notes with banks in Singapore for new currency. He didn't mention which currency. Another alternative is as below. V


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2017, 08:54 AM)
Actually Hansel, we don't need other banks. Why? One can use Interactive Broker and exchange SGD > USD/ASX/HKD online and real time (people who have used that site claims their rates are better than money changer rates.)

Eg.
1. Deposit SGD into MCA > transfer money to IB in SGD (they accept SGD) > convert using IB exchange > buy Manulife US REITS from IB (they have access to SGX to).

2. Deposit SGD into MCA > transfer money to IB in SGD (they accept SGD) > convert using IB exchange > buy stocks from ASX.

Is this doable? But IB charges USD10/month unless you are an active trader.  sad.gif
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To prevent IB from charging us the USD10, can use IB to buy S-REITS provided that the commission they earned is enough to offset the USD10/month. But I am not sure about whether the stocks will be under custodian account or under our own account.
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Bro Ram,... a few things needed to fine tune here in yr tactics with IB,.. can't write now,.. need to go change money !!!
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2017, 01:01 AM)

2. Usually banks in Singapore charge a fall below fees. Not annual fees like Malaysia. Requirement usually work permit/student visa from Singapore. That's the major road block. Requirement for HSBC and Standard Chartered = pockets must be loaded.
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I have to agree on that. There was once a Business Manager told me directly that they are not interested in opening an account for you if you are just planning to open an account with a few hundred dollar balance so that you can top up your Netts card and buy things online. doh.gif Sinkis are very 'direct' people.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 8 2017, 03:46 AM)
THANKS TO THE 1MDB EVENT !!!!!

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Not really lar bro. The Singapore government started implementing anti money laundering laws quite some time ago. Not really because of 1MDB. Anyway, Singapore is favorite hotspot for the Indonesian Chinese business people. They were depositing so much money in Singapore that the Indonesian government had to plead them to bring their money back to Indonesia by giving them clemency on tax evasion and money laundering. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Jan 8 2017, 09:10 AM)
what I did back in 2015 was to fly down to SG during MALAYSIA public holiday, eg: Malaysia Day, Thaipusam, Quran etc..then u can save on taking days off from work..also, now with many budget air, u can go down to SG with the earliest flight, and come back on the same day...opening an account should not take more than half a day.

in 2015, i managed to open an OCBC bank acc linked with trading acc, giving them the reason I want to trade with OCBC securities...

good luck guys...
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Its very different now. First thing they ask you if you want to open an account now is

1) Work Permit / Employment Pass

2) Singapore Residence Address.
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 8 2017, 03:51 PM)
I have to agree on that. There was once a Business Manager told me directly that they are not interested in opening an account for you if you are just planning to open an account with a few hundred dollar balance so that you can top up your Netts card and buy things online.  doh.gif  Sinkis are very 'direct' people.
Not really lar bro. The Singapore government started implementing anti money laundering laws quite some time ago. Not really because of 1MDB. Anyway, Singapore is favorite hotspot for the Indonesian Chinese business people. They were depositing so much money in Singapore that the Indonesian government had to plead them to bring their money back to Indonesia by giving them clemency on tax evasion and money laundering. laugh.gif
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I experienced that. I asked about account inactivity and the person attending to me ask me back this question, "For what you want to open account and keep it inactive?' I was shakehead.gif doh.gif

QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 8 2017, 03:53 PM)
Its very different now. First thing they ask you if you want to open an account now is

1) Work Permit / Employment Pass

2) Singapore Residence Address.
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Correction. They ask the following in order
1) Are you a Singaporean?
2) Are you working here?

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2017, 04:10 PM)
I experienced that. I asked about account inactivity and the person attending to me ask me back this question, "For what you want to open account and keep it inactive?' I was  shakehead.gif  doh.gif
Correction. They ask the following in order
1) Are you a Singaporean?
2) Are you working here?
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My version is after you told them you are a foreigner but not working here. laugh.gif

IMO most bank staffs in Singapore" die die follow SOP. Cannot corner corner like here." laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2017, 09:35 AM)
I think it would be doable since my uncle told me he went SIngapore, managed to exchange old currency notes with banks in Singapore for new currency. He didn't mention which currency. Another alternative is as below. V
To prevent IB from charging us the USD10, can use IB to buy S-REITS provided that the commission they earned is enough to offset the USD10/month. But I am not sure about whether the stocks will be under custodian account or under our own account.
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Bro,.. for IB, if you are able to bank in only SGD, to me,.. this is not good enough. I would prefer to have an account that can accept foreign currency notes in different currencies.

I would be quite positive that IB provides a custodian acct., and no CDP holding.

My questions for UOB and OCBC is more like : how much do they charge for OTC cash banking-in and withdrawal ?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 9 2017, 07:39 AM)
Bro,.. for IB, if you are able to bank in only SGD, to me,.. this is not good enough. I would prefer to have an account that can accept foreign currency notes in different currencies.

I would be quite positive that IB provides a custodian acct., and no CDP holding.

My questions for UOB and OCBC is more like : how much do they charge for OTC cash banking-in and withdrawal ?
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Bro, they offer instant real time exchange. So if you want USD, you can just exchange SGD > USD. IF you need SGD, just change over. No point hopping from one bank to another. Why? I believed this is just a sign of early things to come. If one bank can implement chanrges (DBS), what makes you think the other 2 won't follow? hmm.gif

Banks likes free money. So if they can charge customer with charges, I believed they will especially if their competitor start charging.

Fees for
UOB Global Currency Account
OCBC Global Currency Account

OCBC 1% for withdrawal and deposit.
UOB not sure.

More info:
https://forum.singaporeexpats.com/viewtopic.php?t=94836

Check out this reply by stiwi
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1. Standard Chartered Bank, you need to have World Partner status at least which according to official guidelines require S$50,000 or equivalent but at the branch I was told S$20k only. You have to apply for this status at the branch and it takes few days to process. Once processed, there is no need to maintain this amount, as they don't review it automatically. Cash FCY deposits / withdrawals are free of charge over the counter.


May not be relevant anymore as it's 2013. Now's 2017.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 9 2017, 08:03 AM)
Bro, they offer instant real time exchange. So if you want USD, you can just exchange SGD > USD. IF you need SGD, just change over. No point hopping from one bank to another. Why? I believed this is just a sign of early things to come. If one bank can implement chanrges (DBS), what makes you think the other 2 won't follow?  hmm.gif

Banks likes free money. So if they can charge customer with charges, I believed they will especially if their competitor start charging.

Fees for
UOB Global Currency Account
OCBC Global Currency Account

OCBC 1% for withdrawal and deposit.
UOB not sure.

More info:
https://forum.singaporeexpats.com/viewtopic.php?t=94836

Check out this reply by stiwi
May not be relevant anymore as it's 2013. Now's 2017.
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Bro,.. it's not abt exchanging,.. Exchanging will cause us to incur 'spread expense'.. I would prefer 'no-charge' direct bank-in in the currency that I preferred, hence, I control the spread... don't know if you understand or not. Hmm,... it's a bit hard to illustrate via a forum like this,... we seem to be talking in opposite directions. ...

Yes, banks will charge fees, but there are one or two banks now which are thinking of opening their doors to direct bank-in of notes without charges. They have not confirmed yet. Yes, I agree,...we try not to hop. But if we have limited capabilities in opening accounts, we have to hop. The moment we can open in one bank, then,...

UOB is expensive,... OCBC is expensive,...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 9 2017, 08:31 AM)
Bro,.. it's not abt exchanging,.. Exchanging will cause us to incur 'spread expense'.. I would prefer 'no-charge' direct bank-in in the currency that I preferred, hence, I control the spread... don't know if you understand or not. Hmm,... it's a bit hard to illustrate via a forum like this,... we seem to be talking in opposite directions. ...

Yes, banks will charge fees, but there are one or two banks now which are thinking of opening their doors to direct bank-in of notes without charges. They have not confirmed yet. Yes, I agree,...we try not to hop. But if we have limited capabilities in opening accounts, we have to hop. The moment we can open in one bank, then,...

UOB is expensive,... OCBC is expensive,...
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I understand about the spread. But if it can give better rates than Moneychanger (in SG/MY), it won't be much of a problem. Try asking AVFAN and rjb123 regarding the exchange rate. Is it worth it or not or is it better to direct bank in.

Do share with us what bank after you have tested. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2017, 09:35 AM)
I think it would be doable since my uncle told me he went SIngapore, managed to exchange old currency notes with banks in Singapore for new currency. He didn't mention which currency. Another alternative is as below. V
To prevent IB from charging us the USD10, can use IB to buy S-REITS provided that the commission they earned is enough to offset the USD10/month. But I am not sure about whether the stocks will be under custodian account or under our own account.
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i do not know much how IB works with SGX/SGD as i only dwell in USD/US stocks.

i wud think IB is custodian account for all, no indivdual.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 9 2017, 09:05 AM)
I understand about the spread. But if it can give better rates than Moneychanger (in SG/MY), it won't be much of a problem. Try asking AVFAN and rjb123 regarding the exchange rate. Is it worth it or not or is it better to direct bank in.

Do share with us what bank after you have tested.  smile.gif
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IB will accept the currencies USD or SGD when u bank into their account.

The question of exchange rates and spread arises only when u buy those currencies at YOUR bank with YOUR currency.

e.g. buying SGD with RM at msia banks will kill you as the spread now is like 2.2%.

buy USD with RM at local banks not too bad.

buying those currencies in SG will be much better, i would think.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 9 2017, 09:05 AM)
I understand about the spread. But if it can give better rates than Moneychanger (in SG/MY), it won't be much of a problem. Try asking AVFAN and rjb123 regarding the exchange rate. Is it worth it or not or is it better to direct bank in.

Do share with us what bank after you have tested.  smile.gif
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