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Hansel
post Sep 17 2015, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(myr.medinsurance @ Aug 16 2015, 01:06 PM)
Thank you for the info. Will let my dad know. It will be up to him to follow up on requirement and decide to proceed or not.

He has reached age to withdraw EPF but still keeps most of his money there.

If Zimbabwe levels of hyperinflation hits Malaysia (very, very unlikely), I can still rebound because I am young. It is the oldies that cannot take chances with their nest eggs.

You mentioning standard chartered trading account has jogged my mind back to end of 2013. I did consider Standard Chartered but did not find any examples of people who manage to open Standard Chartered bank account as non-resident in lowyat as opposed to DBS bank. Furthermore, I was a bit nervous about the fact that account is nominee account.

Since I am a small timer, may as well just go with DBS. Was caught out by how CDP is setup.

I remember I took the overnight KTM sleeper train to Singapore. It was RM 80 return for bunk.

You could arrive at early morning by sleeper, open account and take sleeper train back to KL. You don't even need to spend a night in Singapore.
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Good man,... bro,... rclxms.gif

I'm Hansel,.. not really active in this thread,.. just came across it today.

YES, just go with DBS, you can withdraw from almost anywhere when you are in Sgp, lots of ATMs all over the island. IF you have an acct with DBS Vickers, you can use the Cash Upfront facility to buy stocks. Minimum SGD 18 only, percentage I think around 0.18%. Lowest brokerage in Sgp, right ?

Recently, DBS has included Msia into its listing of banks where we can do an online TT to Malaysia, and there will be no fees for this TT. So you can move your money in and out without charges.

I would advise you to open a Maybank Singapore Acct too, then you would be able to convert RM into the SGD and TT to Maybank Singapore with only RM10.

Have you ever considered buying and holding SG REITs ?

This post has been edited by Hansel: Sep 17 2015, 12:30 PM
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post Sep 17 2015, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(orangbulu @ Sep 17 2015, 01:40 PM)
Yup DBS is the lowest by% at 0.18%, but there is a minimum charge of SGD 18. Stan chart does not have a minimum and charges 0.20%. Therefore if you use DBS you need at least SGD 9000 per trade to break even (both buying and selling). For me i am a small time trader ~ 2-3k SGD per trade so i went with Stan Chart
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Good analysis there,.. I never realized that we needed SGD9K to breakeven...

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post Sep 17 2015, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Qwister8 @ Sep 17 2015, 07:50 PM)
Hey Hansel,

Thanks for the info regards the TT - via Bank - ( bank rate ) isn't that bit expensive ?

Do we need to declare ? if any amount above 10kUSD  or something ? if not mistaken i listed on the BNM ruling. ( In / Out) per day limitation ?

I think any amount above 50k there will be slight check through the account.

If that's the case probably we could just partially credit our fund yet no exceeding 10k USD tongue.gif.
Btw were you guy's work in financial institute ? Hansel / orangbulu ?

You guys seems bit experience in placing share's , mind share me some sweet and candy smile.gif so that i enjoy aswell tongue.gif
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Hi Qwister,...

Well, that's the rate I've been using all this while.

YES, you need to declare that you do not have loans inside the country if you are going to select 'Investments' as the reason that you are sending your funds overseas. This is in the Form P.

If you going to use the reason of paying for a purchase, you need to show the invoice from the overseas supplier.

I am in the legal industry.

Hoped to be able to advise more in future,... smile.gif
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post Sep 17 2015, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(orangbulu @ Sep 17 2015, 08:15 PM)
I work in FMCG industry, Supply Chain/ operations work. 0 finance experience.

I bought some shares on SGX and did my research on the brokerages, therefore i can share my experience with you. Also I used to work in SG and majority of my money is in SG, which is why i know a bit about Singapore banking in general.

My personal opinion is that Bursa stocks are in general better than SGX. SGX probably only has 30-50 companies worth looking into. Too many penny shares from China. If i were living in Malaysia and want to diversify, I would buy US stocks instead.
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I invest into the SGX and into other foreign bourses too. I agree that we have to be careful of the penny stocks listed in the SGX,... should stay away from them.

I am an income investor, not so much of a trader. Do you know what is the biggest advantage of investing into SG dividend stocks compared to investing into dividend stocks in the Bursa, and into US mkts ?

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post Sep 18 2015, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Brandon323 @ Sep 18 2015, 12:06 AM)
Hi Hansel,

Do you know what is the max amount we can transfer if the purpose is for investment overseas? Must this payment be made to an investment brokerage account then? What about transfer to own account overseas and the purpose is for investment later? rclxub.gif
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Hi Brandon,... you have asked the million-dollar question. I really don't know. I have always 'ducked below' a certain cutoff amount and there has been no questions asked of me. I filled-in the Form P and submitted it together with my TT Form.

I wonder if anybody has had any experience with the financial authorities when they tried to TT out, say,... RM100K equivalent in one single TT Form ?


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post Sep 18 2015, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(orangbulu @ Sep 18 2015, 06:58 AM)
The reason I invest in SGX is that the majority of my wealth is in SG, and I do intend to settle down in SG for the long term.

I guess the advantage of SG stocks vs US stocks, is that dividends and capital gains are tax exempt. For US Stocks you pay 30% tax.

As for SG vs MY exchanges, i think that Singapore stocks derive a majority of their income from SEA/ Asia pacific, as they dont really have a domestic market, whereas for Malaysia, majority of their income is still from domestic markets. Do correct me if I am wrong on this. But like I said above, If i were living in Malaysia, i would have use US stocks to diversify instead of SG.

You guys give me way too much credit... im not a big time investor... just so happen to have a brokerage account in Singapore  sweat.gif
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That's right. The withholding tax !

As an income investor, I beg to differ on using US stocks to diversify instead of SG stocks. As someone who has experienced both types, I must say I more returns from and feel more comfortable with SG dividend stocks than US dividend stocks.

One thing I can see is that over the years, the SGD has always been on an appreciating trend against many currencies of the world (perhaps due to the fact that they use exchange rate to manage their policies and not interest rates).

On the other hand though the USD has appreciated significantly against the rest of the world currencies, we know what happened to the USD back in 2008 till 2010.

My experience tells me, till now, one cannot go wrong with the SGD.
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post Sep 18 2015, 12:27 PM

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Where do you guys put your idling SGD while awaiting for opportunities to go into the mkt ?
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post Sep 18 2015, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(orangbulu @ Sep 18 2015, 12:46 PM)
Non-fd method.  Open a standard chartered esaver account and ocbc 360 account. Both give "high" interest but the caveat is fresh funds only. Keep transferring between both accounts 1st day of the month. Can yield 1% Haha...
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Tq hairy,... notworthy.gif ... appreciated your replies. What about the new Sgp Gov't Securities called the Sgp Savings Bonds (SSB) ? Any experience with that ? Can we get if we bid ?
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post Sep 18 2015, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 18 2015, 12:58 PM)
saw the FAQ. it's says Singaporeans  sad.gif
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I see,... that door is closed to us then, even though we have local accounts inside Sgp. Tq for the clarification...
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post Sep 18 2015, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 18 2015, 01:02 PM)
1% per month or total of 1% per year? Big difference. 1% per month = 12% year.

Care to give example? So when I have a Singapore account, can do that. Hehe...
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Bro,... 12% only when the sky falls in Sgp,... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Sep 18 2015, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Cheeky @ Sep 18 2015, 01:19 PM)
Any advise on how to transfer large sums to Singapore account..say over the limit of 10,000usd.
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1) Transfer 5 times using Maybank2U online on five different days OR,.....tips >>>>>>>>> within the same day from 5 different accounts.

2) Transfer at one go using TT Form via a branch, fill-in Form P and provide whatever other documents they ask of you.

Try the second method and update us. It's more expensive and slower using the first method.

Edited : wrong calculation earlier.

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post Sep 18 2015, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Cheeky @ Sep 18 2015, 01:36 PM)
Would that trigger suspicion from Bank Negara? How about using money changers?
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I follow the law and I respect the courts. Maybank restricts one account from TT'ing out more than RM10K equivalent per day. Maybank does not restrict the number of direct accounts or related accounts that one has.

When was the last time you used money changers to do a TT ?
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post Sep 18 2015, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 18 2015, 01:45 PM)
According to Bank Negara, there is no capital control on funds for investment. Ie.

1. You can transfer whatever amount provided you have no loan in malaysia (1 housing loan is exempted)
2. If you have more than 1 loan, then your limit is RM1m per calender year

Having said that, the bank branches in malaysia usually do not check your TT against the above rule. Unless you transfer RM1m in 1 shot.

Some banks branches who do their jobs will ask. They will let you fill in a declaration form related to the above
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Great ! This answered a lot of questions. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 18 2015, 01:53 PM)
US$10k is small amount to BNM. Just sign the declaration form at the bank.

Which money changer still make TT transfer now ? Please PM me. Thanks man !
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Why PM you only ? I want to know also,.... biggrin.gif
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post Sep 18 2015, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(myr.medinsurance @ Sep 18 2015, 01:54 PM)
Curious whether Maybank SG allows you to open an account without being a Singaporean resident.

The only problem with SG REITs is if there is a rights issue, you can't subscribe to it because you cannot provide a Singapore address. Other than that, it beats the MY REITs by a mile. No withholding tax, large portfolio (economics of scale & diversification), international exposure and more variety.

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Who is keen on trying out the first sentence ? I will PM some simple steps, but the person must promise that he will update the results here in this forum.

Singapore address ?? You need to convince your pretty DBS Relationship Manager (RM) to let you use her apartment address. Or... tip : you can open a mailbox address with a mailbox supplier agency. You can provide the mailbox address to CDP as your local address for Rights subscription. Cost around $90 only per year.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 18 2015, 01:57 PM)
Because they cannot do the TT liao. So must be discreet... tongue.gif
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Yeah,.. I know that. Okay,.. PM me too,... biggrin.gif

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post Sep 18 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(orangbulu @ Sep 18 2015, 02:16 PM)
The steps is quite simple, go to both banks and open both accounts. Once its done, every first day of the month you just transfer money from one account to another, so that it "thinks"its fresh funds and you gain the bonus interest. Do keep in mind the minimum account balance to avoid the fall below fee.

Do note confuse trading accounts and CDP. Most Singapore banks are hesitant allow foreigners to just open savings account (i dont know why, probably because they cant earn money off you). To overcome this, you tell them you want to open a trading account. When you do this, they automatically have to open a savings account for you to fund your trading account with money to buy shares.

Some bank trading account needs CDP, which is used to store your shares. Some bank dont need CDP, and they act as a custodian to your shares. Again, CDP is not a factor here. The key is the trading account.
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You mentioned bonus interest,... so how much is the total interest, plus the bonus interest ?

Looks like times have changed a lot,... many years ago when I opened my savings accounts, the branch personnel did not tell me to open the trading accounts too. I had to put in extra effort to seek out the brokerage that offers the best rates, and then opened the accounts there.

But it's good also-lar if you have to open the trading account at the same time. After all, if you wished to buy SG REITs, you needed a trading account also.

I think if a bank does not require you to open a CDP account, it means your shares are kept under a nominee account, and not by CDP. That's what happened for private banking accounts in Sgp.

So,... if one opens a Savings Account with Maybank, then Maybank will impose that the person must open a trading acct with Maybank-Kim Eng Securities too ?

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Another advantage of having a Maybank Sgp Acct is if you are transferring amount s of RM10K and below via Maybank2U, the TT charge is only RM10, and not RM25.

An advantage of having a DBS Savings Acct is you can open a Multi-Currency Acct too and you can deposit foreign currency notes into the acct.. And withdraw too if they have stocks,... hard cash here.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 18 2015, 02:29 PM)
So you walk into DBS and SC and tell each of them that you want to open a trading account . After that you are all set. Am I right? What about TAC or something like that whenever you want to transfer money. Can they send it to the malaysian no?

In which order? OCBC > SC or SC > OCBC or the order is not important?
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Let me help. You can choose the second level security by using a small device that generates a security code for you as you are performing your transactions. You carry that device with you wherever you go. CDP has recently implemented this second-level security too. So, no need to worry about having a Sgp phone number.


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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 18 2015, 02:06 PM)
In my experience a few years ago where my trusted money changer still can do overseas transfer, their rate is more competitive than the banks. Banks are blood sucker which charges more.

My ex-money changer charges me 0.25% spread only. But they kena raided by BNM and stop the service. Now the company no more in the market. Maybe they have change name and location
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Fully-agreed with your first paragraph, the money-changers rates are better.

On the second para, did you give them a cheque to take money from your account for the TT purpose ? Or did you give them cash on the spot ?

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