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 Engine Oil Reviews, What engine oil have u used so far

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post Aug 7 2012, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 7 2012, 06:26 PM)
So do I... Since on my learning, Diesel engine need TBN 6-8, because diesel content sulfer compare to Petrol... Diesel engine oil content enough additive TBN to balance the Sulfer in diesel oil but Petrol noneed it... If use Diesel engine oil in Petrol Engine, you will get more useless TBN and I think it will harm the Petrol Engine... Correct me if I am wrong.
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So bro wunpeng, your magna M1 S710 engine oil that you are using having a TBN 9,is it a diesel engine oil? rclxub.gif

http://static.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-98...-1343728215.jpg, best part is under the performance column , there is this mercedes 228.1 , please open this link http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/228.1_en.html.. they are all diesel engine oil

amsoil xl http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/xlo.aspx , also TBN 9, so it must be a diesel motor oil too??

Caltex Havoline 10w-40 https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/PDSDeta...1&docFormat=PDF, having TBN 10.9...also hdeo??

Torco SR-1 5W-40 TBN 7.5 http://www.torcousa.com/technology/TDS_SR-1%20MotorOil.pdf


Added on August 7, 2012, 6:42 pm
QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 7 2012, 03:38 PM)
You are using Diesel Engine Specified Engine oil for your car? You car is Diesel engine or Petrol Engine?
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i am using on my 2006 camry and 2009 mitsu, my friends use it on panamera and wrx..

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post Aug 8 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 8 2012, 01:27 PM)
I think it is because it is a Multigrade Engine oil, so it need TBN content. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Comment on this monogred then http://www.ro-quip.com/Technical_Docs/Roya...or%20Oil_ps.pdf

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post Aug 8 2012, 08:23 PM

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Using cheap oil without understanding your engine requirement is dangerous. Understanding oil and your engine safe you money and trouble. TBN is mention in the datasheet, but again need to check the TAN no of the oil..Eg No point having a oil with TBN of 9 but TAN of 4. The oil cannot last long too.. Doing VOA and UOA is the best way out..
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post Aug 9 2012, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 9 2012, 05:43 PM)
Many of those people know nothing and never read the car manual either. So instead, I pick up the car manual and the manual said to use 10W30. Personally, I would rather trust the car manual than those people.
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This is one of the very strange things that I personally have no clue until recently.. My friends driving exora bold , in the manual stated 10w-30, but went to Proton SC , they use 10w-40..

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post Aug 14 2012, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 14 2012, 02:21 PM)
Assuming.....

Synthetic Base Oil last 100,000-km.

Additives last 10,000 km.

When do you change engine oil?

There is your answer as to which factor determines when to change engine oil
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again base on what data we can determine the additive life?in the western world avg 50,000 km OCI for diesel engine is very normal  (of course together with VOA & UOA), and many had recorded million miles without engine failure.


Added on August 14, 2012, 3:29 pm
QUOTE(sarjantulang @ Aug 14 2012, 02:16 PM)
as salam,
either 5000km,10000km,15000km or even 20000km OCI, all are depend on what type of base oil been use by manufacturer.....the rule is simple....the pure the base oil, the better the oil retain it fresh property...

also depend from where is the additive package come from??the good the additive package, the better the engine oil..
last time using synthetic blend one, i manage to get 17000km....so i sending the oil for UOA(via my sifu)....and the result was unbelievable...the oil still can be use actually, the VI not degrade so much, the TBN also in good number, the viscosity/grade is not degrade so much.... thumbup.gif
what are your engine oil base oil purity??  whistling.gif

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dear sarjantulang, you are right provided you have done the UOA, and data to back you up. If we can prolong the OCI, why not?? you can save some pocket money, and reduce the waste oil disposal which is also harmful to the mother nature.



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post Aug 14 2012, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 14 2012, 04:59 PM)
Here is real life fact.

In practically all real life situation, the lifespan of additives is almost ALWAYS much much shorter than Base Oil lifespan. In other word, the lifespan of Base Oil never comes into play when one determine OCI.

That is why one can actually recycle the Base Oil. Take the used engine oil and remove off all the impurities etc, you will still ended up with usable Base Oil. This is proof that Base Oil can last far far far longer than Additives.


Added on August 14, 2012, 4:04 pm

If I am not mistaken, what they did is run UOA and then top up the required additives. Again proving additives has far more influence on when you need to change engine oil, not type of base oil. Of course we are not talking about Cap Ayam brand oil.


Added on August 14, 2012, 4:06 pmsay

Not on Proton but on intercooled turbo charged diesel engine. Manual said 10,000-km but have occasionally went as far as 15,000-km (ya, engine was sluggish so really have to change) because no time to change. Engine still fine now at 200,000-km on odometer but to be fair, it's mainly for long distance driving. Of course using very good quality Mineral oil, no Cap Ayam brand.

That is why, based on our experience, we see no need for expensive Fully Synthetic. We strongly believe if one stick to manufacturer's OCI using good quality Mineral of correct grade/viscosity, there should be no problem. Not even the Protons. I don't know about the BMW or Ferrari because we never have those.
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Dear Optiplex, am very sure that no additive being added during the 50k OCI. Again when we talking about mineral and Cap Ayam, we also need to understand type of mineral base oil group..there are group I, II, II+ and III (UCBO = Group III also can be clasified as synthetic, today). Lets take Caltex Delo range as example, Delo 400 and Delo Silver SAE 15W/40 http://www.sjk.com.my/specifications/Delo400m.pdf & http://www.sjk.com.my/specifications/Delo_Silver_MG.pdf.

Delo 400 with famous Isosyn base oil http://www.parmanenergy.com/what-is-isosyn.html and Delo Silver with group I base oil.

This is not cap ayam, which model will protect your engine better?

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post Aug 15 2012, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(UbuntuClient @ Aug 15 2012, 10:36 AM)
Does anyone use this oil, Fast Power Oil?

Fast Power Oil

See the demo to believe. Bumiputra maker. FC is better. Got power and smooth engine.
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I even know who pack and manufacture for them.. at least 3 other company using this oil but different branding. smile.gif

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post Aug 15 2012, 10:08 PM

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Larger oil sump, a better base oil, balance additive package and good filtration do play their part for engine component protection and longer OCI.
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post Aug 17 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(wunpeng @ Aug 17 2012, 04:07 PM)
LUBRIZOL is quite common and most of the oil manufacture is using this company's additive... The Oil I am using now also using a lot of additive from LUBRIZOL.
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Infenium and afton also..

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post Aug 18 2012, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(ahfish7 @ Aug 18 2012, 01:37 AM)
hi buddies, wanna ask whether myvi engine (2009) can use 10W40 oil? tq
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Can, I think better use xxW-30

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post Aug 19 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(ahfish7 @ Aug 18 2012, 02:44 AM)
if perodua engine oil gold is 5W30, but not sure can buy from SC or not
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There are many good 5w30 oil out there , I personally tried petro Canada 5w30 on my Mitsubishi Grandis at it works pretty good.. Not forgetting Amsoil , royal purple, torco , liqui moly, pennzoil and many more..


Added on August 19, 2012, 11:38 pm
QUOTE(sg999 @ Aug 18 2012, 01:02 PM)
amsoil good for BLM?got help preserve better fuel economy?
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Amsoil is good oil.. For better fuel consumption look for ILSAC GF-5 certified motor oil, and you won't be wrong..


Added on August 19, 2012, 11:46 pmI will personally tried 0w-20 from petro Canada in October .. Sarjantulang please inform me when the goods is made available

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post Aug 20 2012, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(ahfish7 @ Aug 20 2012, 02:42 AM)
yup, but perodua oil only rm86, i think the brands u mentioned r more expensive right?
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Negotiate hard enough.. Maybe more or less the same.
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post Aug 22 2012, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 22 2012, 05:58 PM)
Assuming it's 5 liter pack, that translate to RM43 per liter.

On the other hand, the excellent Delo 400 15W40 works better in my car only cost RM11 per liter in 18 liter packing. I am a happy man.
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i think is only 4 liter bottle..

Try delo 400 in 200 liter drum, you will see much better price

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QUOTE(pumpman @ Aug 22 2012, 06:41 PM)
i think is only 4 liter bottle..

Try delo 400 in 200 liter drum, you will see much better price
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Errr blush.gif .. Share with many many NGV user.. Proven very good for NGV application..

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post Aug 23 2012, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Aug 23 2012, 02:45 PM)
0W30 is not for high performance car la bro, on NA is most best.
high performance like force induction can't use start with 0W oil.

Any reason why?



Added on August 23, 2012, 1:47 pm
haha. all belong to my boss.. XD.. 10W30 nowdays categorized as semi or mineral .. if sum1 come up 10W30 FS, he's the pioneer.
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really tongue.gif ?? take a look at this http://www.torcousa.com/1-pix-tal/products...acing-10w30.jpg , http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atm.aspx , http://lubricants.petro-canada.ca/resource...022&language=en , http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=4&pcid=21,


Added on August 23, 2012, 4:57 pm
QUOTE(joshuaa85 @ Aug 23 2012, 03:45 PM)
this is also one of marketing strategy in malaysia, or else you can't make any business.
i also can say that our malaysian is not so interesting to get more knowledge about engine oil

new japan car also flat teppet. but there is some other additive to reduce the valvetrain wear. of course ZDDP for flat teppet is essential. but API is more on EU. not for asian. but it's well known globally. sweat.gif

mine still stick on SM. no SN for me.
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API for EU.. blush.gif ACEA la...


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post Aug 23 2012, 09:32 PM

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Wow now talk about pump, I like that, that's my field :-)
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post Aug 24 2012, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 23 2012, 10:41 PM)
Ahh, got fren to talk to about progressive cavity and piston pumps biggrin.gif

Mostly use PC pumps with a constant fluid barrier so that we may extract delicious life giving methane gas.


Added on August 23, 2012, 9:53 pm

Not sure if there are online links to most of what I say.

Most of it was gleamed from discussions with boffins from the CEEFC, a few of my mates doing PhDs in ultralean combustion and hydrogen injected fuels and of course, experience from working with a lot of mechanical systems as my dayjob as an engineer. From pumps, grease, lubrication, fitting and programming, I do a little bit of everything.

Also the solution to all lubrication issues is super additive enhanced Krytox. Trust me this stuff is awesome. I use it for everything from firearms to door hinges. I sed they no make engine oil. sad.gif
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Sorry guys abit off topic, using PC pump for methane gas is something new to me. You are really rich!! Not every industry can afford Krytox and Kalrez, each tube of krytox grease cost RM 2300/800 gramme tube (i only keep one tube with me) and a 3" diameter klarez o-ring can cost more than a general 14" tyre. You really gain my respect sir notworthy.gif

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post Aug 24 2012, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 23 2012, 10:23 PM)
I think I already mentioned that the gerotor (PDP) oil pump due to its manufacturing tolerances may prefer a thickness of oil over others. But this generally depends on the design and many other considerations. A cheaper Gerotor with 4 teeth may need a significantly higher start up thickness to prevent premature wear than say a Nismo or Nitto oil pump with 12 teeth machined to 0.001" tolerance. I run a Tomei, so no issues biggrin.gif

Plus during start up there is very little flow of oil into the turbo. At cold cranking temperature even at 0W, oil is far too thick to get into the journals, that's why all journals have an internal reservoir that keeps oil from the last start up in the journal. This holds the turbo enough till the oil is heated up enough to get in.

That's why turbos have a mechanism (either water based cooling or turbo timers) to ensure the oil doesn't "cake" due to heat so that the next start up will be smooth.
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1 thou of tolerance is quite common for PDP to function properly. For turbocharge engine it requires more attention. As most of us know, the engine oil also function as heat removal, by using thinner oil, you are able to circulate more oil per min (not forgetting the restriction from oil filter and the small oil passage). Turbo will not function at low rpm(exhaust pressure dependent), but oil pump works as long as the engine is running, so when you install a turbo timer, actually you are making use of the engine oil to cool down the turbo. Using higher viscosity oil not only cause some drag on engine but also parasitic power loss from the oil pump. Just IMHO....


Added on August 24, 2012, 6:07 pm
QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 23 2012, 08:30 PM)
I could never understand why Proton say 10W30 is best for CFE engines. And not to use 5W30, 5W40, 5W50 which in my understanding, most likely to be Fully Synthetic. Anyone got an explanation for that?
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i know part of the story ..and was all happened during the engine R&D stage

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post Aug 24 2012, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 24 2012, 11:10 PM)
To cut short the story. So it's correct to assume Proton/Lotus actually wanted 10w30 and not 5w30?
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Not proton/lotus but somebody else in Malaysia which own the testing facilities ..technically 5w/30 can be use .

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post Aug 28 2012, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(xphr3ak @ Aug 27 2012, 01:37 PM)
The higher %sulphated ash is better or lower?
Guys, can u plz help to clarify on this.

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Hope this help http://www.amsoil.com/International/Docume...h-Talk_2011.pdf


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