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post May 25 2010, 03:17 AM, updated 15y ago

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I know Android is still a new thing in our country. Users who bought Android because they are either geeks, Linux gurus, adventurers, and explorers has passed. Now, Android is reaching a state where new users are following rather than doing their researches first. Credit goes to these people from the first group for making Android a known device and pull lots and lots of new members out of the iPoison and showed them a new adventure.


Now the new friends of ours try to speak the same language that we are speaking here. What we need to remember is, we had a tough journey in the beginning too - learning all the process and everything. If you say you rooted your device and it made your device look cool, they will start to immagine things. Things that you didn't even explain. Its a fact. I get these questions everyday. No joke.


To those who still don't have a clear picture, ROOT in our actual language means seniors, ancestors, or the point where everything starts. Without roots, plants will not grow, humans will not have kids, a system will not have an organization. That said, root is the top level of anything that has an organization. In Android, root is the top level of the directory. From root, the organization grows larger and you have folders, subfolders and files. Then what is ROOTING itself? Simple. Rooting refers to the process of obtaining the access to the root level. In Android, root level is not provided by default. There are many reasons for doing this. Among the most important reason is to block access to the paid applications directory. This prevents illegal distribution of the paid applications. That is why the controversy of whether root access should be granted by default or not is still being heavily discussed. However, in protecting root, we miss a whole lot of interesting stuff that can be done if we have root level directory. Once root access is obtained, the user can flash a custom recovery and even a custom ROM if the user knows how to compile one. This gives ultimate flexibility to the user to customize his device according to how he wants it to be. Obtaining root access has nothing to do with your device's performance and what not. It only gives you access to everywhere in the device.


In order to obtain ROOT, you need SUPERUSER permissions. Superuser, in a way, is the god of the device. He has permissions to do EVERYTHING to the device - even brick it. To obtain superuser is the real challenge which our Android gurus Cyanogen, PaulOBrien, koush and others spend endless hours to obtain it. Once superuser is obtained, you have the ultimate power of root and hence are able to literally do ANYTHING with the device. Superuser is the permission that allows root access. Once again, this has NOTHING to do with your phone's performance and what not.


FLASHING CUSTOM SOFTWARE is what most of the newbies are seeking for. This is what actually improves the performance of your phone. Custom software includes the Operating System, kernel and the ROM. Each of these are complimentary to one another and require each other to execute the commands and operate the device. If you were building a house, kernel would be its base, Operating system would be its pillars and ROM would be the roof. How solid is your base, pillar and roof determines how well your house will be built. The amount of current supplied, the frequency of the CPU, the governors available, total free RAM, overclocking, undervolting, optimization, bloatwares, modules, and a huge bunch of parameters determines the overall performance of the phone. THIS is the actual thing that you may want to adventure when playing in the Android hacking scene.


Then why do everyone keep saying "I root my device" instead of "I flashed a custom software on my device"?
Simple. Because you need to have root access before you can flash the custom software.


It is important to at least understand these basic terms before you start exploring the Android further. Hope this will clear up much of the confusion that is hovering around the Android community.

For further reading:
Rooting Explained + Top 5 Benefits Of Rooting Your Android Phone
Custom ROMs For Android Explained And Why You Want Them
credits to wiind for the links.


Regards,
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Note: This article was self written by me initially for LegenDroid Community. I am sharing it here to help the newbies better understand the exact terminologies in exploring Android. You may use any part of this article as guidance and use it as reference for the newbies. smile.gif

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post May 25 2010, 06:13 AM

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Great elaboration! thumbup.gif
This will make my work easily if somebody else asking me why does we need to do root or flashing custom ROM..
Just refer to this thread!!
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Thanks faridaizuddin smile.gif I was getting PMs with wrong questions and incorrect terms used everyday. In fact, sometimes twice a day. I was explaining the same thing over and over to different people, so I thought I'd just compile this in one page.

From now on, if people step into Android the first day, they can always refer to this thread first before asking questions.
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post May 25 2010, 02:28 PM

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To top up what Shahz has explained, I found two articles which describe the rooting and custom rom as well. rclxms.gif
Rooting Explained + Top 5 Benefits Of Rooting Your Android Phone
Custom ROMs For Android Explained And Why You Want Them
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Perfect. I think we have provided enough sources for the noobs already. I hope they at least take this initiative of reading before asking questions smile.gif
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post May 25 2010, 03:02 PM

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Thanks for the post. New user.
Hope more resource are posted along.
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post May 25 2010, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(wiind @ May 25 2010, 02:28 PM)
To top up what Shahz has explained, I found two articles which describe the rooting and custom rom as well.  rclxms.gif
Rooting Explained + Top 5 Benefits Of Rooting Your Android Phone
Custom ROMs For Android Explained And Why You Want Them
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QUOTE(shahz @ May 25 2010, 02:31 PM)
Perfect. I think we have provided enough sources for the noobs already. I hope they at least take this initiative of reading before asking questions smile.gif
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suggestion...

can TS update 1st post

include additional links, articles, pics, diagram etc.

& also give credits to particular user helping out as what wiind done here icon_rolleyes.gif
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nice explaination.. should PINNED to the Top.. thumbup.gif
itis Really helpful especially for those ANDROID NEWBIE.. to start up.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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nice info
but don think newbie will search for this thread and read it..they will straight away create new thread and ask what is root..then ciao
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post May 25 2010, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 25 2010, 04:01 PM)
nice info
but don think newbie will search for this thread and read it..they will straight away create new thread and ask what is root..then ciao
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That's normal bro..
They just wanna cramped up the server! Duwh.. doh.gif doh.gif
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post May 26 2010, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(RedDonut @ May 25 2010, 03:26 PM)
suggestion...

can TS update 1st post

include additional links, articles, pics, diagram etc.

& also give credits to particular user helping out as what wiind done here icon_rolleyes.gif
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Sure, I'll post up the links to the first post. The first post was not referred from anywhere. Its my own knowledge and I wrote every word of it happy.gif

QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 25 2010, 04:01 PM)
nice info
but don think newbie will search for this thread and read it..they will straight away create new thread and ask what is root..then ciao
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Thats why, to save all the trouble for you guys, bookmark this link. I don't think there are moderators around Android forum and I don't expect this thread to be stickied. If any noob just drops by with a noob question, show him this smile.gif I've also linked it inside the ultimate package thread which is sticky.
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post May 28 2010, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(shahz @ May 26 2010, 02:18 PM)
If any noob just drops by with a noob question, show him this smile.gif
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Hahahaha!
For sure bro!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post May 28 2010, 02:13 AM

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thanks bro, it is helpful for newbie like me =p
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post May 28 2010, 02:20 AM

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thanks shahz for providing such useful information. think after updating of froyo 2.2 OTA then only will root and flash it.
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QUOTE(basSist @ May 28 2010, 02:20 AM)
thanks shahz for providing such useful information. think after updating of froyo 2.2 OTA then only will root and flash it.
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Do u mean official update first and then? Flash what ROM anymore? Confusing here... blink.gif blink.gif
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THANX TS..good info for newbie like me..

X10 user here...heheh icon_question.gif
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thanks a million for this
keep up the good work

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QUOTE(huruhara @ May 28 2010, 09:43 AM)
THANX TS..good info for newbie like me..

X10 user here...heheh icon_question.gif
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I'm wondering your feeling right now to use it.. hmm.gif hmm.gif
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Just in time for the newbies who own recently released android phones!
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post May 29 2010, 11:28 AM

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for those WM user b4 this, rooting means H-SPL the phone too fyi.

btw, i'm moving out from WM and moving in to Android soon!!!!! waiting digi smart plan to have desire!! if the plan doesnt fit me, then nexus one is my cup of tea!
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QUOTE(billy_overheat @ May 29 2010, 11:28 AM)
for those WM user b4 this, rooting means H-SPL the phone too fyi.

btw, i'm moving out from WM and moving in to Android soon!!!!! waiting digi smart plan to have desire!! if the plan doesnt fit me, then nexus one is my cup of tea!
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I think digi will take time to have desire for their market..
Just go for Nexus One.. No regret.. nod.gif
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Hi,

Q1: rooting comes with risks..?

Q2: Now Desire is running on 2.1 Eclair. When Froyo is out, how to do the upgrade? Is it cumbersome like need to format harddisk 2 remove ols OS & then install new OS?

Noobie here blush.gif icon_question.gif notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 06:27 PM)
Hi,

Q1: rooting comes with risks..?

Q2: Now Desire is running on 2.1 Eclair. When Froyo is out, how to do the upgrade? Is it cumbersome like need to format harddisk 2 remove ols OS & then install new OS?

Noobie here  blush.gif  icon_question.gif  notworthy.gif
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1) when you root, by definition you voided your warranty. the rooting instructions are precise, so it's not hard to root.
2) you can wait for official htc update. It would be simple and painless. If you can't wait, then you can root and go custom rom
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thanks icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(ashburn98 @ Jun 5 2010, 06:55 PM)
1) when you root, by definition you voided your warranty.
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but if the defect is due to hardware (say defective parts like buttons)... rooting will void the warranty too?

thanx
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 07:03 PM)
thanks  icon_rolleyes.gif
hmm.gif

but if the defect is due to hardware (say defective parts like buttons)... rooting will void the warranty too?

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that is hardware...
hardware = hardware
rooting is related to software...
so rooting void warranty
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jun 5 2010, 07:14 PM)
that is hardware...
hardware = hardware
rooting is related to software...
so rooting void warranty
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please correct me if i'm wrong...

i totally understand with wat u said... rooting is related to software... it's kinda like gaining access 2 msconfig & regedit in windows (for example), rite?

and hardware is hardware... button is button.

... both r totally unrelated...

So, if the button on my HTC is faulty (due to manufacturing defects), SiS will still say the warranty of the whole device is void although we only do rooting?

It's like voiding the whole laptop's warranty by just formatting the hard drive?

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this one got to check with Sis because i also don't know. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 11:50 AM)
please correct me if i'm wrong...

i totally understand with wat u said... rooting is related to software... it's kinda like gaining access 2 msconfig & regedit in windows (for example), rite?

and hardware is hardware... button is button.

... both r totally unrelated...

So, if the button on my HTC is faulty (due to manufacturing defects), SiS will still say the warranty of the whole device is void although we only do rooting?

It's like voiding the whole laptop's warranty by just formatting the hard drive?

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Last time I used Touch Pro (wm) and sent to sis to allign the sliding keyboard (hardware). But they refused to do it coz I already hardspl (similar like root) my device.. hardspl got nothing to do with the missed allign keyboard but they kept giving unreasonable excuse.. hampeh punya sis
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QUOTE(pcboy @ Jun 5 2010, 08:27 PM)
Last time I used Touch Pro (wm) and sent to sis to allign the sliding keyboard (hardware). But they refused to do it coz I already hardspl (similar like root) my device..  hardspl got nothing to do with the missed allign keyboard but they kept giving unreasonable excuse.. hampeh punya sis
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oh no...

so it's confirmed tat rooting is killing the 24mths warranty of device doh.gif

thnx 4sharing...

so, weighing pro & cons... worth 2 root or not?

sigh...
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phone out of warranty only do lo if you scared..
Just rooted my G1 which is out of warranty already and loving it.. woot!
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Ok, to Desire users who are worried about rooting and stuff, please read this thread to the end so that you guys will have some idea on how to reverse the process:-
http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-desi...our-htc-desire/

The general rule of thumb is never ever send a rooted set for warranty claim. Unroot it first, then send. doh.gif

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QUOTE(cleave @ Jun 5 2010, 11:08 PM)
Ok, to Desire users who are worried about rooting and stuff, please read this thread to the end so that you guys will have some idea on how to reverse the process:-
http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-desi...our-htc-desire/

The general rule of thumb is never ever send a rooted set for warranty claim. Unroot it first, then send.  doh.gif
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but sometimes the problem like cannot boot up or similar problem cannot unroot it back right since u cannot do anything?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 5 2010, 09:15 PM)
but sometimes the problem like cannot boot up or similar problem cannot unroot it back right since u cannot do anything?
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tat's de risk involved...

say, if sumthng goes wrong n de phone got bricked...

i believe there must be solutions in such a technologically advanced era.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 10:00 PM)
tat's de risk involved...

say, if sumthng goes wrong n de phone got bricked...

i believe there must be solutions in such a technologically advanced era.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 5 2010, 09:15 PM)
but sometimes the problem like cannot boot up or similar problem cannot unroot it back right since u cannot do anything?
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Then you just have to take your chances and send it for warranty. Boot failure can be caused by so many things. If it's due to corrupted internal memory and the only fix is to get it replaced, how would they know whether your device is rooted or otherwise since any evidence storing it is non-functional? Should the boot failure is caused by some other things like a power glitch or the battery connector gone bad, you're unfortunately out of luck. Most probably you'll get charged for the servicing.

The bottom line is if you still have the chance of restoring the phone to its factory condition before sending it for warranty claim, then do it. Dont simply send in a rooted set and expect the manufacturer will keep their end of the deal. They wont and you cant blame them for that. In any case, the day that you decide to root your set should also be the day that you willingly waive all warranty support. You accept that after rooting, you'll never ever need any warranty claim from the phone manufacturer. If you want to root but still have that lingering doubt that someday you might need to send it for warranty, the best thing to do is not to root it.
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I'd claimed my Tattoo keypad due to peeling..
SiS didn't checked if I'd rooted or not which actually I rooted it already and flashing MoDaCo ROM!! tongue.gif tongue.gif
Because it's just a hardware.. Not software defected..
So, I think no problem if it's about hardware broke or what..

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wow, thanks for d useful info. i got more info today.
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QUOTE(lv1209 @ Jun 6 2010, 12:49 PM)
wow, thanks for d useful info. i got more info today.
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We as Android users always sharing opinion about this Open OS pros and cons..
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good job explaining androids terms...

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Glad you find it useful smile.gif To everyone who is worried about rooting, bear in mind, different companies have different policies against rooting your phone.

Motorola is strictly against rooting. If you root your phone, they don't want to see your face ever again. lol. Just an expression. Thats how tough their bootloader is locked smile.gif

HTC is averagely fine. I've sent rooted sets and they have accepted it without much problems since the problem wasn't related to the rooting.

ASUS? Its my favorite at the moment. They themselves asked me to root their device! happy.gif

Like I said, rooting has a whole lot of advantages, but it carries disadvantages too. Some companies just don't accept disadvantages at all. Others dare to take the challenge smile.gif
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Kudos for the TS, im exploring the possibility to root my wife's 2.1 eclair Galaxy 5 biggrin.gif


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Not a problem bro smile.gif Good luck. Do share with us if you get stuck anywhere happy.gif
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Does DHD comes with stock recovery mode (vol. down + Power Button) or is it only enabled once DHD has been rooted?

I have a friend who mentioned that all stock androids that comes out of the factory should be able to do stock recovery (method above). If not, the set is no good.

I would like to know if the above is true? I tried on mine but it doesn't not happen.

Thanks in advance for your guys advice...
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nice info TS... good job...
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im wondering bout the waranty void..waaaa
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Don't worry about that..How many times have you taken your phone for a warranty claim before? smile.gif
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lol dun play play. I just sent mine in after 1 month usage (problem came 2 days after purchase). But unrooting and returning to stock is easy if you understand what you're doing in the first place.
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well... one noob here. i got one question

i tired to root my x8.. but it jz hang at waiting for device there !!!

i dunno wat went wrong. i unmount sd card, turn on usb debug, install the superoneclick software. pressed root , it just hang there , and ends up not responding ... anyone can help me ?
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hI

Newbie here...with Android and Galaxy Tab. I had OS and Symbian before.

Anyway thank you very much for your details explanation. Good start for me.

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