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post May 31 2010, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(billy_overheat @ May 29 2010, 11:28 AM)
for those WM user b4 this, rooting means H-SPL the phone too fyi.

btw, i'm moving out from WM and moving in to Android soon!!!!! waiting digi smart plan to have desire!! if the plan doesnt fit me, then nexus one is my cup of tea!
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post Jun 5 2010, 06:27 PM

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Hi,

Q1: rooting comes with risks..?

Q2: Now Desire is running on 2.1 Eclair. When Froyo is out, how to do the upgrade? Is it cumbersome like need to format harddisk 2 remove ols OS & then install new OS?

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post Jun 5 2010, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 06:27 PM)
Hi,

Q1: rooting comes with risks..?

Q2: Now Desire is running on 2.1 Eclair. When Froyo is out, how to do the upgrade? Is it cumbersome like need to format harddisk 2 remove ols OS & then install new OS?

Noobie here  blush.gif  icon_question.gif  notworthy.gif
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1) when you root, by definition you voided your warranty. the rooting instructions are precise, so it's not hard to root.
2) you can wait for official htc update. It would be simple and painless. If you can't wait, then you can root and go custom rom
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post Jun 5 2010, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(ashburn98 @ Jun 5 2010, 06:55 PM)
1) when you root, by definition you voided your warranty.
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but if the defect is due to hardware (say defective parts like buttons)... rooting will void the warranty too?

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post Jun 5 2010, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 07:03 PM)
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but if the defect is due to hardware (say defective parts like buttons)... rooting will void the warranty too?

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that is hardware...
hardware = hardware
rooting is related to software...
so rooting void warranty
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post Jun 5 2010, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jun 5 2010, 07:14 PM)
that is hardware...
hardware = hardware
rooting is related to software...
so rooting void warranty
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please correct me if i'm wrong...

i totally understand with wat u said... rooting is related to software... it's kinda like gaining access 2 msconfig & regedit in windows (for example), rite?

and hardware is hardware... button is button.

... both r totally unrelated...

So, if the button on my HTC is faulty (due to manufacturing defects), SiS will still say the warranty of the whole device is void although we only do rooting?

It's like voiding the whole laptop's warranty by just formatting the hard drive?

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post Jun 5 2010, 07:57 PM

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this one got to check with Sis because i also don't know. tongue.gif
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post Jun 5 2010, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 11:50 AM)
please correct me if i'm wrong...

i totally understand with wat u said... rooting is related to software... it's kinda like gaining access 2 msconfig & regedit in windows (for example), rite?

and hardware is hardware... button is button.

... both r totally unrelated...

So, if the button on my HTC is faulty (due to manufacturing defects), SiS will still say the warranty of the whole device is void although we only do rooting?

It's like voiding the whole laptop's warranty by just formatting the hard drive?

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Last time I used Touch Pro (wm) and sent to sis to allign the sliding keyboard (hardware). But they refused to do it coz I already hardspl (similar like root) my device.. hardspl got nothing to do with the missed allign keyboard but they kept giving unreasonable excuse.. hampeh punya sis
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QUOTE(pcboy @ Jun 5 2010, 08:27 PM)
Last time I used Touch Pro (wm) and sent to sis to allign the sliding keyboard (hardware). But they refused to do it coz I already hardspl (similar like root) my device..  hardspl got nothing to do with the missed allign keyboard but they kept giving unreasonable excuse.. hampeh punya sis
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oh no...

so it's confirmed tat rooting is killing the 24mths warranty of device doh.gif

thnx 4sharing...

so, weighing pro & cons... worth 2 root or not?

sigh...
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phone out of warranty only do lo if you scared..
Just rooted my G1 which is out of warranty already and loving it.. woot!
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post Jun 5 2010, 09:08 PM

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Ok, to Desire users who are worried about rooting and stuff, please read this thread to the end so that you guys will have some idea on how to reverse the process:-
http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-desi...our-htc-desire/

The general rule of thumb is never ever send a rooted set for warranty claim. Unroot it first, then send. doh.gif

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QUOTE(cleave @ Jun 5 2010, 11:08 PM)
Ok, to Desire users who are worried about rooting and stuff, please read this thread to the end so that you guys will have some idea on how to reverse the process:-
http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-desi...our-htc-desire/

The general rule of thumb is never ever send a rooted set for warranty claim. Unroot it first, then send.  doh.gif
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but sometimes the problem like cannot boot up or similar problem cannot unroot it back right since u cannot do anything?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 5 2010, 09:15 PM)
but sometimes the problem like cannot boot up or similar problem cannot unroot it back right since u cannot do anything?
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tat's de risk involved...

say, if sumthng goes wrong n de phone got bricked...

i believe there must be solutions in such a technologically advanced era.. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 5 2010, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jun 5 2010, 10:00 PM)
tat's de risk involved...

say, if sumthng goes wrong n de phone got bricked...

i believe there must be solutions in such a technologically advanced era.. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 6 2010, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 5 2010, 09:15 PM)
but sometimes the problem like cannot boot up or similar problem cannot unroot it back right since u cannot do anything?
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Then you just have to take your chances and send it for warranty. Boot failure can be caused by so many things. If it's due to corrupted internal memory and the only fix is to get it replaced, how would they know whether your device is rooted or otherwise since any evidence storing it is non-functional? Should the boot failure is caused by some other things like a power glitch or the battery connector gone bad, you're unfortunately out of luck. Most probably you'll get charged for the servicing.

The bottom line is if you still have the chance of restoring the phone to its factory condition before sending it for warranty claim, then do it. Dont simply send in a rooted set and expect the manufacturer will keep their end of the deal. They wont and you cant blame them for that. In any case, the day that you decide to root your set should also be the day that you willingly waive all warranty support. You accept that after rooting, you'll never ever need any warranty claim from the phone manufacturer. If you want to root but still have that lingering doubt that someday you might need to send it for warranty, the best thing to do is not to root it.
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post Jun 6 2010, 01:25 AM

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I'd claimed my Tattoo keypad due to peeling..
SiS didn't checked if I'd rooted or not which actually I rooted it already and flashing MoDaCo ROM!! tongue.gif tongue.gif
Because it's just a hardware.. Not software defected..
So, I think no problem if it's about hardware broke or what..

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post Jun 6 2010, 12:49 PM

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wow, thanks for d useful info. i got more info today.
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post Jun 7 2010, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(lv1209 @ Jun 6 2010, 12:49 PM)
wow, thanks for d useful info. i got more info today.
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post Oct 5 2010, 10:56 AM

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good job explaining androids terms...

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post Oct 5 2010, 11:26 AM

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Glad you find it useful smile.gif To everyone who is worried about rooting, bear in mind, different companies have different policies against rooting your phone.

Motorola is strictly against rooting. If you root your phone, they don't want to see your face ever again. lol. Just an expression. Thats how tough their bootloader is locked smile.gif

HTC is averagely fine. I've sent rooted sets and they have accepted it without much problems since the problem wasn't related to the rooting.

ASUS? Its my favorite at the moment. They themselves asked me to root their device! happy.gif

Like I said, rooting has a whole lot of advantages, but it carries disadvantages too. Some companies just don't accept disadvantages at all. Others dare to take the challenge smile.gif

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