for some windows, have to make the grill open-able (not sure if this is the correct word), but of course the trouble would be finding the keys to it when you need it ... at least still able to escape in case emergency.

decided that i would do a simple french window for the front of my hse (without grills) but controlled opening. using tinted glass, but not tampered (as if they break also, they cant climb in)

for the back, i'l b usin norm plain window + grill....

thanks guys for your help & suggestion

asking the same opinion since i cant find the topic discuss

grill or securit film..in addition to house alarm..which is which peeps?

Straight go for laminated glass.....With house alarm maybe??But if install fixed glass instead of window when air cond spoil or no electricity how?

Get very thick Tempered glass > 12mm, and put in 3M security tint. Very strong... and VERY VERY Expensive also

I have a friend put in one pair of this setup think is 1' x 8' and cost him about 8k. All very very thick aluminum material.

if that the case, i advice the user to get a 6mm + 3mm laminated glass... much cheaper than 12mm + 3m security film but still strong enough to withstand few hits from a hammer.
my opinion : grille is not the best looking thing but it gives a "hard to break in" sign for thieves. normally "small thieves" would enter from ur roof instead of windows or door, a motion detector alarm would help. but when u are dealing with those kind of organzation / well planned "big thieves, basically nothing works on them. no matter how expensive ur alarm system ur thumb print lock or wat so ever (only to slow them down), they still manage to park their truck in ur car porch n start loading stuff...

btw, only stupid thieves would break a glass to get into a house...

Grill or no grill?

I think still need grill la coz you cant be closing your glass door 24hours. I opened my glass door most of the time to have air circulation.

you can opt for windows with a double window layout: i.e. openable at the buttom that you keep closed and tilt top part (say 1 foot 1 1/2) which you can open while noone can squeeze through the opening. so you wont need a grill if you air the place.

IMHO, for security, there are several things to consider.

Windows is one entry point, doors the other, some burglars come in through the roof and ceiling. Grill under the roof? I know that some people do that as well.

You need to secure all the points of possible entry.

Grills can be kicked in, happened to my parent's home. Unless you anchor it deep or weld it into steel bars embedded into the walls. Most people won't/don't do this. Its a house not a jail.

Another time, burglars came to my parents in broad daylight with a large lock cutter. Came in the front door.

Having a grill is a deterrent. Door grill can be sawed or pried open, happen to neighbor's place. I've seen a demo of a small saw sold in Mid Valley that the sales guy saw through several nails sideways like a hot knife through butter. Diamond blade or something.

Keep less valuables in the house, don't have a too fancy car, lesser target but also no guarantee.

Basically making it harder for them that's all. And buy some content insurance

i have 12mm tempered glass skylight for my kitchen...18' wide x 8' depth... FYI, my house isn't located in a guarded neighbourhood. normally they would enter from ur roof, just make u have at least 2 motion detectors (depends on how big is ur roof) inside ur roof.

anyhow, i would still go for grill even guarded area.

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Added on April 30, 2012, 1:28 amyou have the point, thumbs up for u.

This post has been edited by melvyn: Apr 30 2012, 01:28 AM

i actually intend to do this instead of a window, alternate solution to ugly grills,
planned to seal off the balcony and cover it up with glass.

will try to get some photos this week

Grills are the weakest form of security and gives you nothing but a false sense of security. Laminated glass is way way more resistance to force entry

here you go guys..
any idea how much this size of glass going to cost me?

This post has been edited by nitromx: May 1 2012, 09:33 PM


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I am using 12mm laminate glass with a rough dimension of 8' x 7' which is around RM3500 including installation. From GlassNetwork

For real strength with same thickness tempered glass is still better.

True that tempered glass has more strength than laminated but for home security purposes, I think you want laminated glass

this article i found explains it better than me -

Tempered glass is not designed to resist breaking. Instead, it is intended to prevent or minimize injury upon breaking by shattering into thousands of small, blunt pieces instead of razor-sharp shards. In terms of residential security, tempered glass is not ideal because it will break easily and with little noise. Laminated glass is harder to break than tempered because when impacted, the PVB layer remains inside the frame and the glass fragments stay adhered to this layer. This makes it difficult to break without a lot of noise and glass cutters will also not be able to cut it from the outside.

Read more: Tempered Glass vs. Laminated Glass for Residential Use | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_12150924_tempered...l#ixzz1tfZUjff8

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care to share some photos?

Here you go. Picture with existing encasement window. After removal of encasement window. And during install.

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Truth ...5MM+5MM normal laminated glass is strong enough to withstand hits from a hammer. it will break, but it won shatter and still in 1 piece. trust me, 5mm + 5mm laminated glass is strong enough!! if u wanted more, just get a 5mm normal glass + 5mm tempered glass laminated OR 5mm tempered + 5mm tempered laminated if budget allow.