FYI – Reliancehome quote – RM63psf (incl frame + window + tampered glass)
same thing, with jus norm glass – RM56psf. Isnt much diff right?

Yeah, my house has a nice design pattern so it doesn't that jaily. Just don't get those basic square ones

mind sharing a pic of what you meant? ive seen the horizontal, thin/slim grill, but somehow, still looks jaily to me......

if grill u put outside, they will take down ur grill 1st, sometime easily "unscrew" them if ur contractor did a lousy installation job, once take down ur house is left defend-less, the window can be cut, they won't necessary knock or hack it.

invisible grill doesn't works well with dsl as you can easier cut off the wire.
of course, you don't expect to attach 1 alarm sensor per wire right?

wow... 60 bulks psf? that's very expensive
anyhow, people will still get in even your house with alarm, grill or what so ever gadgets that you may put it
just need to be careful by keeping your valuables away. perhaps a home safe deposit box?

'oth parties are actually finding a solution for such a long time, until the INVISIBLE GRILLE™ been invented (which registered with WorldTrade copyright) to overcome the said issue.

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try this...anyway i'm not a sales person for this..but wish if i could afford it..cheers..

Depends on your budget - Grill will seriously affect the design but economically worth

Tempered glass is esthetically nice but is costly and not really securing. (Even 12mm thk tempered glass has the possibility to be broken with multiple knocks)

So, I would recommend you to go for grill if you have tight budget =)

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Tampered glass is nothing but just some BS by those glass vendor.

Consider this,... Tampered glass has been around for ages....and why now? because the new gen house owner nowaday want "nice" look and not the prison look.....

You have 2 option: Take a risk to have no grill at all or do the conventional grill. If you dont want to prison look, forget wrought iron because it look too beng! and BTW wrought have the highest margin ratio so vendor love to sell wrought iron. secondly many kids and owner cut themselves with wrought iron.

if you go with minimalist design drill ie horizontal with thinner size ie 1cmx3cm instead of just square one like 1.5cmx1.5cm.

those window frame that accomodate 10mm thickness are not cheap.

Just one question for those suggesting the no-grill approach. Do you feel secure at night if you leave the windows open for ventilation?

Having tempered glass + lamination film only helps when the windows are closed. When open, anybody can climb through the window easily.

Unless you say every night sleep with air-con on and windows closed

If I am not wrong, you do not need an alarm sensor per wire. You just need one for a window.

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Added on May 25, 2010, 8:49 pmWhen the tampered glass breaks, it shatters into pieces. The laminated glass do not shatter.



This post has been edited by T816B: May 25 2010, 08:49 PM

ok, so many replies... you can get in touch with those people:

UPWARDS SOLUTION SDN. BHD
18, JALAN PERUSAHAAN 3
OFF JALAN KOLEY, TAMAN JINMA
43300 SERI KEMBANGAN SELANGOR D.E.
Malaysia

Jeffrey Foong
Tel: 0389480469
Fax: 0389414458

you need really good frames and yes, you better get safety glass + security film + another layer of safety glass + laminate film. (this is how bullet proof glass is made... layers of film between the glass). it's really pretty safe - probably as good as a normal grill and you cant just saw. you need a big hammer (like 2kg+) and it will make a huge noise. no chance of a hush hush break and enter. if you combine it with motion sensors before the windows i'd think it's a safer + nicer option.

the people who did mine (not upwards but the installation was done by idiots so i wont recommend them to anyone, upwards was recommended by AUBI in Germany to rectify the issues we had with our system) showed me how tough the glass is. tried it myself.... you really need to make several good and heavy swings. otherwise the best you can do is crack the outer glass. anyway your frame must be able to hold the heavy glass and also it should be multi-point burgler proof frames closing all around. germany windows are fine i guess. ask around. price is high though.

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Added on May 25, 2010, 9:36 pmoh for ventilation you can make only the top say 20 cm openable and the rest fixed. that way you tilt.... only 10cm space -.... cant get in. cant open handle fully either. pretty good

This post has been edited by PJusa: May 25 2010, 09:36 PM

you do mean "tempered glass" right? i would never install "tampered glass" on my house windows.

mind sharing w me the price range so that i can roughly know how much we are talkin about here for the good frame/glass? thanks

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Added on May 26, 2010, 2:06 pmSorry, the quote given for Reliance is for "laminated" glass. tempered glass is my layman term

This post has been edited by kathlynn: May 26 2010, 02:06 PM

kathlynn,

this will depend on your window design and all. ours was custom design with burgler proof window frames + security glass (glass+security film+ burgler proof glas+tinted security film) + aubi handles and closing mechanism but nothing fancy with respect to window openings, used closed bottom and openable top as per our custom design. after very very hard negotiation (we didnt use upwards mind you) it was still almost 80 RM / sqft. it will however totally depend on what you choose. if you use more basic frames and less openable windowparts you can greatly reduce costs alo larger glass areas will cut costs. we got a lot of quotes for various qualities and the range was between 40 RM/sqft (lowest but really not good) and 160 RM / sqft (insane....). the installer we ended choosing was totally incompetent. if you decide to go for one, i can let you know whom to avoid like the plague as mentioned AUBI germany was very sorry about the poor job done and recommended to use upwards to solve our remaining problems. dont want to get to detailed here.

what you should make sure is that you have doubleglazed glass of some sort and get a finishing car-tint (we used raybarrier) that way the window will keep heat + noise out. this system is enough to keep the smaller differences in temperature here out of the house. also make sure the frames have double seal system (one for dust/noise and one for water). locking should be on side opposite the hinges and and the other two remaining sides with multi-point lock-system, pins must be mushroom headed (like the picture). burgler-proof window glass should follow this norm: DIN EN 356, class P 4 A, P3 should also be fine though. if you are really scared get P6 or higher, this means you need 30-70 hits with an axe to get an opening of 40cm size. if you use only one glass of burglar proof glass, place it inside, that way the normal glass breaks first wich can cause cuts more easily.
if you dont use security glass, then use anti-burgler glass. class A2 for normal security and if really scared B1 or B2 - security as for the security glass.

hope this helps.


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tampered glass with no grill...make sure 10mm and above

as far as i know it's all about the security class not mere thickness. if the glass doesnt meet the specs, thickness doesnt help you much.

thanks pjusa, this will be a great guide when i go huntin for windows!

Cutting the grill will make noise and it is not easy. Normally a thief will pry open the gate or cut the lock directly.

sigh. still undecided......

If you're undecided and you can afford it, then go for the nice windows with tempered glass + safety film.