See, the petition was used to show students support us and disagree with the policy. Those implementation, some are good but some are not. I cannot say I have to agree or disagree as those policies does not give impact to me personally.

Hence, the students who are affected will need to listen and think. Talking about far sighted, I see no reason students park along Jalan Dahlia when there is a new car park allocated. Students give reason that:

1) The road isn't tar. (But students drive 10 years old car also can survive. Even ride a 10 year old motor will come out in one piece. Just need to drive slow. Instead, students pile up at the CLC car park there and wait for parking. If cannot get parking, students go back and sleep. And when lecturer ask, students say cannot find parking and went back home. Is this a good attitutude from students. Students come late to class and expect parking to be there. They can go round and round in CLC car park for 30 Minutes but just do not want to go to the new car park. This shows that students only do things last minute. Even print exam slip. Monday 9am exam, monday 8am only print. If cannot print, find SRC. (speechless). If the car park is far, then if you go Jusco and park quite far, will you still walk?

I do agree with students questioning about the IT fees and I already ring this matter up to Prof.Zaharin. I ask for his justification based on the improvement in terms of IT facilities. Internet connection was really bad especially last semester. I told him, is this a "Multimedia" university. He was unable to answer as well. Then, I told him to at least do something before students do something.

The discussion set on Friday was for the management to show and present their justification. There are some problems identified in those implementation as well. And since most students are not affected (only June 2010) students, petition that students signed, only some can be used.

Hence, SRC and the Management have finally agreed that the Management will adress to the students. This is not to backward the policy or implementation but to explain only. As if the students who are affected does not agree and comply, then only SRC can fight for them. Students barely know about the implementation until SRC highlight this. If we want, we can sit back and do nothing. Why should we waste resources in the campaign.

I disagree that SRC has failed in the first meeting on Friday. In the meeting, we have highlighted problems and etc. Finally, the management agrees that SRC should be involved in decision making process. This is because, every time, SRC was not involved in decision making and those implementation does no pass thru us. All SRC is willing to resign on that day if our objective was not being achieved.

Now, we do not know what majority students think. However, I have explained this implementation to quite a number of students and I would say 80% of them seemed ok. I was shocked too...

SRC and students need to work together. I really do not think we should poison the students mind (those who are affected). Hope this answers..

I believe when you do survey you surely have a report then.
Publish it out to the public to view it then.. (transparency)

you only talk about current. What about future? Does your team look at it as well?
Current current current, but you guys miss out something important, future as well.
You solve problem now, but it will carry forward to future batch. How don you solve this as well?

1. Simple. Student wants a better facility.
Don't expect muddy or potholes road. Just look at the Kampar Utar fiasco.
It shows something.

Haha.. need 2 years and still can't answer?
Show you how does the management cares, no?
And as SRC, aren't you guys should be the one "demanding" since they "forced" to each and everyone to pay without getting our feedback? Where is the output? $$ keep entering but still giving crappy facilities.
If you guys are a responsible SRC, demand and show the spending and implementation to the student.
Transparency!


As SRC, you MUST look beyond and not scoped to "CURRENT". The same problem will appear again later on and SRC will keep saying the say thing. If you guys want to solve it, solve it once and for all. How does a low-middle family going to fork out 3k or more for a sem? Did you guys think of this? Mind you, most of us are using PTPTN and do you think it is enough to cover(minus food, rental, books) ??? Some of us does not want to burden our parents or from large family. Do you know that EDUCATION is GETTING EXPENSIVE nowadays in Malaysia for a so-call low class undergraduate studies???


Explain, which means the implementation will still go on regardless there is petition, which sums it up.

Which explain, Management did not see SRC as an important student voice


After so long SRC has been establish, now you know what SRC is, ain't? a little peanut.


So you guys still don't know what are the majority think?
Do you even have a proper campaign to begin with? What method did you use?
Did you publicize it widely and even using Bulletin Board, MMLS, distributing pamphlets in all the room, aggressive campaigning methods?

Just look at the facebook page, that shows you what the student thinks!
Even we that already graduated feels for what the current juniors facing.
Either you guys bucks up or SRC will be a crap mentality for most of us.

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: Nov 1 2010, 03:40 PM

see.. i am also not affected by the policies if u mean only June 2010 and onward intake students is affected. But this not a reason for you to cast off saying it will not affect your personally. I have sister entering soon, and i worry this policy might be a burden for her ! Students are still students.. If self is more important, then it will be a great idea to change Student Representative Council to Self Representative Council while still maintaining SRC logo

i cant help laughing u saying that 10 years old car and motor can survive going un-tar road. Of course, they will survive, even 50 years lorry can go through, why not a 10 years old car ? But car and lorry are not the same. Do you know that prolong un-tar road can caused alignment problem to your car ? and every 3 to 6 month you have to do alignment checkup, and it not cheap. And even old car need to do alignment unless you prefer dieing on road. The new parking lot and lecture hall is not near, not to mention un-sheltered. So if it rain, u expect us to walk on muddy soil and without umbrella ? There even report snake are discovered in that area BTW i am willing to park at Melaka Mall and walk all the way to jusco ! u know why ? at least melaka mall parking have a proper tar road

Maybe you never park at the new parking lot before. let set a challenge, u park your car in and out there for a or two month rain or shine. let see when you will start complaining how uncomfortable those new parking are ? If you done it and say it still comfortable, then i shall eat back my words and never bugged you on new parking again



so SRC want to take credit for highlighting those issues ? if SRC never inform and the policies is implemented without our knowledge, you can long kiss your post goodbye. Students will backlash you more compared to now. And dont hope coming back in the next election since involved src members will be blacklisted by fellow students. This phrase caught my utmost attention "If we want, we can sit back and do nothing. Why should we waste resources in the campaign.". I dont have to explain why, i think most will understand what the meaning hold !

what is SRC true objective ? Sunflower follow the sun, changing it position every hour or so ! What is SRC true stand ? One moment src say the policies is bad, the next it good. All of src will resign if our objective is not meet ? how could you give false declaration when we does not even know what your objective are ! You may say our objective is reached, but the policies will still be implemented ! lulzzzzzzzz

you also mention 80% of the students agreed. it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why, because you mention only June 2010 onward intake students are affected. It same as you and me, the new policies does not not affect you and me personally.

src and students need to work together, Personally the most time i see SRC members gather together is when election time. After that ..pofffff.. they magically disappear from public view

Thanks and sorry again for my harsh expression

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 1 2010, 03:50 PM

Hmm, I think I have to thank everyone here for your constructive viewpoint as it is important and good to highlight the things that both stevanistelrooy and vapeace. We need those ideas for us to move on.

Personally, before this, management does not even care about SRC. Thats what SRC campaign was all about. It was done aggressively to tell the management not to implement things without informing SRC and students.

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Added on November 1, 2010, 3:57 pmwhat I am asking is very simple. Students should attend the session with management and hear out first before jumping to conclusion...

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Nov 1 2010, 03:57 PM

so you used and manipulated students with these petitions, drama, etc just so that the management care about the SRC? way to go..

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Added on November 1, 2010, 3:59 pmand why SRC never think objectively first before rallying all the students, creating distress etc?

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Nov 1 2010, 03:59 PM

Nope, we presented the petition with a cause saying students disagree. but management said that they have not address this to students. Of course they disagree..

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Added on November 1, 2010, 4:01 pmmanagement admit was their fault not to properly inform students.. and students effected we briefed in the orientation.

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Nov 1 2010, 04:01 PM

so SRC jumped the gun

the campaign was to tell the new students that there were an old policy before and they can compare..

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Added on November 1, 2010, 4:04 pmso, we didn't jump the gun.. we became the gun

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Nov 1 2010, 04:04 PM

so SRC became the gun and misfired? the campaign was not to tell the students, but to spead mass distress because it was not done in a proper way. and also, quoting from you, that campaign was all about wanting the management to care about the SRC. it's all clear, aint it?

a gun with no bullet is equal to src that have no firm stand.. i hope you realized this from the very beginning

do your know why management dont care about src ? maybe u can ask stevanistelrooy, during his time src was any significant at all ?

Was his term with Prof Zaharin or Gauth? But seriously, I appreciate the comments... a lot..

does it make any significant different anyway ?

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Added on November 1, 2010, 6:18 pmdoes src members willing to resign if objective is not fulfill ?

i think src original objective is for the new policies not to be implemented, so if the policies is implemnted no matter what..

the president own word say he and rest of src member will resign form the board ! as we all know a president is a student leader, one good example of a leader is man of their words. what they promised must be fulfilled. Mr president are you ready to resign ?

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 1 2010, 06:18 PM

If I fail... I am not afraid to do so..

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Added on November 2, 2010, 11:44 amand what did I promise and my objective is?

This post has been edited by gavinfernando: Nov 2 2010, 11:44 AM

I think the students are confused. They see SRC as prefects (siding with teachers; in this case, university) instead of siding with them.

It happened 10 years ago, it's still happening. Basically they're toothless because students dont care about them and since they dont really represent the majority of students, administrations dont care about them either. It's a vicious cycle.

I think it's common in private university. They just wanna get in, get a degree and get out.

this what i trying to highlight from the very beginning, SRC have no real objective. In laymen term, like a squid with no back bone,just following the flow or a headless chicken roaming around

you said things like "i will quit if my objective is not meet !" But what is your objective ? I even commented on you for giving false declaration when in fact clearly SRC never hold firm their own objective or don't even know what their own objective is . What is your objective ? Please tell me. I have asked countless time what is SRC objective in this issues ?

It is to prevent the new policies to be implemented ? or to support the new policies ? which is which ? And what did you promise to fellow students ?

this my own personal view, you promise fellow students you will fight to the end so the new policies will not be implemented, but now you say the new policies will be implemented for our own good ! So please enlighten me, what is your promise and objective ? How could you redirect the question to me when i not SRC members the first place I am the one in need of an answer not a question asked back to me

Thanks and sorry again for my harsh expression

BTW when and where the discussion will be held ?

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Added on November 2, 2010, 1:07 pmif their are toothless and dont represent the majority of students, is there a need of them the first place ?

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 2 2010, 01:07 PM

It's a catch-22 situation. If there's no unity among students through SRC then MMU is free to implement whatever they want - I'm sure you dont want that to happen.

this doesnt hold true in mmu where SRC is a proxy. so with or without SRC, no difference actually. maybe students just need their help in society and club matters students dont see SRC as prefects either. students are only putting expectations because SRC has been gungho about this whole thing and rallied the students, but unfortunately, the SRC has no objective nor stand and use students for own benefits. in other words, they are manipulating the students.

How many of u guys actually voted during the election?

I voted just for the saps point which my friend pull to but its just empty sweet promise from them...
a waste of human resource, energy, paper and cause a lot of inconvinience to the students