as far i know, src have been under criticism over the years by many student for not representing the student of MMU.

I partially agreed to this, because what i see are more action by src but lack of result, one good example, is the implementation of IT fee, despite been reduced from original amount, many students still dislike the idea of IT fee being implemented. There many reasons why, but i will not elaborate here as i assume most us know

I find it rather ironic when src campaign the agenda is to abolish IT Fee, not reduce although i quite pleased since the amount is reduced. What i trying to say is SRC must stick to their original goal and not compensate it for other reasons.

Now to the current agenda.. i am studying MMU melaka, although i heard about the campaign to against the new policies but most of friend never even heard about it. In fact, i only know about the campaign while entering MMU thread. Other than a simply flier sticked on the lift, posting at online application and creating of facebook protesting, i dont see much else about the so call campaign ! Where are the mass gathering to protest ? Where are more banner and petition ? Btw where do i sign the petition at melaka ? i think i not informed or know about it existence ! To put it easy, why src is not doing more ? Committee are elected because students are confident you are representing us, not for the sake enjoying a post

although i am a lone ranger now, i am still a student and i would like src to take more effort into this agenda and produce some good result for us to see. not some announcement we are sorry we unable to abolish the policies but we manage to reduce it again !

This post has been edited by vapeace: Oct 27 2010, 06:55 PM

proxy no proxy, they are elected for a reason ! That very reason is why they are elected ! Btw whre those sweet promises during campaign ? I have not see any ! Whre are the src member ? I dont see them campaigning holding banner against the policy ? Let not talk abt member, whre the president the 1st place ? Arent he suppose to be the head ? Even he is hardly in this thread, is this the example student leader ?

well well well.. src nvr fail to fail us again..

Thanks for reappearing after so long

how do you consider a student disagree ? It already a proven fact most of the student disapprove the new policies. Who would like to take 7 subject and faced a greater chances of failure ? Me ? You ? or everyone else ? Next on the agenda, Fixed payment policies.. let say i am under probation and only able to take 4 subject max.. or easier i fail one of the core subject, so i am unable to take the next subject because i fail the core.. so i have max 4 subjects, but i have to pay extra rm1000+ for nothing ? i wont mind if someone willing to sponsor the extra rm1k for me. There already a case, only dont have the man power to fight for the case

how the discussion going take a significant changes ? if MMU is already planned to go ahead, the current discussion is just a place to say "Hey, we are here not to negotiate, we are here just to inform you that we will go ahead with plan regardless you complain or not !" In my assumption, it safe to say, SRC already fail the first and most vital discussion, which is to convince them (MMU) that the policies is not beneficial to fellow students. This is not the first time such situation happen.
Please take a look back at the implementation of the IT fees.

MMU announce IT fees -> SRC go against -> Discussion with MMU and SRC -> discussion fail -> IT fee will be implemented -> MMU held discussion, IT fees will be implemented no matter what the excuse -> SRC ask for discount (at least SRC managed to achieve something )

i come to notice of the appeal letter by src, if i not mistaken
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B9CD3D...zFj&hl=en&pli=1

although most of the discussion and reasoning is valid, but what caught my attention the pie chart ! There no percentage of people agree and disagree. It is safe to assume, 80% disagree, 20% disagree ? or 70% disagree and 30% agree ? It may seem trivial, but bare in mind if 30% of the student of MMU agree.. That amount of student is enough for MMU admin to justified their new policies This just cross my mind, you mention src cannot fight as there no case and maybe majority of the student agreed to the new policies.. but your pie chart just proved it otherwise.

I at Melaka campus, where is the petition board ? i wish to sign it but i seem not able to find it anywhere. Yes i know u care about the student foremost and your priority. I still remember the polling day, you mention the same thing to all fellow students. But did you heard the phrase "sympathy alone earn beggar no money" it mean, feeling alone is not enough to give result !

I hope to hear good news from you and SRC soon. Regain the confidence of fellow students on SRC that have long diminish.
Last but not least, sorry for my harsh tone and aggressive nature.. i am feeling down at the moment

Great forgiveness for not understanding the situation as i was not informed and clearly uneducated for blaming something that i dont know.

it seem i am able to understand the fixed payment policies.. so what are the remaining policies justification by MMU ? Would you be kind enough to explain here no matter how complicated it is ?, so during the discussion.. we are able to get a brief idea on what it is ! than going there hearing to nonsense and their reasoning ?

Nevertheless, my stand on SRC fail the first and most vital discussion does not change ! I also mention back it rather ironic when SRC campaign something, then later change it stand after some negotiation ! Even when SRC finally agree to stand together with MMU on the policies, i believe it SRC duty to inform the students not MMU.
My stand is if MMU already planned to go ahead with the policies which is beneficial to students, then no use of such discussion as it will not make any changes and SRC could have save their time instead of campaigning, just give a notice.. we agree to the policies from the beginning.

you created the mess by telling how bad the policies it, cause panics among students and now you telling us.. The policies is actually beneficial to us ? Oh well, does it sound similar to how IT fees was clarified it beneficial to fellow students as MMU need to maintain it IT equipment for students benefits ? BTW, penta lab pc is crap, i hope src can do something about it since we are already paying for IT fees (at discounted price )

Thanks and sorry again for my harsh expression

1. no improvement.. i think penta lab pc is still from your time, P4 ftw

2. they open a new parking lot far away.. i think Chinese newspaper even come out saying the new parking lot is to far from campus

3. Dunno, gathering signature is fun

see.. i am also not affected by the policies if u mean only June 2010 and onward intake students is affected. But this not a reason for you to cast off saying it will not affect your personally. I have sister entering soon, and i worry this policy might be a burden for her ! Students are still students.. If self is more important, then it will be a great idea to change Student Representative Council to Self Representative Council while still maintaining SRC logo

i cant help laughing u saying that 10 years old car and motor can survive going un-tar road. Of course, they will survive, even 50 years lorry can go through, why not a 10 years old car ? But car and lorry are not the same. Do you know that prolong un-tar road can caused alignment problem to your car ? and every 3 to 6 month you have to do alignment checkup, and it not cheap. And even old car need to do alignment unless you prefer dieing on road. The new parking lot and lecture hall is not near, not to mention un-sheltered. So if it rain, u expect us to walk on muddy soil and without umbrella ? There even report snake are discovered in that area BTW i am willing to park at Melaka Mall and walk all the way to jusco ! u know why ? at least melaka mall parking have a proper tar road

Maybe you never park at the new parking lot before. let set a challenge, u park your car in and out there for a or two month rain or shine. let see when you will start complaining how uncomfortable those new parking are ? If you done it and say it still comfortable, then i shall eat back my words and never bugged you on new parking again



so SRC want to take credit for highlighting those issues ? if SRC never inform and the policies is implemented without our knowledge, you can long kiss your post goodbye. Students will backlash you more compared to now. And dont hope coming back in the next election since involved src members will be blacklisted by fellow students. This phrase caught my utmost attention "If we want, we can sit back and do nothing. Why should we waste resources in the campaign.". I dont have to explain why, i think most will understand what the meaning hold !

what is SRC true objective ? Sunflower follow the sun, changing it position every hour or so ! What is SRC true stand ? One moment src say the policies is bad, the next it good. All of src will resign if our objective is not meet ? how could you give false declaration when we does not even know what your objective are ! You may say our objective is reached, but the policies will still be implemented ! lulzzzzzzzz

you also mention 80% of the students agreed. it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why, because you mention only June 2010 onward intake students are affected. It same as you and me, the new policies does not not affect you and me personally.

src and students need to work together, Personally the most time i see SRC members gather together is when election time. After that ..pofffff.. they magically disappear from public view

Thanks and sorry again for my harsh expression

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 1 2010, 03:50 PM

a gun with no bullet is equal to src that have no firm stand.. i hope you realized this from the very beginning

do your know why management dont care about src ? maybe u can ask stevanistelrooy, during his time src was any significant at all ?

does it make any significant different anyway ?

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Added on November 1, 2010, 6:18 pmdoes src members willing to resign if objective is not fulfill ?

i think src original objective is for the new policies not to be implemented, so if the policies is implemnted no matter what..

the president own word say he and rest of src member will resign form the board ! as we all know a president is a student leader, one good example of a leader is man of their words. what they promised must be fulfilled. Mr president are you ready to resign ?

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 1 2010, 06:18 PM

this what i trying to highlight from the very beginning, SRC have no real objective. In laymen term, like a squid with no back bone,just following the flow or a headless chicken roaming around

you said things like "i will quit if my objective is not meet !" But what is your objective ? I even commented on you for giving false declaration when in fact clearly SRC never hold firm their own objective or don't even know what their own objective is . What is your objective ? Please tell me. I have asked countless time what is SRC objective in this issues ?

It is to prevent the new policies to be implemented ? or to support the new policies ? which is which ? And what did you promise to fellow students ?

this my own personal view, you promise fellow students you will fight to the end so the new policies will not be implemented, but now you say the new policies will be implemented for our own good ! So please enlighten me, what is your promise and objective ? How could you redirect the question to me when i not SRC members the first place I am the one in need of an answer not a question asked back to me

Thanks and sorry again for my harsh expression

BTW when and where the discussion will be held ?

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Added on November 2, 2010, 1:07 pmif their are toothless and dont represent the majority of students, is there a need of them the first place ?

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 2 2010, 01:07 PM

me dont vote anyone despite the saps point

because i dont feel they could not make a diff even they give sweet promises during campaign

Dear Mr president

I think you have yet to answer the question i posted earlier, i was asking what is src and your objective regarding the issues ? i dont seem to able to locate the answer in your reply

When you help a student, are they required to answer who did they vote for even if you asked (in case only) ? Yes, u won the presidency and you have your responsibility. but what i demand is the result of those responsibility ! You cannot go telling i am a president and i will do my responsibility as a president but nothing changes as time passed

You have been a member of the SRC, i think you are more aware of why students are not united the first place ! It both side, students like me that dont really care and SRC that dont really do much. Either side can do better, but SRC have the chance or opportunity to convince students to do better. As for now, i not really convince also given the current situation and what SRC is trying to do.

Thank you for liking people like me, but sorry to say i am STRAIGHT . Now i feel like participating in the next poll as a voter. If you are running for presidency again next term, may i know what are your track records and accomplishments as SRC president this term ? I just feel as a voter, i would like to know the person i voting for are capable in doing what they are able to do.

Thanks and sorry again for my harsh expression again

Dear Mr Farhan

I from the beginning express my disappointment when SRC dont have a clear and defined objective, which till now mr president have yet to give me an answer regarding it. Not to mention false declaration

MMU is a private university, not a public UNI.. We pay full our fees and expect facilities better than a public university. IF MMU cant provide it, then where the justification of higher fee compared to normal public university course ? it not spoiled, it called "making our every penny worth it" I also challenged the president to park his car at the new parking area for a month or two, if he agree it still ok, then i am sorry and shall eat back my words. His refusal to reply about, so i assuming he not up to the challenge

Should i apply that challenge to you too ? Being a senior longer than you should as you claimed, you must have know where is the best parking spots and times around campus. Sure it will not be challenge to you, right ?

I also ask where the improvement as mentioned in the implementation of IT fees ? There nothing to be shown ! Melaka network is still old as you claimed ( It almost 2 years since IT fee is started, freaking 2 years and NOTHING ?) Now where the money goes ? Internet improvement ? Dear Mr Farhan, have you try using the internet last sem in campus ? Great speed till youtube cant even load Tarik Fiber ? come melaka campus and show me new fiber line they just pull if you can find any

i also see your reply rather childish considering you a senior, you blast out your view but never consider about others. We live a plural society not singular, what convenient for you, may not be convenient to others. I been wondering are you in engineering course ? If yes, I am sure you are well aware of Engineering students got a higher chance to fail their subject compared to other students ? Fail and pass can be said is life or death for us considering how the next sem subject very much depend on what we take previous sem. We fail one important, we will be pushed back 1 or 2 sem regardless how you appeal since the subject is only offered once a trimester year.. That freaking 3 month or 6 month later. So your mindset of student just need to be average does not held true.. even it pass or fail and dean award, we consider it a life or death situation

Dear Mr President

so i see you have park at the new parking lot, so how was the place ? best spot to park your car ? i asking it sincerely although i already expected what answer you will give. BTW, i asking the objective regarding the new policies not when you elected as president. I dont need to know your objective as president it almost the same as the president before and before

i been itching to ask, have you wonder why not many turn up ? dont worry i among the 100 who turn up that day also, although it just a while. I think back during the IT fee, i can see almost no banner or publication in campus regarding the issues. At least, now i will congratulate SRC for at least having a pamphlet regarding the policies pasted in the lift ! Then again where the petition board in melaka campus ?

it not SRC is not good enough now, it already no good since last time. Senior told me SRC now and then, there no difference. They will just agree to what management told them.

so are you regretting your decision being SRC president, if you cant handle the pressure, there always the option to quit. It because we the students dont what to handle those tedious matter between management, SRC is born. If there none, is there a need for SRC the first place ?

But why park it at jalan dahlia ? because at least the road is tar-ed... you personally admit the new parking is not the best place to park. Yes i also admit, those are stupid individual who park their car at those spot. Even i dare not park there as i scare the bus will scratch my car. Then if want park at jalan dahlia, at least park at next to ep area or after MMU main gate

you admit doing the petition in melaka campus will boost greater students. Then why never go for melaka campus instead of cyber ? More students, more management will see ? or it some kind of plot to distress students and you didnt go for melaka campus because since the students there are more active, you scare your plan might backfired if were to go wrong like now ? Conspiracy theory indeed Nevermind that, i not interested in it anyway since the whole part of the show is already running with or without src.

MMU planned to go ahead with the policies and nothing we could do about it eventually. Dont ask us to give SRC a chances to prove itself, senior also been giving chances to SRC to prove itself. And yet even until they graduated, those chances are not utilized. Dont give the same excuse when src fight students disappear ! and i will just give the same reason why students are just not motivated to fight along side with src. It tiring repeating myself you know ? Read back again on my post why src fail in motivating more students and better campaigning plan.



It is a hint that there are more new policies coming ? Great.. i see, so there will be more chances for both SRC to prove or to humiliate itself again. We shall see about that. Dont say we dont offer the chance again. We will just wait and see since the current one is long gone. New policies will be implemented one way or another.

thanks for your comment, In engineering we label those useless as "noob". Sadly SRC have no N in it sign. Well senior have experience more than us..come on your are just 21 or 22 . they are over 25. Now you tell me who more experience.

Next on my agenda, i just received a great insider info ( i wont reveal it from who..). I think you will have some deep explanation to do regarding this

based on my info, circular regarding the new policies was already circulated among assistant lecturer and lecturer and possible among top src members (Which is you indirectly) very much earlier before the meeting before SRC and MMU (possible as early as last sem). It mean that SRC already knew about the policies beforehand. If i remember correctly, SRC only launch the campaign after MMU announced it plan to implement those policies. SRC is hiding a secret from the students and only launch it campaign after official announcement

MMU also knew beforehand, that SRC is going to launch a petition against it. When asked management already knew about it and very confident that the policies will get the green light even if SRC protest against it. I starting to personally think that SRC knew this will happen sooner or later, and they launch a campaign just to show that they at least did something. The meeting between SRC and MMU are just a play. MMU meeting with students is another play to announce the policies will get the go ahead regardless the protest

next the policies was already implemented even before SRC collect the petition against it. It mean that we are not informed about also. Few students are already refused refund although they are not 110XXXXXX ID which you claimed only will faced such policies. It also seem that even during the first week, when students want to drop their subject, they are also refused full refund. How could you miss such info and not tell it to anyone. Since i never drop any subject, i dont know such policies applied to us also. Where the transparency of SRC ? Now i would you to give a explanation wther 110XXXXXXX students only or everyone is affected by the policies ? I view this as a very serious matter !

Next, src are diverting the blame for the policies implementation to students for not giving supports and claiming the policies will be implemented because there no enough students against it. Wow great diversion technique I have to say SRC sure have planned their move very well. Kudos to SRC

Now this information can be true or not true but even it not true. It a very disturbing facts indeed to until it reaches my ears

Thank for your complements.. i will gladly accept it with my up most gratitude

anyway, what your clearly wrote also show that you think you can outsmart most of us and we are just to dumb to believe whatever you say. I dont mind giving false accusation and facts when clearly you are not try to prove me wrong nor at least try to debunk those rumors i created as you claimed. Mind you, i also spent entire day asking management regarding the policies and convincing people to give me more info about SRC action. I also spent another asking day fellow students wther they are affected by the policies. Do you think i will run stupidly into a battlefield without prior info ? i also personally go my faculty and my aa to ask regarding the policies.

Just to add the trouble i went through just to get those false info. And ya, i am very free. Experience by age does not count. True, but they have experience it before us and we are ought to seek help from them first. Or are you trying to tell seniors are useless in anyway possible ? If based on your view, look at Dr Mahathir. he the proud father of Modern Malaysia, and yet now he giving racist remark ? What those show ? He a old man whose doesn't know what he talking ? or He a person who dare voice out his views ?. I also found another perfect example, Bong Mokthar got a second wife even when initially court say it illegal ! So now he a old and kicking old man who love young women too ? Great country we have pedo in our top government position. BTW i am sure you wont like underage girls, right ? if yes that would be a huge problem

Oh the great language game again, dont you just learn your lesson with Adrian ho ? I have no interest in such game as it divert me from my objective to say SRC ways of handling students related matter is inefficient and down right useless. Then again, try to give me some facts and figure to show what i claimed is false, it wont hurt right ? i spent a day or two collecting them, i am sure your are able to do the same. In fact it might be a political boost to your career too, as you are able to fend off rumors and speculation. Killing two birds with one stone

frankly speaking, i also dont like to speak to you and thank you for calling me an eyesore. It been a long time since i was last called that. I also got better things to do seriously than to think on what to write and finding info and come here to ask and comment about it

Mr SMALL BULLION

i would like to ask where you learn about and who mention it to you ? Again Mr president, i am catching src tail not others. It clearly stated in all my comments

Mr Perfion

i see you just registered a day ago to voice your comment. Why never do so earlier so we can have more constructive discussion ? I have to gladly disagree with you on "Seniors need to stop poison juniors mind" They are not poisoning your mind, they are merely expressing their mind. It took them 4 to 5 years to see what SRC have done during their time, while i just spent 3+ years here, and yet i see nothing significant. Chances of me telling my junior the same thing are also almost the same as them. It up to you to believe it or not. I dont expect them to come personally to my room and inform me about it. Who would be that hardworking ? But it a good idea though, maybe SRC can look into it. They can considering it as interacting with students and gathering support which they clearly lack. How could we find information when we are not make aware of it ? Let say unless someone mention about the new policies, would you go initiate to find info about it ?

Ya there are many keyboard warrior like me. For your information, i also check bulletin board often, in fact i only came to know about the policies in forum lowyat and facebook when one email me the info. Maybe SRC can post at MMLS instead of Bulletin Board, More students will come aware of it. Regarding the petition flier, i am based on melaka campus, i sincerely dont or hardly see much of them. Even the flier i mentioned that was pasted in the lift was long gone while i am going for class. I want change but i want src to change first. You cant expect a sloppy leader to lead an organization, do you ?

Right from the beginning till now, i have mention SRC ways of handling student related issues are just inefficient and have cause distress instead. They are students like us but if they are willing to go for the posts then they should already know the consequence of such action will make toward their studies. I also will choose to play games then to think on what to write for almost an hour

Do let me ask this question, what did SRC did that we cant say anything about it ?

Thanks your for reading the walls of text, appreciate it, it took me almost and hour to write

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 8 2010, 12:14 AM

keep your cool man, Dealing with arrogant people is not be arrogant yourself

Mr president, did you just said you know about this policies since last sem ? How come most of us here are not aware of it ? i clearly check my bulletin board last sem but i dont see any announcement about it

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 8 2010, 12:24 AM

but your clearly claimed that it students fault for not checking it themselves, Therefore it not SRC job to inform everyone of us !

if you know earlier than most of us, then why never launch a petition as early as possible than wait for MMU official