Since the economy is recovering more and more companies is looking for employees~~~

As a degree holder, how much you get paid for you 1st job~~pls share so we have a roughly though in our mind and ofcouse to prevent the employer to cut down our salary~~~

1 of a MNC offer me 1.9k~~~>.< bit lower, but ther's still money for grab if i achieve target~~~

Starting salary should be around Rm2000, but it depends on your negotiation skills.

Not just depending on your negotiation skills, but depends on your line of work as well. My first job, I was earning RM 1900 basic + RM 300 allowance while working in a small BPO firm. 4 years after that period, I was earning 3.5k basic from another firm.

Now not earning anymore, completing my degree.

hmm i am offered a basic of 2k,,,

first job, 2.2k basic, telecommunication, engineering, local company

2.7k fresh grad in semicon industry, engineering , a mnc

2.7k i think if u get a job from big and well known company.a small company only offer around 2k

should include which state also...
cause different state have different salary range.

haha..yea bro you are right..i consider myself extremely lucky for getting the offer from them...

Opps~~~state--->K.L.
Wondering i could survive or not becoz KL living standard is relatively high~~~

2K basic for graduate engineer in Selangor ok mou?

i think can get 2.5k in ipoh as engineer at semicon

Nothing depends on ur negotiation skills. As a fresh grad YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY NEGOTIATION POWER as you have little to no skill to offer.

Fresh grad salary can range from RM1.6 (lowest end for degree holder and it sux) to RM3.5k excluding allowances etc..

Is it politically correct to ask how much a local vs foreign graduate, local private vs local public graduate earn?

How do we qualify whether a local public first class graduate is better than a private university with a second class?

I have a friend with a second class lower working in a bank, earning a lot more than his own peer with higher qualification.

ok, let me furhter update mine then.
MMU, second lower, telecommunication, engineering, local company, offered basic 2.2k, after confirmation 2.4k but probably will be leaving to another MNC soon
some how, semicon have better offer than telco, especially those in penang. I'm from penang myself, but i wanted to masuk telco so have to stuck in central region.

OK here's the misconception that fresh overseas graduate tend to see.

For any fresh graduates the starting salary is generally the same.

You being selected for an interview is determined by your resume, hence where you graduated from, your cgpa, your course, curricular activities and so on. Graduates from an unknown university, bad cpga, non involved e.t.c will less likely get selected for an interview.

So you could say that an overseas graduate will get invited to more interviews BUT their starting salary is the same. They will also have better choices of employees and a brighter prospect of joining Big MNC's compared to local graduates. But that is it, once you come to the interview you are on the same playing field like any other candidates that were also invited.

Certain companies do offer different packages for local and overseas graduates, though not so appareant, difference may range from 100 to 300. Not a big amount, but after 1 year, you can see the difference. I kena before. Seriously, pissed off, and rejected the offer straight away with the stereotype.

I started off with 2k basic, then after a few months, increased to 2250. After 10 months, 2500. Now, well, i'm on a contractual basis now. I've asked a few fresh grads, or those that are younger than me by 1 year how was their starting off salary. It appears that it is still the same, RM2000 and increment after confirmation. Or RM2500 on a contractual basis (no epf, bonus).

It depends. For those already living in KL, a 2k salary might be okay for a start since I do not have spend on rental and so on. But, for one who has to rent a room/house and so on, its going to be tough. That's why I opted to try to find for jobs within KL/Selangor and eliminate the Cyberjaya ones.

Haha. Not very true. If you are able to present yourself and able to convince the company that you can make contribution even if you have "little to no skill" you can still negotiate your salary. In fact of course, during the your study, you do practical training as well, so it's not like you don't have any skill at all. Skills like able to use ms word, or able to speak multi-language proficiently is still consider skill regardless. If you got a first class degree (from a reputable university of course to make sense), do you really considered yourself "unnegotiatble"?? Don't try to sell yourself short.

But I think langauge proficiencies and computing skills are more like basic requirements which determine whether you are hired or not, instead of getting a higher pay.
The "skill set" they normally talk about is real skills applicable in work, not university or training crap. If you look at the people with more than 5 years working experience in their job, their knowledge in all the hands-on will stun you. I guess most working people will agree, university education just gives you a cert, or maybe at some point trains your EQ and soft skills, but not contributing to your skill set at all.

Thats why the job ads always look for "at least 1 year experience" applicant. This also means fresh grads have no power of negotiation. You can only convince them that you are a keen learner and will always strive for the best.

Your salary for fresh grad should be around the same as your CGPA score.

Well i do think CGPA is important but actually it did not imfluence much on salary~~~

My expenses are high - hire purchase, parents, rent, food, bills, internet. It's pretty hard to save.

I beg to differ. There is negotiation room there if you feel you're being undervalued.
Of course, you must know your own market value first. How to determine your market value? Look at the pay range for that job category. Then look at your own capabilities and see where you stand in that range.
You'll need to have a very compelling answer to: "Why should I pay you x amount?".

And in terms of capabilities, it's not just your academics which matter. If you've experience organizing events on a semi large scale, that counts. Or public speaking and presentations. Or anything which you can relate to your job scope. Proof that you have the ability to learn fast is also good, but it's got to be impressive.

Am in a small company, 2.5 basic excluding allowance. Increment on confirmation.
Local grad btw.

@Minusgear and snorlax
Prove it to me that you can negotiate your salary with a firm and get at least 10% increment from what they offer you. You may have graduated from a very reputable university with excellent results but company policy stays. I'm not saying you are going to earn a range of RM2k to RM2.5k. You can earn more in certain companies especially banks for a fresh grad. You can even earn RM5k for a fresh grad. BUT the company will not budge from what has initially been offered to you because you are just entering the workforce.

Graduating from a more reputable university and/or achieving excellent results offers u more opportunities to get interviews with a wider spectrum of companies but it does not mean you can bargain your salary with the company cause in the end, you are a fresh grad

This post has been edited by kelvin_tan: May 14 2010, 11:56 AM

2006, telco, IT - 2.2 k

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This post has been edited by meebo: Jun 15 2010, 03:10 PM

@meebo
I praise you for being able to support yourself as a fresh grad. But in my opinion you will be having a hard time in the future when unexpected incidents happen as your savings is too little to cater for the emergency part. Cut down on your ciggrattes save money and good for your health

I noticed petrol isnt part of your expenses. So when a car comes into the picture, I dont think there will be savings.

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This post has been edited by meebo: Jun 15 2010, 03:10 PM

which field are u in?

banking~~~should be very stress~~~

Dearie Freshies,

Don't put too much hope on the $$$.. Gain experience first. After 2 yrs, then you can jump to another company and mark up yourself.
TQ

Hi, may I know if contract staff will get 12% Employer PF?

Telco company.

Consultant lvl - RM 1800 - 2300
Exec lvl - 2300 -3500
Snr Exec lvl - 3500 - 5000 ++

I m not a fresh grad but last time when i join a MMC company under trainee lvl salary only RM 1K per mth.
Tat time i'm doing Diploma in IT part-time. Now after work about 10 yrs+ jump several MNC with MSC status company, my salary still not very high.
Just ok ok only.

My younger sister E&E Engineering grad start pay abt RM2300.
After about 4 yrs work and haf experience jump other MNC company get RM4k..

I feel the salary range depends on field of study and the job salary scale set by the company HR.
Of coz good personalities + experience skill will help also..

This post has been edited by viper88: May 14 2010, 03:19 PM

you born in year 1988... but already got more than 10 years experience...

how come?

well ... i think it depend on location,

i have a fren grad in Uni Malaya E&E with 1st class degree work in semicon at shah alam, after 2-3 yrs work, still below 3K

but my previous housemate in penang, fresh grad work in semicon already 3K...

i think in semicon, PG pay is higher than KL

Viper88..
tat 88 is my fav number.. not year born leh..

@meebo
If you are relying on ur savings to maintain your car, then it isnt called savings. It is still considered expenses =/ Anyway i'll share an unfortunate incident with you. My car tyre punctured and couldnt be repaired so I had to change it. I changed 2 tyres at once which cost me RM400++ .. These are incidents that you could not avoid unfortunately and if it ever happens (unwanted incidents usually happens maybe once or twice a year), it will wipe out 1-2 months of your savings .. at the end of 1 full working year, how much have you saved if this is the case?

I didn't wait till they offered me an amount. During my interview, I was asked how much I wanted. I counter-asked their range, and the interviewer said 1.8-2.2. I then said mine was 2.5. Same thing happened with another company. And yes, i got a few offers at 2.5.

Company policy is rigid if you're interviewed by HR or mid management. If the top people in the company are hands on enough to do their own interviewing, what's to stop them from redefining policy?

Ya.. savings are very important.
Nowdays fresh grad after secure new job, they will also secure new debts/loans..

Try to break away from the rat race and plan for future financial freedom..
The earliear the better.

15k , insurance

Walau, 400 for 2 tyres...I buy silverstone brand only...max cost about 150-200. Aiya, if you wanna say like that even if your salary is 3-4k or more, but car problems could still happen, major maintenance could easily go up to 1k or more. (funny tho, when you have reached that salary lvl, usually you will buy bigger nicer car and throw ur kancil away, maintenance on better car surely costs more). If this kinda thing happen, dun tell me you could still afford the expenses without touching your saving.

I still think saving 10% of your salary is the best thing you could do these days for fresh grad. Of course my 10% means cash saving, pls exclude those EPF, insurance saving invesment etc. I have seen ppl save like 50% of their salary of 2k, but somehow if you look at their expenses doesnt make sense at all, like super save on food expenses, 0 entertainment, rent a room cheaply but usually uncomfortably and unsafe as well, cheaper ciggy, dun give parents $$, no other investment plan other than cash deposit. Tell me then, is this kinda expenses habit healthy?

The way you said as if it's "absolute" non-negotiable for graduates which is the part I find wrong. I got a graduate friend who manage to negotiate up to 3k based on his result, reputation in other company (training) and self promoting skill. His other graduate colleage, same department merely got 1.5k (he was shocked himself but of course more responsibility as they want to squeeze every penny worth). But I know him to be quite good at what he does despite recently graduated. I do partly agreed with you that graduates may not have much option for negotiation but that doesn't mean there's no room for possibility. For example, if a company is desperate to look for employee to fulfill certain quota to meet the project requirement, you might find yourself lucky, which is not far from the truth as I have met such person though just slightly above promised.

Also, when a company policy dictates you can only get between 2k to 2.5k, and you manage to get 2.5k max via successful interview and persistance, it's still considered negotiating mah.

This post has been edited by MinusGear: May 14 2010, 03:51 PM

<3k consider miskin bandar..no jokes, its really true..

considering car installment, breakfast + lunch, car park, house rent..etc

but nowadays fresh grads, we dont have choices..getting a job with 1.6k basic even hard enough already..

It's not that bad la actually, usually ppl who get ridiculously low wage is due to their inability to go somewhere else to work, ppl prefer to stay at home with parents/wife/kids, by that then your chance will be limited le. Flexibility is a great advantage of being hired too!

1.5k or 15k?

Getting a 2.3 k job is not hard. you just have to got the skills to earn it. Go attended interview skills courses and so. whts the point of studying so high and yet you apply jobs with 1.8k??? For fresh grad. You should demand at least 2.3 more or less.

my cgpa 2.3 nia and my pay was like rm 3.1 k each month.I', not good in studies but i can work. So guys, go out and demand higher. To improve malaysia's economy, we all must start to ask higher. Don't be afraid to not get a job. Must got guts to try. Surely the interviewer will ask why must i pay you $2.3k or what.

Think smart and give the a great answer. Wish you all luck.

Yes, i totally agree with u.

Look for good company tat willing pay reasonable good salary. Dun let them tekan kaw kaw for low pay salary but expect us to work like cow.

Last time when i went to interview at a IT company..
the interviewer ask me this question..

"What you want to sell?"

Damn, till now i still remember tat lansi face of the interviewer like look down on me.

Sometimes i feel certain employer have too many choices to choose so they like to play or make fun with fresh graduates tat want to apply for job.
Some company have 3X interview session + test summore.. nowdays is employer market.

If you feel the company have good career future, just try ur best n go for it.

Some of my fren with Master degree unemployed for more than 2 yrs even after attended countless interviews but failed to get the job....
He end up doin tuition centre.

If there is no way, make ur own way out and be successful in life.

Cheers,
viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: May 15 2010, 08:31 AM

That's the reason i open this thread~~~
Although as a graduate you don't have the chip to bargain with the employer, but you also need some basic money to survive...only when ur basic need is satisfied you will work hard for the company, this is most the employer don't care about, they juz wanna press as much as they can...
Anyway, as a freshgrad, altot salary is important, but the most important thing is gain experience 1st, just like one of the interviewer was trying to dumbfound me, she said since you don't know anything and our company gonna train u, usually ppl learn thing need to pay but now our company are paying you for learn (try to press down my salary into 1500 >.<) but with my eloquence i able to defend my bastion...

Thanks.viper88 and keshiro. Interviewers are actually nice ppl like u and me. of cos thy hav to lansi a bit n mean a bit when doing the interview. they want to see how tough you are. if you can stand them, of cos they will decide to give u a higher pay. keshiro, when thy push ur pay to 1.5k, u can pull it up too. tell them ur achievements n bla bla n u will stick to wht u asked before. just bluff the way up n eventually u will get d job. companies have hell lot of profits. its our right to get as much as we need or qualified.

The other day i went to interview tho. thy offer 2.4 k, and i request 2.6, tho i was rejected. i didn;t regret cos i believe i still can get better as where. opportunities are there but just that we ave not found them yet.

Try not to expect nice salary for your first job. Take it as a paid 'industrial training' then can renego salary or jump ship.
For me, first was 2.3k
After roughly one year, jump ship and earn 3.5k exclude allowance

i dont like your statement. bluffing your way up is only for amateurs. if your into a professional industry there is no way you can do so. mind asking, are you a fresh graduate? base on your attitude you are more suitable for a sales job to be honest.

as for me i started fresh at 1.8k. after proofing myself i done my probation with 400 bucks increment which leads me to 2.2k. since im an outsource consultant/technical specialist. im given an allowance of rm750 + rm120 for phone bill claims. and all other reimburstment like toll, parking, meals with customer or other colleague, travelling claims as i travel alot. After 2 years i look for more specialist job which is now. and i went for 5 interviews as i can recall. when you are attending a more specialist job interview you would really need to share with them some knowledge and experience which you've encountered and what you did to resolve the issue. Somthing which you can never lie. and as for the jobs im being interviewed, there are a few who offered me below my expected salary but out of 3 of them, they are paying me above my asking salary. much more higher than what i am expecting.

*My thumb rule during interview... never negoatiate your salary. coz im evaluating my employer as well. if they arent those willing to pay no point working for em, coz at the end no matter how much you've contributed to the company, those who arent willing to pay will usually not appreticate the effort and would not reward you accordingly. not for sales though

Sorry if i offended you somehow ><. I'm not bluffing tho but i wud say im just lucky and grateful. 2.6 is nothing really and if to consider the costs livings, most msians are underpaid. I once read a newspaper half a decade ago that most ppl are asking for a lower pay in order to get the job. the trend spreads and therefore ppl are just grateful with 1.8. we shudn't be contend with it as if so, we just cant improve anyhow. thts wht i think and also an inspiration from a teacher.

Most MNCs are willing to pay, they do have standard basic too. Local companies, well they would try to save as much as they could. thats what i think. I never tot of negotiation for salary till i took a course on interviewing skills. learned a lot from there, applied it and it sorta works too.

I also want to make a point that i do hope most ppl would try to nego n ask for more. many things to consider and also the future. everything in msia is expensive. things goes up never down except for salary. Msia's govt prob. Ask 10 ppl and how many are proud to be malaysian? i don't know. thats wht i think and i dun expect agreements. ^^

@monsteru
it doesn't matter if 2.6k is nothing or its something. Employers dont look at it that way. The most important question that lingers in employers mind is "How much can you contribute to our company that you are demanding XXX amount?"

No doubt I agree that if everyone joined X company, regardless where they graduate they will be getting the same salary. However my question is how many local graduate in the end gets the "nicer job"? For example, like international bank's management trainee, for every 10 they hire, in the end 20% are local private uni where as 10% are local private uni.

Which lead to my next question, that foreign institution get preference treatment when it comes to interview. For example my friend (from Nottingham Malaysia) is always complaining how "unfair" it is that international bank travel all the way to UK to recruit Malaysian students. Beside that you even seen the Director of HR for CIMB personally travelling to the UK to give out offers. some thing you dont see in local uni.

Ultimately leading to the great debate, are foreign graduate better than local graduate?

(I notice my international graduate friends get the nicer jobs, they normally end up in advisory department with BIG4 versus local graduate who ended up in audit. And international bank vs local bank management trainee programme)

its not just what u can contribute to the company....most of the employer now is more interested in multitasking employee but at the same time want to cut cost...
basically they would really love to make a slave out of you....if you are a freshman...god knows...you'll be damn to fall victims to them....

well depends what company tho. MNC's dun treat u like a multi task. thy'll put u to be specialised in a task.

Well kelvin_tan. im worth that much tho. tho the pay is 2.6 k n now even up to 3 k. turnover rate is still high. pressure is killing em n roughly u have about 1 staff resigning each month.

cos we're dealing with money and singaporeans. thy offerin 3 k for fresh grad now n can go up to 3.5k. still people are leaving.

thats a hell lot of pain there.

I got offer from Dell,2.5k. Decided to have a try there but heard ppl said the turnover rate is high. Wonder is there any increment after probation period..

It's sad to see M'sian graduates nowadays are still earning peanut salaries (1.5k - 3k (for lucky few) ) compared to their counterparts says, 10 years ago. This might be due to the fact that the salary scale is 'controlled' item, in the category as fuel and staple food despite the dwindling of money value and the rising inflation rates.

Compared to sgpr, even though their fresh grads are earning almost the same amount at par value (2k - 3k), they do indeed have more purchasing power than us because what we earn here are only half of what the Sing fresh grads get. Is it any wonder why many capable M'sians are leaving the country and the politicians and the so-called Director of HR are wooing back the talents thru their vain efforts?

Ok enough wining...even though the economy is pretty controlled, the salary is not always stagnant if we have experience and knowledge. 1 or 2 years in the work force is just a spring board for us to jump to higher ground. Some enterprising grads can even start off their own new projects or biz. Our age is actually our biggest and most valuable assets. Use it wisely...

well i think you dont quite understand what's the message im trying to tell you.
1st. If you're a freshie and a company isn't paying up to your expectation, just leave. dun even bother to nego. Most likely you wudn't get it and even if you get it be prepared coz you might face some chinaman style of management.
2st. Are you damn sure your qualify for the post? if yes, you could demand more but never on your 1st interview. Btw is that your 1st or 2nd job?
3rd. instead of boosting bout your performance you should be honest and always take real life example and your successful cases to be discussed. not make up stories!

P/S: I do negotiate for my salaries as well but only a few instance.
1st. If i think the career path is good with the company
2nd. If they are offering slightly lower from my expectation
Quick example, i snub Patimas Bhd when they offer me 2.3k when my expected salary was 3k. not even planning to negotiate with them!

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Added on May 16, 2010, 12:27 amDon't think that way, as a fresh graduate its a gift if you would be able to multi task. If your really working like a slave, just resign and trust me if you are doing good, you would be expecting a salary hike as they would counter offer you but if your not performing. bye bye. haha

From your description.. are you from a sales company?

This post has been edited by kidmad: May 16 2010, 12:27 AM

i'm not doing sales. im in international contact centre. yeah, my first job was 2.6 k tho. i requested for 2.5 at first.

My first job; local bank in singapore

Position: customer service officer/bank executive

Salary: Basic SGD2500 + 150 allowance + 250 shift allowance = SGD2900 fixed + about 4-5hrs OT every weeks = Total SGD3450=MYR8280/month


Mr brother first job in australia as a high school teacher

Position: Secondary/high school teacher

Salary: Pay out every 2 weeks, AUD1850/2weeks, AUD3700/month with tax reduction, net about AUD3100/month = MYR9300


Pretty pathetique here i know, fresh graduate bank executive about RM1600-2500/month, and for high school teacher starting also the same RM1600-2500. Only about SGD750-800/month... ZZZZZZZZ

its silly to compare it like that. you have to consider standard of living, tax, purchasing price parity, big mac index and all those other things. its like comparing apples and oranges.

This post has been edited by praveenmarkandu: May 16 2010, 08:14 AM

living and having fun with frens in msia = priceless

@xtremesportx
What a stupid comparison. So tell me the price of a property singapore compared to malaysia. You mind as well do the exchange rate against indonesia. Each month your earning millions of rupiah

Lol. but then again, malaysia is at its most disadvantages. I heard from my dad that back 30 years ago, singapore and malaysia share the same currency rate and it was the economy thing that dropped the value of our money. Indonesia was affected the worst too.

Singapore property is expensive but he/she still can convert it back to Malaysia and buy house in Malaysia.

Your comparison with Indonesia is funny. So what if able to earn Indonesia much in Rupiah but when convert it back to Malaysia, the earning is lesser?

It depends on the spending on the country also. But do you know that Indonesia got a lot of things such as Petrol and food are more expensive than Malaysia? The raw food in Australia is not really much expensive than Malaysia but the earning is much higher.


Do you really know how to think?

This post has been edited by tata88: May 16 2010, 01:08 PM

@tata88
In indonesia property, and cars are much cheaper compared to malaysia. Compare the tax, PPI, CPI, and other economic indicators of Malaysia vs Indonesia and you get what I mean

In indonesia, property and cars are much cheaper. But how many young people buy cars and house all by cash? Will they loan from bank? The loan cost at Indonesia is much higher than Malaysia. If comparing salary, i doubt that the graduates able to get salary which is same or higher in MYR comparing with get a job in Malaysia.

Indonesia maybe worth to work at only if the person is really a professional and the pay is really high.

But Singapore and Australia are better than Indonesia if a person able to get a job there with high salary. The rent and expenses maybe higher but it is still worth for the $.

........... If ppl can get high salary working anywhere is fine -.- . In Malaysia fresh grads get up to RM5k (highest that i've known so far) and the cost of living here you could easily save up to 75% of the amount. Is this possible in Australia where rental price would kill you? Is this possible in singapore where the rental there could easily cost you a huge portion of your salary? If you are doing conversions on every single currency earnings then why not work in UK ? since earning GBP2k+ is equivalent to RM10k here? exactly like praveenmarkandu mentioned, its like comparing apples and oranges

Well Kelvin if your living in Aussie, UK, US then i do agree with you but as for Singapore, the living expenses in Singapore is lower compared to KL and JB unless you're talking bout our kampung area then it would be different. A single room in Singapore near outskirts will cost prolly SGD600 other than that they are pretty much low. Most of the hawker centre you can get ur meals prolly about SGD 3.50 inclusive drink. Montly travelling pass for MRT + Bus transit about SGD 120. Phone calls which is lower! if your calling from Singapore to Singapore. Higher buying power as you know their stuff there are half da price of Malaysia's. However for property and also driving in Singapore.... that would be the killing part.

same goes for many other urban cities like Hongkong. Property is enough to kill a pair of working spouses. Who cares if you have high purchasing power.

Not to forget in Malaysia everyone of us stands a chance to establish our own empire/business. You have the ability, you can. In Aussie, one can only dream of that and carry on being an employee until he retires.

as a malaysian no one ever asked you to purchase a house at those places. its good if you can start in places like singapore. after few years come back to malaysia.

dats wat one of my housemate did. after 3 years in singapore as an engineer. he came back malaysia and bought a myvi and a motor with hard cash and settle down in malaysia. he claimed singapore is too boring for his life style, more like his gurlfren is in malaysia imo.

My first job now, holding like a junior HR Exec position in a telco vendor MNC. About RM 2.8k/month excludes other benefits.

Was their intern student last year and got promoted to permanent employment starting this year's January. Possess a Degree in BA majoring in HR, no experience.

lol..u guys shouldn't compare malaysia with other countries..u use what u earn in malaysia..
if u work and live in australia, also not much different..for example u get AUD$3k before tax in melbourne, rental at nearby city can cost you around $700-1000 for 1 month...high tax, eat outside for 1 meal $7-10(many ppl will choose cooking),bills, transport,etc..

@kidmad
well if you are talking about commuting, you could commute here in KL also. You cant compare if you commute in singapore vs u drive in kl. Its like i make a comparision you drive in singapore and i commute in KL. Take everything into account.

LOL, if u wanna compare like this,
I earned 12 AUD per hour by working in a restaurant in australia. And I worked 8 hours per week. So 12x8x4(1month)x3(exchange rate) = RM1152.
In malaysia I worked 5 days a week, 9 hours a day. But I only earn RM2500 a month.
According to your theory, I might as well go back to australia and get 3 part time jobs???and still can study part time??

The living cost is different. Even the people around is different. Working environment different. Culture different....and the list is endless. So, it is meaningless to JUST look at the amount of $.

does fresh grads here only refers to degree holder?

i done my diploma program like in march 2010...

and is now working in MNC for 2.1k

btw, i have been to about 5 interviews...

and i realized one thing...

interviewers wont bother looking at your cert..

just present yourself the best you could!

This post has been edited by babe_himesan: May 17 2010, 10:11 AM

go work in call center... ur basic confirm >RM2k... + shift + transport allowances might touch RM3k...

Never compare our public transport with Singapore, when i'm there for my business trip with just a SGD20 dollar pass it can get me anywhere in the town. But in Malaysia.... my godness i don't even know when they BUS will arrive! damn. In singapore, only if you wanna live in a luxurious manner then you could choose to opt for your personal ride, else the public transport will do.

P/S: Freaking shit, even getting your own ride in Malaysia you will still stuck in the jam before and after office hour. Dat's how pathetic our transportation is.

People is comparing a professional which will earn u Aussie 2.5k and Ringging 2.5k. What for compare a part time job with a professional job. Anyway Aussie is a pain in the ass if i'm not mistaken 25 - 40% of your salary will be contributed, rentals are expensive and daily expenses on meals are expensive as well. Correct me if im wrong.


Totally agree, it is about your personal attributes and attitude. When i attended the few interview, people will only look into your past, what you've done in your previous company and as well as your salary in your hardcopy resume. In my ex-company after working for them over a year only they did ask me for my softcopy Degree certification. LOL!

@kidman,

I guess you are right in saying that we should compare professionals vs professionals, its more logic that way, sorry about that..

What I want to point out by comparing aussie parttime job and msian professionals is to show that there is no point comparing!
Because a parttimer in aus can definitely earn more than msian professional, let alone aus professionals. Exchange rate, mate.

Yes, food, rentals, tax....should count all those in if you wanna compare.

Since I did my intern in this company and continued my employment with them, I have not submitted my CV before...
Unless the outdated CV which I submitted for my intern application through Jobstreet.
Sometimes certs do not matter that much but it is important for the first job. Just that my current company didn't ask for it...

@kidmad
well i agree public transport in malaysia kinda sux. But in a way you cannot compare cost of living in singapore where you commute vs you drive in KL. Again I can make the comparison of you renting a place in singapore vs me staying at parents home in malaysia.

but with degree cert, u got higher chance to get promoted,etc in future

I believe in continuous improvement.
I'll be proceeding with my MBA later... One fine day when I have the urge to continue studying.
Now I feel that I'm as free as a bird after my Degree.

i started my job with 1.8K back in November 2008. after six month of my working, my company has increased my salary to RM2.2K. After another 6 months my company once again increased my salary to RM3.2K. hehehe.. Now alm0st one and half year of my working experience, im earning RM3.2K. My principle is , we ( as fresh grad) cannot demand for salary. just grab it first and then show you real talent and skill in work to your boss. show to him that you can learn fast and willing to learn new thing. for sure you will be appreciated by to company and they willing to pay u high. It all depends on your ability to learn quickly and able to face the stress in the workplace. . good academic result just a ticket for you to get call for interview. only fast and good learner will survive and get achievement in life.

This post has been edited by daredavil82: May 18 2010, 05:28 PM

Lol you're younger than I thought.

Well cert is juz for employer to decide to invite you for an interview or not, so it's not really like what you say altot u might true for some part~~~

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Added on May 17, 2010, 8:17 pmbut work like cow+ unhealthy~~~

This post has been edited by Keshiro: May 17 2010, 08:17 PM

i started off my job (fresh grad) with 3K..but beware.. high pay doesn't necessarily bring happiness..

Gravity : ofcourse dude, your boss not a fool right? He will squeeze u to the max and expose u to the sun, and hopefully something will coming out~~~lol

high pay=high demand from ur boss

Yea, overall i would not encourage young ones to work in Aussie, haha its more like a place for retirement

Bro, the point here is that, base on the necessity + exposure it is better for someone single to start off working in singapore and come back later on. And your comparison is totally irrelavent, staying with ur parents cost you nothing. In your case since you are still able to stay with your parents, it would be better for you to work in Malaysia where you do not really pay for your own food and home which is totally different for me where i need to pay my car loan and house rental which cost me RM1.5k per month inclusive of streamyx + water + electric bills.

We are comparing:
Home + Transport + Cloths + Daily expenses. Adding up somehow Singapore would be slightly lower compared in Malaysia which will lead a freshie to higher amount of savings. Like what i said, work there for a few year and once you had save enough come back to Malaysia get yourself a house and a nice car and continue working.

Well it's all depending on your performance and how hard you archieve for it. Anyway professional certification like PMP,PMI, ITIL V3, CCNA, CCNP, CCIE, and etc would enhance your chance for a better positioning in your company. Well this certification are of course more towards the IT Industry needs.

That is the way bro! totally agree with you, it is not about how much you're employee are paying you, it is whether how much you've given to the company and how much they should repay you in return.

Want to work with MNC....for almost 3K....pm...

Working overseas (UK particularly) is definitely much better than msia even if u include rent,tax, living expenses and etc.

An average fresh grad in London, UK will be able to fully support himself n live comfortable enough. (Includes tax, rent, public transport, food n etc)

Whereas an average fresh grad in KL, Msia, will struggle to FULLY support himself UNLESS he lives with his parents. Not all msians live in KL and are rich enough to buy a car and house in KL.

On top of that, the experience, work culture and exposure is way greater in UK compared to here. Anyway after the financial crisis, UK is goin down and Msia seems to be improving slowly.

Just my 2 cents...

HVAC air terminal supplier rm 2.8 k basic + with rm 1.2 k allowance

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Added on May 18, 2010, 1:29 pmagreed petroleum plantations get paid about rm 400 a day work for 2 weeks . Another 2 weeks holiday for fresh graduate ... working hour insane and dangerous

This post has been edited by akidos: May 18 2010, 01:29 PM

not really for IT. is same to Banking industry..i got uncle and aunt in MBB and PBB.both also manager in some sections.they said u only can get promote if u have degree..else is HARD...