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post May 10 2010, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ May 10 2010, 03:52 PM)
why i wan expensive PS3 instead can get a BD player for 399?
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eh.. which BD player is priced at RM399? I wanna get one for my parents...
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post May 11 2010, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ May 10 2010, 11:37 AM)
i dont have any problem with Blu-ray with my panasonic player...
not even need to update any firmware
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Probably you've misread TS's post. Its about Sony BD player. tongue.gif

QUOTE(maskedchan @ May 10 2010, 03:52 PM)
why i wan expensive PS3 instead can get a BD player for 399?
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Which BD Player sold at RM399? Your BD player ke? brows.gif . I want drool.gif

This post has been edited by sKyWiR3pT3lTd: May 11 2010, 12:47 AM
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post May 11 2010, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(hosiery2u @ May 10 2010, 03:18 PM)
Because all blu-ray copyrights owned by Sony.
Wrong. The patents for the physical disc belongs to Sony AND Philips, who so happens also invented the Compact Disc.

But a Blu-ray Disc has more than just the physical patents (how the physical structure of disc is made). It has patents on the blue/purple laser used, the algorithm from which data error correction is made, the hard-coating used, the video encoding methods used (each of the MPEG-2, VC-1 and MPEG-4 have over a hundred companies holding patents), the audio encoding methods (the PCM standard, Dolby and DTS) as well as the Java scripts used.

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And all these copy protections also made by Sony.
Wrong. There are TWO copy protection schemes that can be employed on a pre-recorded video BD. One is AACS, which is owned by AACS LA a consortium made up of many CE companies AND Hollywood studios, one of them is Toshiba. The other is BD+, which is by Cryptography Research.

BD+ is an optional encryption and almost always used by Lionsgate and 20th Century Fox. Fox is the studio that insisted on BD+ to be a part of the BD standard. Otherwise, they would not have committed to BD.

And just so you know, AACS was also used on HD-DVDs.

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If you buy a Panasonic, Sharp, Pioneer... blu-ray player, you also paying to Sony as well.
Wrong. If you buy a Panasonic, Sharp or Pioneer BD player, those companies get their own share of royalties because they own patents pertaining to the BD standard. Panasonic may even get the biggest share.

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I was just wondering why Toshiba given up the HD DVD battle, if Toshiba win the battle, maybe Toshiba won't change all these copy protection continuosly.
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Let's see why Toshiba gave up the HD-DVD battle... 1) they sold their first and second gens at 1/5th the cost of making them without ever hoping to recoup the cost (they sell hardware not software); 2) those players were basically a PC running off a software with a GPU, which meant that startup and playback is really slow; 3) the capacity is only up to 30GB which means that for a 3-hour long movie, the video bitrate will suffer and there would not be lossless audio; and 4) after Paramount betrayed the BDA by siding with HD-DVD late 2007, Warner (which owns the rights to distribute HBO content as well as New Line) sided with the BDA exclusively on January 4th 2008 and within three weeks Paramount and Universal followed suit.


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post May 11 2010, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ May 11 2010, 12:41 AM)
Probably you've misread TS's post. Its about Sony BD player. tongue.gif
Which BD Player sold at RM399? Your BD player ke? brows.gif . I want drool.gif
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There are many BD player sold at that price range. Try to look at Garage Sales >> Home Electronics & Homewares section
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post May 11 2010, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ May 11 2010, 01:01 AM)
There are many BD player sold at that price range. Try to look at Garage Sales >> Home Electronics & Homewares section
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I think i know where to find the blu-ray players, and at the moment i dont need one , as i own Sony BD-ROM icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 11 2010, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ May 11 2010, 01:01 AM)
There are many BD player sold at that price range. Try to look at Garage Sales >> Home Electronics & Homewares section
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...47&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...14&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...16&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...18&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...14&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...84&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1417150
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1408560
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1360004
nope...

too good to be true...
wth rite, I got the 'expensive' ps3 already.
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post May 11 2010, 09:59 AM

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hmmm...

masked and max.. can post up a link?
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post May 11 2010, 10:14 AM

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$399 no wonder cannot play la...

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post May 11 2010, 12:16 PM

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It have been quite sometimes that PS3 is not longer the cheapest players that can play blu-ray movies. smile.gif
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post May 11 2010, 12:59 PM

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I think ps3 never been the cheapest, only the value for buck factor caught my interest.
With all the constant firmware update and the new 3D capability (3D movie later this year and minus the otherOS removal, lol),
its worth it to have 1. Btw, ps3 too is getting cheaper though.

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post May 11 2010, 01:08 PM

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I tink sum ppl forget tat de ps3 is first a gaming machine .. n tat it plays bd mvs [well] too is an advantage.. no..
For a non gamer like me to hv one jus to play bd's is remarkable in itself.. IMO.. O ya it was de cheapest bang for buck [+ it being best rvwd player] player , then..

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post May 11 2010, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ May 10 2010, 03:52 PM)
why i wan expensive PS3 instead can get a BD player for 399?
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Because it does EVERYTHING.

lol. sweat.gif

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post May 11 2010, 01:48 PM

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Did you know that occasionally, Amazon do sale Panasonic BD60 slightly more than $100+. After covert to RM, it is less than RM399. The only problem is you need an additional transformer to convert input voltage... hmm.gif
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post May 11 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(MatchMaker @ May 11 2010, 02:41 AM)
i said for that price range. RM400+ doh.gif

PHILIPS-BDP-3000 - RM 465

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1082455&hl=blu
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post May 11 2010, 02:21 PM

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My google search still returns a $199 BD60 from amazon.
$199 + shipment + additional transformer + no built-in Wi-Fi + no free game demo... sad.gif

//I'm a fanboyz anyway biggrin.gif

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post May 11 2010, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(MatchMaker @ May 11 2010, 02:21 PM)
My google search still returns a $199 BD60 from amazon.
$199 + shipment + additional transformer + no built-in Wi-Fi + free game demo... sad.gif

//I'm a fanboyz anyway biggrin.gif
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You should know that Amazon's price is changing frequently. That's why I said occasionally la. But if you plan to get from Amazon, for Panasonic, better get latest version, BD65 which currently cheaper than BD60.

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post May 11 2010, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ May 11 2010, 02:20 PM)
i said for that price range. RM400+ doh.gif

PHILIPS-BDP-3000 - RM 465

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1082455&hl=blu
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It’s a blue ray player not a blu-ray player biggrin.gif
Okay that one got a reasonable price tag. rclxms.gif
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post May 11 2010, 02:33 PM

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Ahhh? Blue Ray player? rclxub.gif
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post May 11 2010, 02:37 PM

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Guys, please la. doh.gif I;m sure it's just a typo.

http://www.consumer.philips.com/c/blu-ray-...3000_05/prd/gb/
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post May 11 2010, 02:41 PM

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ya la, please accept my sarcasm sad.gif

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