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post May 27 2010, 11:49 PM

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oic.. omnitofo..

i not bioorganic chemistry... product isolation and identificaton something like dat la.. i oso noob chemistry 1 cuz no basic
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post May 27 2010, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 27 2010, 11:49 PM)
oic.. omnitofo..

i not bioorganic chemistry... product isolation and identificaton something like dat la.. i oso noob chemistry 1 cuz no basic
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Oo..natural product isolation and LC/MS identification?
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post May 27 2010, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ May 27 2010, 11:52 PM)
Oo..natural product isolation and LC/MS identification?
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icic.. phytochemistry.. hyphenated technique..
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post May 28 2010, 01:12 PM

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What is actually the difference between BSc with Honuors or that without it?

I did my BSc without the word honuors, deos that man i would not be recognised by most university?
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post May 28 2010, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ May 28 2010, 01:12 PM)
What is actually the difference between BSc with Honuors or that without it?

I did my BSc without the word honuors, deos that man i would not be recognised by most university?
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bsc. with honours in it means u gt did ur final year project.. dis is for wat i knw...
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post May 28 2010, 03:22 PM

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In malaysia, BSc with honours means that your will have a final year project which would result in a production of a dissertation (mini thesis) and a viva..You will know whether the degree has an honours component when you enrol..
In some countries, BSc is 3 year program. After that, they can apply to do honours year..which is a full year research intensive program..not all BSc students will apply for honours and not all are qualified..They are chosen based on the BSc results..
Did you have a final year research project at the end of your BSc?
BSc without honours doesn't mean that your degree is not recognized..It would imply inferiority if you intend to apply for related stuffs...such as postgraduate degree or job related to research (in bio context)..
An honours year is placed more importance than MSc (coursework)..at least this is what happen at my university..
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post May 28 2010, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ May 28 2010, 02:22 PM)
In malaysia, BSc with honours means that your will have a final year project which would result in a production of a dissertation (mini thesis) and a viva..You will know whether the degree has an honours component when you enrol..
In some countries, BSc is 3 year program. After that, they can apply to do honours year..which is a full year research intensive program..not all BSc students will apply for honours and not all are qualified..They are chosen based on the BSc results..
Did you have a final year research project at the end of your BSc?
BSc without honours doesn't mean that your degree is not recognized..It would imply inferiority if you intend to apply for related stuffs...such as postgraduate degree or job related to research (in bio context)..
An honours year is placed more importance than MSc (coursework)..at least this is what happen at my university..
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which uni u from
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post May 28 2010, 10:54 PM

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I did my BSc in UKM and i am in Australian National University for my PhD..
And you?
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post May 28 2010, 11:05 PM

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y u can jump to phd without masters in australia? Not fair. Like dat everyone oso 1 go australia la
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post May 28 2010, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 28 2010, 11:05 PM)
y u can jump to phd without masters in australia? Not fair. Like dat everyone oso 1 go australia la
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Well, i have a 1st class honours and 1.5 years of experience as Research assistant...
With only the 1st class honours, i would not be able to enter ANU...my supervisor used my working experience to push my application thru..
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post May 28 2010, 11:20 PM

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i c.. 1.5yrs of experience is it quality experience? or just a wasted expewrience?
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post May 28 2010, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 28 2010, 11:20 PM)
i c.. 1.5yrs of experience is it quality experience? or just a wasted expewrience?
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Gave me some exposure...In my BSc i work on E. coli recombinant protein expression system...
In my RA-ship i work on yeast and fungal expression system..and it widen my horizon on what options i have..how systems here work and etc..
If i weren't able to secure scholarship to Aus, the RA project would become my PhD project..

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post May 28 2010, 11:29 PM

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how to secure scholarship to Aus? How many yrs for phd in Aus? Got publish any paper during RA?
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post May 28 2010, 11:40 PM

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how to secure scholarship to Aus? How many yrs for phd in Aus? Got publish any paper during RA?
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There are ample scholarships available for international students...universities itself do offer scholarships to qualified applicants..
No one is going to do a PhD in Aus without a scholarship..the fees are very high..
3 years...but no one usually could finish in 3 years..usually 3-4 years..
Nope..no publications...i have to work from scratch as the previous masters student left a pile of mess for me to follow up...the more i work on it, the more error i found..and i have to back track to previous stages..and for bio-related project, you can't publish much...if you break up you projects to publish in a few papers, the papers would have lesser quality than you publish them in one as a whole..

PS: if you look around, there are a lot of countries which accept BSc (1st class honours) holders to their PhD program..1st class honours is the minimum for such admission..
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post May 28 2010, 11:43 PM

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then what are the process for the scholaship? Like do u have to go to the university for interview or something? like dat i oso wanna go phd there
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post May 28 2010, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 28 2010, 11:43 PM)
then what are the process for the scholaship? Like do u have to go to the university for interview or something? like dat i oso wanna go phd there
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Nope...the scholarships i heard of doesn't require interviews..such as Endeavor scholarship for Aus and Commonwealth scholarship for UK..
There purely based on merit...results, awards, publications, reference letter and etc..
They judge your application based on several essays...and it wont be easy..For endeavour scholarship, there were over 2000+ applicant all over the world...only the selected few would be granted scholarship..
The essays are of general type...such as statement of purpose..
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so everything is online? Just sent application and they will select? So ma send as many as i can more chances to get lo.

By the way the stipend enough for living in australia? how much do u estimate needed per month to live in australia?
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post May 29 2010, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ May 28 2010, 11:51 PM)
so everything is online? Just sent application and they will select? So ma send as many as i can more chances to get lo.

By the way the stipend enough for living in australia? how much do u estimate needed per month to live in australia?
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Of course...it's like job application..you can't expect to get a scholarship with just 1 application..you have to send in as much as possible...
but it doesn't mean that the more you send, the higher the chances...as all scholarships are competitive..everyone wants a scholarship..but there isn't enough for everyone..
the sum given differs from scholarship to scholarship...but as a rule of thumb, these scholarship are enough..if you know how to manage and cook a lot, you could save..for my city, i would say at least A$1000 per month for essential needs..The ANU website estimates a person needs $20,000 annually..that's a generous estimation of course..
So for your Masters, do your best, publish in high impact publications rather than multiple lower impact ones...you'll need good reference letter for scholarship..
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ May 28 2010, 11:02 PM)
Of course...it's like job application..you can't expect to get a scholarship with just 1 application..you have to send in as much as possible...
but it doesn't mean that the more you send, the higher the chances...as all scholarships are competitive..everyone wants a scholarship..but there isn't enough for everyone..
the sum given differs from scholarship to scholarship...but as a rule of thumb, these scholarship are enough..if you know how to manage and cook a lot, you could save..for my city, i would say at least A$1000 per month for essential needs..The ANU website estimates a person needs $20,000 annually..that's a generous estimation of course..
So for your Masters, do your best, publish in high impact publications rather than multiple lower impact ones...you'll need good reference letter for scholarship..
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so now u doing phd or finished phd?\
why wanna get phd
easier to get job?
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post May 29 2010, 12:53 AM

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I am doing my PhD now..
Doing a PhD doesn't really correlated to getting a job easier..you have to understand that 1st..
Certain jobs need PhD qualification, certain jobs need Masters and certain need only BSc..They have different niche...like you can't work as a lecturer with BSc and it's insane for a PhD holder to work as a medical lab technologist..
I do PhD because i want to do something related to what i studied..and i don't want to do repetitive stuffs day in day out..With a BSc in bio-related course, i'll end up with jobs like technician if you insist on working on something related to what I studied...and it is kind of a personal satisfaction to get a PhD..

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