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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Nov 3 2010, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 3 2010, 05:26 PM)
Just for my knowledge.

1. KILN DRIED planks. Do plank after kiln chamber drying produce any smell.
During old days, we insisted on sun dryed planks and not KD as we are afraid of the chemical if any in the chamber. Since I am no expert in the kiln chamber process, maybe you can enlighten me and maybe if good, I may also used KD planks.

2. I have seen some white fungus that grow in meranti wood and they look just like BN base layer until I have a closer look at the fungus. It's rubber like type of fungus and I recommended it to be removed with steel brush and water or any better suggestion?
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Hi WW,

I don't think it will smell if do not use any chemicals with it.

But most kiln will use chemical for drying rubber wood and that will smell.

I was told we can choose to use either steam or heat by gas.

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post Nov 4 2010, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(swiftcurrent @ Nov 4 2010, 10:28 AM)
Hi tweeter

planks get moldy only if they are moist over a prolong period due to contact with water or if they are not dried properly after they are sawn from the logs. As mentioned by aeiou, kiln dry is best if you have not installed the planks yet.

If the planks are dry enough the high humidity even at 95% is unlikely to cause molds. So make sure the planks are not moisted from mist humidifier or roof leaks etc.

I have no problem with my air dried red meranti as well. What type of wood are your planks? From the write-up you posted susceptabilty to molds also depends on wood types.
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Hi Jackie

Thanks for your reply.
I plan to use dark red Meranti. Currently my planks are laid on floor for air dried, but with the recent heavy rain and flood around the area.
I am afraid it will be months before the weather is clear and the plank to be dried enough for use.

One of my friend' s BH humidity in the area shoot up to 97%RH!
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post Dec 6 2010, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Dec 5 2010, 09:11 PM)
Today I checked my ceiling temperature as it had been cloudy for 3 days running.

Max. was 27.5 deg.C   min. was 26 deg.C. that's not ideal for hatching eggs fast. I hope the sun will come out soon. If the next few days remain cloudy, it might get colder.

I am wondering if anyone has employed some system of heating to maintain optimum selected temperature. May not be required very often but nice to have when needed.
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 6 2010, 11:33 AM)

Added on December 6, 2010, 12:39 pm
Hey, no wonder that they say, birds of the same feather fly together. Like me and you, because a few days ago, I was toying with the idea of using heater in the BH during monsoon time and what best way to do it without overheating the BH.

Any bright idea.
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Yes, we used heater last month in our BH. It is a heater with fan type and can pre-set the on-off temperature.
We can control the required temperature range satisfactorily.
Our temp went down to 24 degree celcius and humidity shoot up to 96%RH before we decided to use it.
See details in http://swiftletsourceofinformation.blogspo...og-post_04.html





http://mynewventureswiftlethome.blogspot.com

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post Dec 24 2010, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Dec 24 2010, 08:40 AM)
I have a friend who has tried almost all the aroma in the market. You name it, he has got it before.

For some it worked, for some, it didn't. That is not the way to move forward. A doctor cannot prescribe a medicine that is not proven.

The importance of other factors in making a BH successful is not disputed. What I need to established is the importance of aroma in luring the birds to make love or at least stay at the spot where the aroma has been applied.

I can take pictures of my BH where hundreds of birds group together but no aroma has been applied. There are also places where the birds do not gather.

Making aroma is not that difficult if you apply basic sciences to it. Extracting oil from the feathers and distilling it is not rocket science. So are other methods. At the end of the day, the efficacy of the aroma needs to be established. Some promoters are real gentleman, only claim aroma is complementary. Some claim like IT IS the magic. So why not subject them to a proper test?

This challenge so far is sponsored by myself and another forumer. The results however will be posted in this forum for all to see.

Let's see how many aroma promoters are willing to subject their products to this test. After all, you don't want to give untested medicine to your sick child.
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post Dec 24 2010, 07:01 PM

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Quoted " Kasus gedung kosong atau kasus populasi lambat, solusinya bukan dengan menyemprotkan cairan perangsang atau ada yang menyebut parfum walet. Sebab sumber masalahnya bukan di situ. Tetapi sumber errornya mungkin karena kesalahan di tata suara, atau pengaturan suhu & kelembapan, atau kurang tepat tata ruangnya. Apa yang mengundang walet datang dan menempel di twiter atau papan sirip? Itu karena CD panggil yang bagus. Apa yang mendorong walet cepat menginap? Itu karena tata ruangnya yang tepat. Apa yang merangsang walet cepat buat sarang? Itu karena suhu dan kelembapan ruang sesuai habitat waletnya. Gitu… " Unquoted

The above from Dr.Arief Budiman website at http://duniawalet.com/index.php/Kasus/Suda...g-hasilnya.html
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post Jan 4 2011, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Jan 3 2011, 08:43 PM)
Good post tuckfook.

Some say large planks result in nest with less feathers and even illustrate the "postures" of the bird in large and small planks.

In my BH, I experimented from 2"  to 5" planks. From my observations, there is no correlation between plank width and feathers in EBN. I have ebns adjacent to each other, one very clean and the other more feathers. I could be wrong and need to experiment more.

There are very clean ebns on all the sizes and feathery ones too but more often than not, a lot more clean ones than heavily-feathered ones. Having said that, a few buyers mentioned that my ebns are much cleaner than the one in the market from the same area.

Hmm, still trying to figure out why and has been bugging me for a long time to come up with a scientific explanation. Hope some sifus can shed some light on this matter.
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My friend just posted bird nests pictures from his two bird houses:
One is from his first bh, he built above his own house with minimal insulation as an experiment house.
Another one from his newly built bird house with very good insulation, double brick walls with foam in between, humidity is always on the high side, temperature is always on the low side.

Bird nests from the first bh which temperature is on the high side and low humidity are cracked, twisted, with many feathers.
Compared to bird nests from the other house, thick, clean and much less feathers.

See pictures in http://foofaswiftlet.blogspot.com/2010/12/blog-post_28.html


For temperature and humidity controller, plenty of them in here.
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?Search...roduct_en&fsb=y




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post Jan 19 2011, 12:55 PM

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Hi,

Anyone try using dehumidifier in BH before?
Any comments or recommendation would be highly appreciated.
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post Jan 20 2011, 12:23 AM

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It'because of the design and location of the house. Double walls with styrofoam design is not suitable to the wet land area. But the house was already built and thus has high humidity all the time during monsoon season. All vh can not be closed, otherwise it will be even worse. Currently just use fans to lower the humidity. PS. It' not my house. It's my friend's house.

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post Mar 3 2011, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 3 2011, 11:01 AM)
how do u clean the taiwan humidifer? Mine is pretty dirty and one of it malfunction. Do u clean ur humidifier frequently? alot of bird shit
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You can dismantle the whole unit and wash with a mixture solution of 1 teaspoon of Sodium hydroxide and 1 table spoon of detergent powder with a bowl of water. Here is the link with step by step photo. http://www.srcthai.com/index.php?lay=show&...le&Id=539088489

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post Mar 5 2011, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 5 2011, 09:58 AM)
TQ Tweeter,
I believe many here will appreciate your posting of the site and although it is in Thai, the picture should explain it so well that anayone shall now be able to maintain his Taiwanese Humidifiers without any problem at all.
TQ, again.
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This is a small thank you from me to this forum or what they call in the movie "to pay forward" ( it's not my article or website, though wink.gif) , after I have received many benefits by reading this forum, (specially from your advises, WW) for years.
This is how civilized people should do.

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post Apr 2 2011, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(clomas @ Apr 2 2011, 05:24 AM)
Hi all,

it's really glad to see that everyone here is willing to share your experiences in Swiftlet farming. So nice of you all!

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Look good except the 8 entry holes, how about just 4?




QUOTE(Jo Yeo @ Mar 31 2011, 08:17 AM)
Close ALL other V.holes when operating the air-sucking-out process. Turn on timing as advised.

All will be well.

A blessing in disguise ( who knows:  find out when BH operate after a year)
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Can you please help clarifly "A blessing in disguise"

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post Apr 3 2011, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jo Yeo @ Apr 2 2011, 03:31 PM)
A seasoned environment for swiftlets quicker !
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Thanks for the response, but still don't understand. rclxub.gif
Please explain as if you are explaining to a dummy like me. notworthy.gif


Added on April 3, 2011, 12:29 pm
QUOTE(West Wing @ Apr 3 2011, 11:05 AM)
Let's TC if you don't mind

With so much in the internet, you really don't need a consultant but rather a good contractor to make your BH as one friend just mentioned to me the other day, " I can get basically everything about swiftlets in the net"

Rightfully said but just you need to distinguished the Rights from the Wrongs or rather I would say"Bull Shit"!!! (If birdshit, then it is OK)

There are equally amount of good information as well as bad information so you only need to be careful and filter when selecting what you need to do so this forum is a best forum to forward your worries.

Likewise, there isn't a prefect way of doing BH cos everywhere is different in solving teething problem with BH or rather I would say just use your big brain to ponder and you may come out with a better solution to your problem. Having PHD in the field (I don't believe there is one anyway) isn't going to ensure 100% birds success and if there is one solution to all problems, then he must by now a Billionaire.......@ Rm4K a kilo.

Coming to my TC, one very closed friend that went into one of my BHs and before he ask his question, I told him what he is thinking why the entrance to the lower floor is only 2 by 3, I told him that long ago, when I first did this BH, I was worried that the local government will disallow BHs @ town so I did the lest damage to the building in case I need to restore the building and also that I would accidentally fall into the hole. I was surprise that the birds just start their buz at the lower floor and since then, I allow the entrance hole to be at it was till now. Why disturb and renovate when the lower floor has over thousand of nests.

If the birds don't mind, why should I?????
Thanks for hearing my TC story and if of help to you, I shall be happy.
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post Oct 24 2011, 04:01 PM

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Just came back from Guangzhou, over the counter price of cleaned bird nests there in a pharmacy shop are ranging from RMB 256-300 per 10 gm for white ones, and RMB 600 for red nests. Tried to take picture, but was not allowed.
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post Oct 25 2011, 11:24 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnUuTpsYh44&feature=related
Can anyone help explain what they say in summary?

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