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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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swiftcurrent
post Jan 14 2011, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(BirdNest_Satay @ Jan 13 2011, 08:24 PM)
Hi all,

I just received news my new BH got complained about the noise, but didn't say specific which part or direction.

Last week we have checked day&night both internal and external volume to be at correct levels.
I had personally tuned the internal tweeters to the 2nd lowest notch which sounded as if normal bird volume.
The external tweeters were not tuned by me, but my partners said only can hear little bit at ground floor.

Gonna make a trip there ASAP to solve this, so is there anything specific that I should lookout for ?
Maybe the timer or amp volume not accurate/consistent ?
Styrofoam + ceiling board + half closed window -> not soundproof enough ? really need bricks?

Thanks in advance...
Really paiseh disturb other ppl  doh.gif Im worried if next warning come again means TheEnd for me
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suggest you double check the timer program for your external tweeters especially if you are using digital timer. sometimes there is overlap and the amp is still switched on throughout the nite. A power outage can cause timers to be out of sync.

also try to go around the area during the quietest part of the day ie. at dawn or midnite , if you want to check the loudness of your bh ext sound.

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post Jan 16 2011, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(BirdNest_Satay @ Jan 14 2011, 11:41 PM)
Thanks for the response.

Currently we are using the wall socket analog timer with a round dial to push in the small 15minute ticks.
7:30am to 7:30pm
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hope you have already identified the source of the "noise" issue.

analogue timers are easy to set up. Presumably yours come with battery backup. If not the dial will not be in sync with the correct time whenever there are power outages. I have stopped using the analogue timers as i find the digital timers more reliable and versatile. The battery backup last for days vs few hours in the case of analogue timers. When the power resumes, all the settings - clock, date, timing programs etc remains. The only drawback for digital timers is having to be careful when doing or redoing the settings, make sure there are no overlap. Once you have the hang of it, digital timers are just great gadgets.
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post Jan 16 2011, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(sfchung @ Jan 15 2011, 07:23 PM)
Hi folks,

I have been lurking around this forum for years. Perhaps right where V1 just started. Unfortunately I didn't have the fortune to be able to start a BH yet then and so kept a very low profile. However, things have changed and I am on the verge of starting a BH soon in Sarikei,Sarawak on a plot of agriculture land not too far from town. Will be doing the bird call test when I go back for CNY although my sis and sis-in-law have seen the area and saw a number of BHses around the area and the birds are rather visible too.

I must have listen to tons of swiftlet sounds (samples off the net) but to date, I still find it difficult to postively identify whether it is an external or internal sound. Baby chicks sound are probably more distinctive but the others I am not too sure. There are categories of sounds I believe for eg:

Playing
Warning
Fighting
Mating
Duress/stress/in pain
etc

Is there a way to classify these sounds accordingly? Perhaps there are some traits to look out for? A library of sounds perhaps? I have seen on the net claims for sounds that supposedly fit for use both internally and externally. I have purchased 4 different external calling sounds CD from Ekawalet and tried to "benchmark" against ambiguous sounds ( those not stated internal or external) in an attempt to spot similar traits of external sound. Not very confident at all even after so many hrs of listening!

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2ndly I am in need to come out quickly with a bird call testing gadget. Nesttech in JB selling for abt Rm800 and I dont think I want to spend that kind of money at the moment. The plot of land is not accessible by car currently so the idea of playing the car stereo is out. Will a stereo portable set be sufficiently loud to do the test?
Most bird sounds that I have is quite soft when I played them off the home hifi. The louder ones are usually heavily distorted/clipped. Initially I thought of getting one of those china made 12V Class T amp, wrapped some rechargeable batteries around it and stick in a tweeter or 2 and I'd have a something usable. But I think time is not on my side at the moment. Any suggestions?

I probably will need further advice and tips as I go along but so far I am very touched by the levels of generosity seen in this forum.

And please no sales call to any consultants out there. Don't call me, I'll call you. They are everywhere I tell you!.

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on eway is to just observe the BH nearby your area. how many, how old, number of birds etc. if all of them are new and not having lots of birds then you really need to do a bird call test.


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post Jan 23 2011, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Jan 22 2011, 10:25 PM)
I don't think the white patches are mold. It was more like construction dirt and shoe print.  You never clean the planks before starting operation ?
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Agree with aeiou. Dun appear to be mold, more likely to be dirts. Just wipe them off with damp cloths. If they are cement dusts then you hav to wash them off.

I have a list of Do's & Dun's for anyone working in or visting the bh. During construction one of the dun's is that the workers are not allowed to step onto or lie down or sit on the planks. The planks are keep clean and handled with great care.

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post Jan 25 2011, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jan 23 2011, 11:59 AM)
Need to see the planks to be sure of the problem as I have seen planks that have similar white patches and  feel like rubber and they occurred  after a year or two. You can almost remove part of it off with your fingers nails. According to my sawmill friend, those planks are dead and I did K chop 2 pieces in one chop with my bare hand....... and I am no Karate expert lah.

As for Do and Don't, it very difficult to enforce like long ago, we used to tell workers not to smoke in the BH and all food must be taken outside....what you get, smell of urine in the BH........those are labourers and "tak Sekolah" . Just my 2sen opinions.
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yea, not easy to enforce but still have to let them know in advance and keep reminding them during inspection rounds. If not, the workers will use those planks for all sorts of things, make scaffoldings, take a nap or have lunch on it. If you are lucky the birds might like their sweat or nasi lemak smell. smile.gif

I wud just get them to wash it immediately and they usually get the message.


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post Feb 8 2011, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Feb 8 2011, 11:51 AM)
Gong Xi Fatt Cai to all breeders, readers, bloggers, governors etc.

May I ask if there is any Teluk Intan breeder here? Any problem/kacau with the town council so far? Town council issue any license? Understand from some developer, no license issued no problem so far. What is your comment?
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Gong Xi Fa Cai to all rclxms.gif

hi Bobby

hope this news article will give you some idea of BH licensing situation in Teluk Intan. Some 500 licences were issued there.

http://swiftletguide.blogspot.com/2009/06/...let-saliva.html

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post Feb 9 2011, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Feb 8 2011, 03:44 PM)
Thanks you Swiftcurrent for your kind and swift reply!

Just notice one commercial development next to residential estate but also next to hotspot. Still think think whether can invest. Other can, why not. Sound issue can be settled, up to breeder jurisdiction.
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you are most welcome. Glad that some of these old news articles can be useful reference material some day.

in T.Intan nowadays there are many new shoplots developed with top floors that are designed for conversion to BH eg.dog kennel on roof nicely flushed in. Happy hunting, do tell us of progress
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post Feb 21 2011, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Feb 13 2011, 08:55 PM)
Many years ago, a friend of mine just returned from Thailand and informed me that the Thai Authorities burned down a BH because of Bird Flu and he was looking for sign from my face...."Why aren't you scare that the authorities here will destroy your BH because of bird Flu/"

I answered that swiftlets never get bird Flu as they never touch the ground and only birds that have contact with the ground will get bird flu. Secondly, the Thailand case was because the BH happened to be in the 5kilmetre circumference, all birds in the area will need to be destroyed including the swiftlets although swiftlet never touch the ground to contact with the virus.....

So, I am really scare that if the chicken near the BH happen to get H1N1 or worst H5N1, then 5 kilometer radius, all birds must be destroyed include our precious swiftlets......although the mature birds can fly away, all chicks and eggs must be destroyed and all the BH disinfected.....that will leave you bankrupt or heart broken.

So, the best way is to be careful and never rear chicken or other fowls near your BH or else........all your years of sweat and hardship all gone.

Better grow other even earth worm will be good and you may feed the BS to the worms and maybe make alot of cash from it......I know that fishes like the BS but do worms like BS, too.

One thing that I know is that don't plant fruit trees near BH as these attract bats and other animals to the area.
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Oil palm is good as swiftlets like those insect living on oil palm and there are lots of insects. Rubber trees aren't good for BH.  Maybe, expired infos but just write something to share.....

Any disagreement, kindly post it here to share.
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Rubber plantations produces swarms of mosquitoes as they breed in the rain water collected in the clay cups or plastic bags used to collect latex. Mosquitoes are good food for swiftlets but not too good for humans. Millions of human are killed by mosquitoes every year. So one can safely claim that swiftlet faming is safer than rubber plantations.

There is almost zero mosquitoes in oil palm plantations.... no breeding places for them and as you said there are lots of other insects for the switlet. So imho BH & oil palm plantation is good combination. rclxms.gif

Fruit trees are great eco systems - attracting ants, musang, bats, flying fox, squirels etc etc that in turn attracts snakes, owl, eagles etc etc quite interesting if you like to observe wild life but can be distressing when some of them starts to make their way into your BH.





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post Feb 21 2011, 09:53 PM

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Hi Jackie,

From what I see so far, BH @ rubber plantation aren't doing well although initially, I do feel that rubber plantation and BH can mix well and should be encourage but then after abserving many failures @ rubber plantation, I feel that it must be the tapping of the rubber trees causing a very negative smell and unknown that the swiftlets don't like. Here, is for you guys to find out why or if I am wrong cos some place, rubber plantation BHs has thousand of nests due to the availability of mosquitoes in the rubber estate. Anyway, as long as mosquitoes stay in among the rubber trees, there isn't a way for the swiftlets to get to the mosquitoes.

Fruits trees like rambutan attract ants and red giant ants and bats. Tall fruit trees are good place for predators of swiftlets to wait and prey on the swiftlets in the BH. The swiftlets are helpless once they are inside the BH and are sitting ducks for the predators.
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You are right, the mosquitoes are unlikely to fly above the rubber plantation canopies and the swiftlets don't like to fly underneath the canopy so the mosquitoes in rubber plantations is unlikely to be a food source for the swiftlets. Even in oil palm plantations the swiftlets stays above the canopy to feed on insects.

The use of formic acids to coagulate the latex in some of the plantations causes a strong pungent smell and the swiftlets might not like it. So maybe those BH in plantations that regularly process rubber may not do well. There is no smell from the latex but since we are not swiftlet we may not be able to detect some of the scents that they don't like.


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post Mar 15 2011, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Mar 14 2011, 03:59 PM)

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How to judge success and failure? Just do counting on the returning birds in the late evening and can estimate number of nests. Tat's what both buyers and thieves do the same
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Anyway, no offense to all for rocking the boat. icon_rolleyes.gif
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my 2 sen worth.... another measure of success is when you start to get a decent ROI - return on investment from your BH brows.gif

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post May 7 2011, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ May 6 2011, 11:39 PM)
Why do we have to pay for fruit flies when we can easily attract ourselves.

Fruit fly hormone is easily available and if sprayed around your BH will attract fruit flies for miles around.

Plant fruit trees like papaya, starfruit, and any rotting vegetable and fruit etc. to attract and breed fruit flies all year round.  Mature Oil palm will also attract them.

So, why pay.
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fruits will also attract other unwelcome guests like bats, musang, ants etc best is still to keep your BH relative free of fruits and rotting stuffs and let your birds fly far and wide for their insects.

The fruit flies don't fly very far from the fruits and they don't fly very high unless carried by air current. So you have to find a way to get those fruit flies to be flying around your BH in order to attract the birds. I am not sure if it is worth the effort.

For a BH to be producing 10 Kg nests a month, you would need to produce about 30Kg of insects per day as each bird need about 5gm insects per day. So how viable is captive breeding for the purpose of producing nests? Imagine having 6000 birds flying around in a netted area with pellet blowers mimicking flying insects. It would be a sight to behold.

And of course whenever there is a constant direct human/animal contact there is always a risk of cross species viral infection like poultry farms etc.

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post May 26 2011, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(swiftletasia @ May 24 2011, 09:21 AM)
Greetings to all members:

We are launching 20 units of 3 storey  semi-d swiftlet farm in sarawak. Area consider No 1 in swiftlet farming as well as best quality of bird nest produced.
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Price start from        : RM 298,000
Loan up to               : 50%(Loan from Developer)
Repayment              : 10 years w/o interest

Booking fee : RM 5,000
Legal fee : waived
Free maintenace : 10 years
Buy back option : 5 years ( RM 432,000)
Lisence : Yes
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* Each buyer are entitle to 6 time complimentary stay at our resorts.

Please feel free to call or email us for details:

Hp: 010 - 98188 29

Email: swiftletasia@hotmail.com

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Your offer is worth considering and some of my friends asked me to help them to assess. The main question I have is - what do I own at the end of the day when I have fully paid up - birds or no birds at all.

In the past in Semanunjung, there were many developments whereby Loans were arranged directly with the developer, ie. buyers pay developer the installment direct and not to a financial institution. Many house owners diligently pay the developer over the years till completion of their installments. Then the owners start to chase for their titles only to find out that the main title has been charged to a bank for a loan taken by the developer. Subdivision of the title cannot be done as the bank is holding the main title until and unless the developer has fully pay up the loan. This causes a delay but this is not the problem.

The problem is when the developer defaults on the loan for whatever reasons - eg. insolvency etc. (not saying that your developer would smile.gif )The bank then lelong off the main title cheap to a happy new landlord and the whole property now belong to the new landlord. The "house owners" refuse to move out when issued eviction or rental payment notice by the new land owner. So every one is in a fix. The "house owner" does not own the house eventhough they have fully paid the instalment and were being chased out. The new landlord has bought himself a property that comes with a bunch of "squatters". This is not a hypothetical scenario but has actually happened and many still on stalemate situation.

I don't mean to pour cold water here but am genuinely interested to know what would I get at the end of the day? a BH that I own and can sell to anyone ?

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post May 27 2011, 07:46 AM

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Hi Tuckfook,

Investor will become shareholder who own the bird house which will be divided by lots. All owners have say on this matter. West Malaysian who had bought many lands in sarawak will have to caveat the said land, securing them from any misuse of charges the land to bank and so forth.

Disagreed totally when you say it will complicate legal issue. Nothing is complicate if you understand them clearly, since you are not cooperate lawyer, perhaps you should assign any lawyers to look in through this matter before investing therefor make you more understand the current offer as i won't waste my time to wait for investor to pay me back 10 years if it is not legal. I should have started with ( No loan rite) cash only. I think you know RM 149,000 is not even enough to cover the whole construction costs.

Nothing is permanent as even oneday petronas tower will also have to come down, we never know what will happen next. This remind me a case where even a listed company, " s@@@ D@@@ " also can got into scam business.

For the company we had set up " again as i said is merely to secure the land " and the company will not be use in any mean of buiness or otherwise.

Thanks for highlighting this ya. Indeed a good question

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It is not a matter of cash vs loan. Rather it is the usual due diligence before making a commitment/investment that is being pursue at this stage. Whether loan or cash there is still the need to have a clearer understanding of ownership and entitlement. Hope you bear with our directness.

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post Jul 11 2011, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(BirdNest_Satay @ Jul 11 2011, 05:25 PM)
Thank you very much for your reply.
To be honest, I am a little uncomfortable about posting my BH's plan in public.

Location is southern tip of peninsular malaysia. 3km away from a fishing town with ~300 BH.
You are correct that this BH is currently in the middle of a row of 21 shoplots. Half of them have top floors converted to BH and the same situation happens ... only 1-2 BH have significant number of birds.

My partner bought the EM to spray here as he have been using it in his other BH which produces harvests.
This BH's walls have not been applied with any commercial aroma products and I suppose EM is beneficial to BH as it "freshens" up the relatively stale air inside and prevents fungus. I do not recall seeing any online claims  of swiftlets being repelled by EM's scent but I did caution not to spray it close to the nesting planks.

From day1 in mid January, the BH was rushed into opening sound even when we have not acquired any internal sound as the pigeons were trying to enter the roof which was their breeding ground. Jan to March were plagued by problems with electricity and water supply. No renovation were done after opening sound and we only enter every 4-7 weeks to do simple check and change sound.
My partner have a few years of experience while I am a fresh newbie, so I  follow the steps he say.
There were pigeons standing on the dog kennel ledge and dropping their poop into the staircase airwell back in January to March.
The months where I used nail carpet matches the decline of swiftlet dropping growth.
Used in middle of March, removed it in late May. June was the monsoon season but I failed to take advantage of the opportunity.
Don't have any photo of it.
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Pidgeon nails unlikely to affect swiftlets. More likely to be high temperature. Not about EM, onthe one hand you want your new bh to smell like it is being occupied by thousands of swiftlets while on the other hand EM is suppose to remove all the smell

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