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 DIY eD A7s-650 subwoofer, Sub Completed. First Impresion.

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TSpierreye
post May 4 2010, 12:06 PM

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Yeah. I think he is eager to show me what EQ1 can do. I'll do a installation of 1 sub first and check out my room response. If I go twin sub, I think EQ1 would be a good option.
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post May 4 2010, 12:10 PM

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I'll go to Ikano now and check.
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post May 4 2010, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 4 2010, 12:06 PM)
Yeah. I think he is eager to show me what EQ1 can do. I'll do a installation of 1 sub first and check out my room response. If I go twin sub, I think EQ1 would be a good option.
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EQ1 is a good solution for those looking for multiple subs. But lets be fair, sealed sub are actually a little easier to equalize if u get the position correctly. Also they blend in better with the mains and is more difficult to localize.

However, I am actually a happy camper with the AS-EQ1. Its response is tighter and more accurate.

A word of warning, though, the velo in ur room is pretty darned good. It will take one heck of a sub with higher output and lower frequency capability to top that.
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post May 4 2010, 05:19 PM

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Btw, pls do let me know once the date for the shootout is being confirmed.

Pierreye, I will go to Home Fix on Thurs afternoon to look for it.
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post May 4 2010, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 4 2010, 05:14 PM)
EQ1 is a good solution for those looking for multiple subs. But lets be fair, sealed sub are actually a little easier to equalize if u get the position correctly. Also they blend in better with the mains and is more difficult to localize.

However, I am actually a happy camper with the AS-EQ1. Its response is tighter and more accurate.

A word of warning, though, the velo in ur room is pretty darned good. It will take one heck of a sub with higher output and lower frequency capability to top that.
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Spec wise I believe Velo DD-12 is 18hz to 120hz +-3db. SPL should be around 110db max. Advantage for Digital Drive series is the Servo feedback (adjustable) and built in EQ (something similar to SMS-1). A7s-650 measurement is 16hz to 100hz +-3db and able to exceed 115db. eD definitely will be better in terms of pure SPL and low extension. Not sure if it would be as musical as Velo sub without the servo feedback.


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post May 4 2010, 11:13 PM

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Bro Pierreye, if studios start adopting 25Hz filter for future releases, we can ditch all our subs for a normal subwoofer that can produce usable output at 25Hz is more than enough.

I had wrote an e-mail to Fox Video about my disappointment on the 25Hz filter in Avatar as well as to Warner Bro (since it acquired New Line) for LOTR. I did a brief test on ROTK when they are being ambushed by those mammoths. My DVD ver (DTS ES6.1) has better LFE than the BD doh.gif I will do more comparison.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 4 2010, 09:48 PM)
Spec wise I believe Velo DD-12 is 18hz to 120hz +-3db. SPL should be around 110db max. Advantage for Digital Drive series is the Servo feedback (adjustable) and built in EQ (something similar to SMS-1). A7s-650 measurement is 16hz to 100hz +-3db and able to exceed 115db. eD definitely will be better in terms of pure SPL and low extension. Not sure if it would be as musical as Velo sub without the servo feedback.
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can't wait to hear your comparison for a DIY (even when it's semi DIY it's still DIY in my book) sub against a commercial sub.
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post May 5 2010, 10:35 AM

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if only we can get O-Audio BASH 500w Plate Amps locally.. >:)
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post May 5 2010, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(ah_chak @ May 5 2010, 10:35 AM)
if only we can get O-Audio BASH 500w Plate Amps locally.. >:)
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there are other variant of sub amps that have enough power to drive a sub whom parts are available locally. smile.gif
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Thanks to htkaki helping me to source for titebond II but too bad it is not available in Malaysia. I just ordered from Amazon and hopefully can arrive together with the subwoofer kit.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 6 2010, 08:23 PM)
Thanks to htkaki helping me to source for titebond II but too bad it is not available in Malaysia. I just ordered from Amazon and hopefully can arrive together with the subwoofer kit.
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Bro, so sorry that I could not find it for you. Ace and Home Fix do not have it. Instead of TiteBond, they recommend TitanBond doh.gif Mostly Bostwik or Selley products.
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post May 7 2010, 09:33 AM

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More ciplak goods here. Watch out for China SWS subwoofer smile.gif
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post May 7 2010, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 7 2010, 09:33 AM)
More ciplak goods here. Watch out for China SWS subwoofer smile.gif
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Btw, the new sealed subs; SB series will be launched soon. More info by today or tomorrow.

There will be 5 models; SB10-NSD, SB12-NSD, SB12-Plus, SB13-Plus and the flagship SB16-Ultra with better technology in its driver.

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post May 7 2010, 11:11 AM

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pierreye, actually the locally available wood glue will do the trick. I built a few small speakers with it, with good clamp, you will get good solid attachment too.

Do the sub package you get comes with screws as well ?

One of the way to make sure its tight fitting is to use silicone seal inside the sub cabinet on all joints. Its a sure tight fit.
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post May 7 2010, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(peter32 @ May 7 2010, 11:11 AM)
pierreye, actually the locally available wood glue will do the trick.  I built a few small speakers with it, with good clamp, you will get good solid attachment too. 

Do the sub package you get comes with screws as well ?

One of the way to make sure its tight fitting is to use silicone seal inside the sub cabinet on all joints.  Its a sure tight fit.
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I just don't want to take any risk with local glue as I'm not sure which one is good quality. Also some glue will grow weak with moisture. I'm going to use braid gun to nail the panel instead of screw.
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post May 7 2010, 11:23 AM

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Imagine the cabinet being blown wide upon while testing a bass intense scene if the glue being the Achilles' heel sweat.gif ......

Btw, OT a bit.... I am planning to build a PB12-Plus by using the acrylic panel just to show fellow visitors during KLIAV show. It might not resemble the original look but probably close to it. I had a friend that could help me out on that but have to check on the cost to cut and build such cabinet.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 7 2010, 11:23 AM)
Btw, OT a bit.... I am planning to build a PB12-Plus by using the acrylic panel just to show fellow visitors during KLIAV show. It might not resemble the original look but probably close to it. I had a friend that could help me out on that but have to check on the cost to cut and build such cabinet.
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That would be cool. An 'inside look' at SVS smile.gif
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post May 7 2010, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 4 2010, 05:14 PM)
EQ1 is a good solution for those looking for multiple subs. But lets be fair, sealed sub are actually a little easier to equalize if u get the position correctly. Also they blend in better with the mains and is more difficult to localize.

However, I am actually a happy camper with the AS-EQ1. Its response is tighter and more accurate.

A word of warning, though, the velo in ur room is pretty darned good. It will take one heck of a sub with higher output and lower frequency capability to top that.
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does an AS-EQ1 help tune just 1 sub? do u have to keep the sub plugged into EQ1 for it to be continually eq'ed or it can be tuned once then that's it?? i wonder if u can help tune my sunfire.... hmm.gif
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post May 7 2010, 03:53 PM

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It's a 'piggyback device'. EQ1 needs to be switched on during movie playback as all the necessary data / calculation are being stored in it.


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mmm..... meaning my sub cannot be eq? tongue.gif

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