QUOTE(O-haiyo @ May 14 2010, 01:41 PM)
As I have said, it's true we can't do anything on the fees, but we agreed to it. Why? I think you know why.
On Fletcher, maybe me memories failed me. I cant recalled Fletcher being highly rated. On Carrick, yes he does not have a good season but at least we know that he's good, just that he lost form. I got no problem with Carrick. I can't say the same thing about Berba, I havent seen anything that is convincing.
Acceptance is one thing, but are we gonna sit tight and do nothing? But I agreed some post here on Berba is nasty.
About the Love Analogy.
I do not love Berba, I love Manchester United!

When I gave the analogy, I meant love for United. Non performing players = bad side of United?

QUOTE(joshtlk @ May 14 2010, 01:54 PM)
enough said, i think after all the season has ended. And of course, all united fans would wish that berbatov could do better for us next season, but some have already lost faith in him. time after time he has failed us, i could not remember when was the last time he stood up, and run the attack and score for us. I think all united fans would agree that his first season with us was much better, but carrying a 30M price tag behind ur back aint easy. So at the end of the day, we just hope that he gets better. and then hit top form like he used to in spurs. All the best to berbatov!!!
Good post!
QUOTE(Joga_Bonito @ RedCafe)
Carrick is largely a victim of doing well the things that are not immediately noticeable, unless you are looking for them. People have disagreed with me before about this idea, and perhaps I am wrong, but it appears intuitively obvious to me that certain actions on a football pitch are more likely to come to the attention of people watching a live match (which is the crucial point). Even football programs tend to highlight players who score a goal, or perhaps defenders who head the ball or make crunching last ditch tackles, at the expense of those who do things consistently and effectively throughout a match, but which isn't particularly remarkable (however important).
For example, the two things that are most prevalent throughout almost every game are short passes and interceptions. Every player, no matter there position or abilities, likely does these things most during a game. So, it's not hard to imagine that a player who just so happens to do the two very well is not going to attract the kind of attention that they perhaps deserve, particularly if they aren't outstanding.
It would be interesting to find out what kinds of things most people do notice during games, and whether they can really tell the difference between a player that does fairly unremarkable things like short passing and intercepting really well, as opposed to just well or average.
This is not to say that Carrick has been consistent at what he does well in the time that he has been at the club. I tend to agree that in the season that has just ended his level had dropped to some extent. But it's interesting to note that some of the things that people are criticizing him for are one-off, though obviously very important, mistakes. That is probably only natural, of course, but it's important to admit that it can't simply be applied to his game as a whole, unless there is evidence to suggest that it can.
Finally, while I would tend to agree that Carrick isn't an outstanding footballer, you can't just dismiss his contribution to three Premier League titles, a European Cup, and a second European Final, while operating in the most important position on the field. That means something, even if we can't immediately put our finger on what exactly that something is.
The major criticism that I would have is that he has never appeared to take responsibility for the role that he should have in the team. When he first arrived, it did appear that he was more comfortable allowing Scholes to take the responsibility of controlling the midfield through ball retention, but that could have been because he was new to the club. As the seasons have progressed, however, and as Scholes has become less influential in terms of game time, it does appear that he might not have it in him to take on the responsibility that any central midfielder at a club like United clearly has. How important this is in the grand scheme of things, I really don't know.
So, while I would certainly agree that we might be able to find a better, more influential player to take on the responsibility alongside Fletcher (who certainly does that, already), I'm not convinced that it should necessarily be the end of Carrick's time at United. If we are lacking a creative player who can operate in the center of midfield, as most agree, it doesn't make sense to get rid of one of the three defensive minded (though they all do much more) players, particularly when one of them hasn't played for nearly two years.
Great post!!!