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post Jul 13 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(huyified @ Jul 13 2010, 10:43 AM)
i love my speed

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post Jul 15 2010, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(brian12988 @ Jul 15 2010, 12:13 PM)
they aint gonna pay if they break ur roof.. laugh.gif
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post Jul 15 2010, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(gsJackMin @ Jul 15 2010, 01:59 PM)
im not sure if this is normal or not.... but this is the speed ive been getting since i install unifi few days ago. ive been doin speedtest.net for every few hours for the past 2 days and tis is the speed it shows?? my package is VIP5......
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You're the second person who has posted here on VIP5 with a misconfigured account ._. Damn TM is burning bandwidth lol
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post Jul 17 2010, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(lamode @ Jul 17 2010, 04:05 PM)
Can we directly connect WRT54GL (3rd party firmware) to the BTU without using the router that provided by TM and keep the IPTV?
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It depends on the level of VLAN support your router has while running dd-wrt.. but it most cases, no. In many dd-wrt router implementations, VLAN support is half-broken. Which means although you can run the PPPoE connection through the appropriate VLAN, there is no setting which will allow you to bridge the IPTV VLAN onto its own physical port with the proper configuration. That makes it nearly impossible to have a proper Internet + IPTV implementation on a dd-wrt firmware router.
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post Jul 17 2010, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jul 17 2010, 05:21 PM)
You won't be building FTTH in kampungs anytime and those who live in highrise buildings still use copper to deliver Unifi utilizing VDSL2 tech.

Things to also note. Did you notice what kind of wiring is used to connect your Unifi fiber ONT to your router and also to the network card of your pc?
They are made of copper too.

Until one day fiber is pulled directly to the network card of your pc, they'll still call this fiber to the premise(FTTP)

Unifi 20mbps is nothing to shout about anyway. Copper can still do that if TM were wiser to start replacing those old phone switches with remote fiber fed phone cabinets.Instead they only went and spend most of the money building their FTTH networks only in a handful of areas.
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Fiber to the premise is a generalization of fiber to the home/building. In this case, the Fiber termination unit is placed within your home in your workspace so its considered to be FTTH.

We're still very far away from having fiber pulled directly to your network card, simply because Ethernet over Cat6 already supports speeds up to 1Gbps. You can plug the current Unifi connection into your PC but you would have to then use that PC as a router + it would need to have a PCI card with the same protocol and configuration being used on the Unifi network.

It would be like using an internal ADSL card modem for your PC. There's no point to it.. it's good that they've implemented it this way.

You can't possibly compare external 2-wire copper wiring to internet Cat5/6 copper cabling. The external wiring in my area is so burnt out and broken from 30 years+ of lightning strikes, even if TM placed a DSL modulator 30 meters from my house I wouldn't be able to receive 10mbps. If they were to replace all this copper wiring, might as well start replacing it completely with fiber right?
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post Jul 17 2010, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jul 17 2010, 06:39 PM)
Understand that Unifi only offers upto 20mbps speeds which is nothing to shout about. VDSL2 can do even better at 0.5km with similar upload speeds.
Yes they should start replacing all the copper wiring from nearby phone switches to fiber fed cabinets/remote DSLAMs before thinking of FTTH to speed things up.It doesn't take much to convert to FTTH from here once you build a extensive fiber network just like many countries like Australia, Thailand and even South Korea did from their humble start.

It costs way more to pull fiber straight to your door than to nearby phone boxes. With ADSL2+, getting 16mbps is not an issue within 300m radius.Heck, even at 1km you can still get 10mbps with ease.
50mbps is possible with VDSL2+, given VDSL2+ and ADSL2+ can work together with ITU standards.
There's even a never VDSL2+ tech which could bring your speeds upto 300mbps using a phantom pair between 2 pairs coupled together.

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Unfortunately, I live about 4-5km from the exchange at which point ADSL2 can barely reach 4mbps without dc-ing non stop.

QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jul 17 2010, 06:39 PM)
How many of you guys could get REAL 100mbps connectivity to your homes yet at this point? 
That's a good reason why Singapore isn't even hurrying on their OpenNet launch.
They're aiming for a correct model for open access instead.
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I can. Easily hit 10.5MB/s up/down simultaneously on uTorrent. That's the highest speed I've seen using this infrastructure and I'm sure it's only limited by the hardware being used at the moment. I'm sure its the same for everyone else since its all fiber optics at this point. Another reason I'm not too into copper is because I live in an area that gets struck by lightning every single time there's a storm.

I don't know why you're complaining about them not using copper when it can achieve 20mbps.. then you're saying 20mbps isn't much? Unifi can already hit 100mbps+, they're just not releasing it yet. There's no way in hell VDSL2 can give everyone 200mbps+ of total throughput with stability in the future over copper wiring unlike what Unifi is capable of delivering now. I'm sure it will follow in the footsteps of Streamyx with the automatic upgrading of everyone to 10/20/40mbps in the future when they have enough users.
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post Jul 17 2010, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jul 17 2010, 07:24 PM)
They are not releasing it yet and it is not going to be released anytime soon. By opting for VDSL2 for high rise buildings this hints that a 100mbps package is still years away from being released.

By the way VDSL2 is a direct P2P connection unlike GPON which splices a lead fiber upto 32DPs.Your lead fiber only allows upto 2.4GBps of bandwidth to be shared among all the splicing being done.It pretty much works like a cable modem where high fluctuations are expected to occur during congested hours.

VDSL2 is a direct connection which allows guaranteed bandwidth to the port which your phone cable is connected to.
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What does bandwidth have to do with the way the physical system is structured? You say VDSL2 is a 'direct connection' so its somehow better but its usage in high rise buildings indicate that a 100mbps package is still far away? They would still use fiber optics to feed the VDSL2 access point with bandwidth and you'd have bandwidth contention there.

Dial up can be a direct connection yet its protocol is limited to 56kbps. Whats the point? Fiber is simply better over copper for long distance communication. You have more multiplexing methods to increase the capacity of a fiber optic line compared to a copper based system. I'm pretty sure the 2.4gbps is a limitation of the modulation and multiplexing being used.

Why should they waste our money by slowly rolling out VDSL2 then FTTH? If they put out VDSL, you guys would complain 20mbps is too low (if its even achievable). Now they're putting out fiber optic cabling which can already hit 100mbps and be upgraded over the decades with newer technology which uses the same medium .. you're saying it's a step backwards?

The only issue with this new fiber optic network is that it's going to be a closed network for quite some time which would limit competition. Its pretty decent in terms of the physical medium being utilized.
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post Jul 17 2010, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Jul 17 2010, 08:33 PM)
It's all about economical feasibility. When you can bring fiber as close as 0.5km to most premises you could save considerably instead of pulling the fiber directly into buildings.You wouldn't see much difference between the 2 solutions because TM won't be offering speeds beyond 100mbps for years to come as proven by their step of choosing VDSL2 for some high rise buildings. TM is just wasting lots of money doing so and only limit the service availability to only a handful of areas while still calling it a commercial rollout. They could have saved considerably by just using remote DSLAMs fed with fiber all over the country in urban areas and major cities for the time being.When time comes where they choose to offer speeds exceeding 100mbps one day, all the need is to extend the already extensive fiber network to inside homes instead.

You mentioned copper could no where compete with pure fiber but is there a need at this moment?The speeds being offered could also be offered by copper phone wires with minor modifications to roadside phone switches. How long would other people have to wait for FTTH to arrive at other cities should they maintain at this pace of rollout?

We are already way behind even our neighboring countries where 16mbps DSL is already rollout to the mass. They even have 50mbps packages in metro areas.

You may want to know how much cost savings can VDSL2 offer compared to a FTTH setup.
It's way cheaper. No need to pull new wiring, just your plain existing copper phone wiring will do as modifications are kept within the remote DSLAM cabinet. The modems are similar priced to ADSL2+ modems which are widely available in the market.
In years to come should the need arise to upgrade beyond 100mbps or 1gbps, their fiber network should be extensive enough to justify such upgrades while cost of equipment drops over time.
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And what would we know about economic feasibility if we're not the ones making the actual investment? I'm sure it has been put on the table before that TM wanted to use VDSL2 but in the end they went with fiber optics instead. I'm sure that as a telecommunications company, they would ultimately know which medium to go with.

The fact of the matter is that even 20mbps is considered 'slow' by our standards nowadays. How long would you have to wait if they did a VDSL followed by pure fiber rollout? You'd get your 10-16mbps for now but you'd have to wait another decade or so before you even see 20mbps-1gbps. And no, it's not just minor modifications needed if the current telephone wiring can't even deliver 4mbps with stability. They would have to replace already existing copper wiring which has oxidized and been damaged over the years, causing service interruptions to your Streamyx and phone lines.

This, along with additional debugging that's required because copper lines using xDSL always have a physical link sync issue for some reason. There's a lot of work to be done and it's not as easy as you make it sound.

I would rather wait a year or two and get FTTH which will be usable for the next quarter of a century or so rather than go through two physical medium upgrades just to satisfy a temporary lust for 10mbps+ broadband.
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post Jul 19 2010, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(axtray @ Jul 18 2010, 11:18 PM)
sigh the wifi connection dropping from the router is killing me. tm ppl came to the house and change a new unit of the router and later came again and decided to put the blame on my pc's torrent configuration crap. the thing is even if im not torrenting im still disconnecting and now even ps3 online gaming is getting more and more tedious.

and rizvarnp i can't seem to use my own router by following your guide. the router's configuration is somewhat different from what i see from the guide. help please..?
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If you're using the DIR-615 with firmware version 7.05 and are logged into the 'operator' account, my guide will work fine. If you're using the DIR-615 with firmware 7.05 but you're logged into the 'admin' account, the options you need will be missing.

QUOTE(soundguy @ Jul 19 2010, 03:24 PM)
i am having the same drop line issues... and i hardly torrent... so is this an common problem with the DIR-615?
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And yes, the wifi dropping thing is a common issue with the DIR-615. It's been around for a few months already.. just look way back and you'll see another user complaining about how it's dropping his VPN connections over wifi. Not to mention the chipset they're using in the router has terrible wifi range. I think rogue suggested you lower the transmit power to 50% and set it to wifi-B/G mode only for some better quality or something.. but the best solution would be to use your own WiFi router or hook up your WiFi router to the LAN port on the DIR-615 (after disabling your own router's DHCP server + changing its IP to something other than 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0) to act as a wifi hotspot.
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QUOTE(mikoblackcat @ Jul 19 2010, 04:40 PM)
As for today... mu UNIFI is still down for 1 BLOODY WEEK!!!!!

I got call from TM asking me to reboot the equipment last friday but I wasn't at home. Today, I came back I rebooted the equipment as instructed.. to my horror.. the TM DLink now is officially down! The power linght remain "orange".

Called CS they ask me to wait again...
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Is your VOIP phone working?
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post Jul 19 2010, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(mikoblackcat @ Jul 19 2010, 10:14 PM)
Anyone here managed to use your own router to replace the FUGLY DIR-635??
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Yep, many people
QUOTE(mikoblackcat @ Jul 19 2010, 05:45 PM)
Yupp.. my VOIP Phone is working.. only Internet and IPTV is down...
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Looks like only your DIR-615 is broken then sad.gif

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post Jul 21 2010, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Chaossisxy @ Jul 21 2010, 07:29 PM)
i just got my unifi install on monday. haven't figure out how to use the port forwarding sad.gif anybody can give me some guide?


Added on July 21, 2010, 7:40 pm

i set it as rizvanrp mentioned in the V4 thread but not working la... hmmm..... i did something wrong hmm.gif
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Is this your screenshot or mine? 192.168.0.77 has to be your own PCs LAN address.. in my network configuration, 192.168.0.77 was my PCs IP which I set manually.. check yours by running the 'ipconfig' command in the command prompt. It's best to assign your PC a static IP because DHCP can break port forwarding if it assigns you with a different IP address than what you have set.

14355 has to be the value of the port you want to forward, its different for every application and application configuration
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QUOTE(yoda @ Jul 25 2010, 10:25 PM)
which area of puchong u from? ur ping a bit high to kl.....shud be ~10+ ms
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QUOTE(acad615 @ Jul 25 2010, 11:09 PM)
Guys I followed rizvans guide to use another router with dir-615 as vlan bridge, it worked for 15 minutes and it's dead again now, dir-615 just wouldn't start, it has this blue light by the side and that's all. I am gettin too frustrated bout it, it's the 8th day I subscribed and 4th day it did not work. Is there by chance a router that can totally replace the dir-615, and works perfectly with iptv as well as the hsbb. I've called tm for a router replacement, but if they're gonna replace me with that crap, I better off get a better one for myself. Stress...
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A smart switch with VLAN support or pfsense/endian/ddwrt/linux based router should be able to replace the DIR-615 completely. As for IPTV, that depends on the replacement unit itself. Anything that fully supports VLAN tagging and priority settings should be able to replace the DIR-615 for Internet + IPTV use.

Sounds like your DIR-615 is faulty anyway

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