They can change as many socket as they want, but I am gonna use my PC for at least 5 years.

If u are not into imaging/gaming/development. I cannot see a reason to upgrade PC. Even if u still need some gaming to burn some of ur time, u can go back to the classic arcade, they are just as good in game play.

Infact the only good new thing fancy me is the low power Fanless PC. Atom isnt that "fast enough" for everyday general use yet. I am still waiting for it to get faster.

This post has been edited by billytong: Apr 23 2010, 10:25 AM

With the size of the HDD these days + the hot swap ESata, USB HDD, it is hard to find a reason to run multiple HDD other than RAID. Lets not forget one need to buy bigger PSU/Casing to run many HDD, and then backup HDD is best to keep in bookselfs than running it on PC letting it wear and tear. I got 5 backup HDDs in my drawer now. but I am only have 1 running on each of my PCs

This post has been edited by billytong: Apr 23 2010, 06:01 PM

Well tbh there is an advantage of being in same socket, such as I can use back my old CPU until the new one drop its price, for me it makes no reason to pay the premium to intel when u can get the same product cheaper months later.

Magnificent isnt it? I am on Pentium D 2.66GHz now, I mobo died(support up to 3.6GHz Pentium D only), got a new mobo, use back the DDR2, put back my old Pentium D, work like charm..... so are my graphic card, everything else.

And now my new limit is Core 2 Quad/Quad extreme, which is a huge performance jump from my Pentium D. Can I upgrade it now? no, CPU are known to last longer and less problem than mobo. May be 2years later the Core 2 Quad might only cost RM100-200. I'll let someone to bare the depreciation.

So the fact is socket change is never beneficial to customer only the manufacturer.

At first thanks for the recommendation of the Celeron and Pentium processor. I am very well aware that they are faster than my silly Pentium D. But no, I am more happily to take Core 2 Quad for <RM200 2 years later. my pentium D is fast enough to my everyday job it is idle mostly due to I am only using web surfing, light applications.

IMO, the practicality of new improvement is really depends on individual. Unlike olden days where every gen of CPU actually make ur daily task faster. Right now if u are not dealing with Multimedia Editing, VideoGames even a 5 years old PC can still do a decent job without any lagging.

for example
Sata 3.0 is overrated, HDD are not gonna be using all that bandwidth, they are not fast enough for even Sata 2. USB3.0? I dont often use my external HDD. It is only the external HDD that is bottleneck by the USB transfer speed.

I think my only concern is the reliability of a motherboard. Because if a old motherboard is down, every old standard/socket devices you have become unusable with any new motherboard. (I got 3 AGP gfx cards in my drawer now after 4 dead motherboards ) Thankfully the new motherboard are coming with good quality component, solid cap/mosfet etc. or whatever gimmicks things they are selling now, at least they are more reliable than the older generations.

Yes, software need to catch up, so until the software can come up something useful like 99% reliable voice recognition(the old keyboard/mouse combo need to be gone), language translator or a computer that think for u. (AI), that I need a powerful CPU to do it. Then may be I might be paying RM1000+ for a CPU. Right now I think there is no way I will pay> RM250 for a CPU, the same could say for GPU, HDD, optical drives etc.

I dont think I would bother paying the huge premium for SSD Besides, my HDD is idle 90% of the time, so the upgrade to SSD wont make any diff.

tbh, it is all the same, software need to catch up.

Right now having many core is pretty pointless unless we chasing every new game that comes out.

For non-hardware gamer like me, multicore more than dual core is more like bragging rights. Really pointless now.

May be it is time to have virtual PC where 1 PC is commonly shared by whole family with each family member having a dumb terminal.

Well, it is still pointless despite even after optimized. How would a daily internet surfing, office documents, youtube, watch movies, music can use up quad core? Even dual core is hard be full use. Unless u are dealing with gaming or multimedia it is pretty hard to make use of it.

Have u guys seen CSI? those computer screen with 3D interface really shine. We have this in window yet? not even window blinds come close..

I would buy a 6 core for that if Microsoft really make a window look like that. And we dont even have window that incorporate some AI to think for us. I need to open my web browser with my eye focus, can i do that? yes. Nintendo Wii have motion sensor that is quick enough without delays, so it is plotable to PC too. When I type a forum reply like this i shouldnt even type all my characters, my PC will read what I type and able to predict what I am going to say & type my words for me. When u put all this fancy features in, u can expect people start jumping the fastest processor they can buy again like when they did in Pentium 1/2 Era.

This post has been edited by billytong: Jul 22 2010, 08:15 PM

50w doesnt not allow you to run on Fanless PSU, fanless heatsink.

I'am looking for a ITX casing PC that is fast enough for basic use without fans may be even SSD, and stay below 100w & does not have huge Heatsink/heatpipe. Can celeron do that? No. So Celeron is a piece of shit for me for these kind of task.

Atom now may not be quick, but may be another 2-3years it will be quick enough for HD movies, basic web-surfing, flash games, word processing. I am looking forward on that thing.

Throw away gaming and photo editing out of window then u dont need all these cpu power.


On the other hand, I am looking forward on this Sandy bridge for my power usage.

Most likely I will get a PC next year which is base on Sandy bridge. I am skipping the core i series. Jumping from Pentium D

So I am guessing 6 cores is not going to be mainstream anytime soon. More like limited to extreme edition only....

Oh btw, I do not understand why Intel still brand Pentium as low end. Why cant they cut that silly brand name. Change it to i1. It is easier for consumer.

This post has been edited by billytong: Aug 11 2010, 07:05 PM

When it come out? I going to buy a set of new PC. Bulldozer seems launch date to be too far away. Cant really wait lol

So I am guessing the 8 core Sandy are not available in LGA1155?

No 8 cores, no 6 cores, thats kinda disappointing for a next generation architecture. Especially it only offer 10% extra clock for clock performance.

K is multiplier unlocked, S is low voltage CPU, T is ultra low voltage CPU. it is easy to guess from the table alone.

What I hope is the Ivy bridge will not require a chipset change, and actually come out with 6-8 core for LGA1155.

EDIT : fixed typo. Because I am too amd.....

it is typo, it should be "and" not amd.

This post has been edited by billytong: Oct 31 2010, 07:43 PM

It is a waste of money TBH, people who buy i7 is most likely enthusiasts using P67 chipset which doesnt support onchip graphic.

it is unnecessary now, because the latest Radeon 6800 series consume as little as 19w when idle. What I am saying is why would Intel disable the display capability on P67 chipset, when it could have been use as a backup display card, especially since it is onchip(CPU) now, it doesnt add any extra cost nor affecting the chipset overclockability.

Was thinking of Bulldozer too but they suck on release date. I am not gonna wait for another year to get it. Sandy bridge is around the corner. I am going to stick with Intel. Besides there is a possibility that Sandy bridge mobo can support up to future Ivy Bridge CPU. Something like Nehelem & Westmare.

When Sandy bridge out + high end mobo out, if AMD are still not out, then I will be Sandy bridge customer. It is not like bulldozer will be 25-30% faster than sandy bridge. infatc the benchmark not even out. Who ever out first get my money. It seems Sandy bridge is winning this time

It wont be cheap, probably like what when Nehelem first launch & nehelem will be replacing the 775 market. Intel will send 775 platform to Museum.

But AMD's late launch on bulldozer is really pushing my patient limit. I dont think I can wait that long. I was planning to get Nehelem CPUs, but I held up a bit for sandy, I dont think I can push back further lol

This post has been edited by billytong: Nov 5 2010, 09:03 PM

i5 2500K should be RM7XX. This is the one that should be interesting. Minus the hyper treading from i7 2600K + minus 100Mhz only but u get it minus RM300.

Sandy 4 cores with K gonna give those 1366 socket 4 core i7 a really hard time.

AMD should start cutting price already, their Phenom X4 BE selling is starting to get ridiculous.

I am more interested in the old platform price such as 775, 1156, AM3. if Sandy is about 5-10% faster than Nehelem clock for clock. @ 3.3GHz @ RM7xx. It is really making all old platform unattractive. Even the i5 2300 @ 2.8GHz selling @ RM4xx could have out perform i5 760, AMD 965 BE.