now intel really make consumer blur.... LGA1156 then LGA1155... LGA1366 then LGA2011...

seem like AMD still economic... AM3 socket still can use x6....

but of cos AMD processor still lose to intel...

duno which path shud i upgrade...

Well tbh there is an advantage of being in same socket, such as I can use back my old CPU until the new one drop its price, for me it makes no reason to pay the premium to intel when u can get the same product cheaper months later.

i beg to differ..
it will give ppl more option..

most of the time ppl worry about performance..
and most of the time they donno how to utilize it..

more worst paying without knowing..

Intel has been doing that (LGA1366 and LGA1156) ever since integrating the memory controller into the processor. LGA775 still the longest socket around and as for the upgade path, the highest supported is Core 2 Extreme QX9770 which is still a pretty fast processor already (examples: Core 2 Extreme QX9770 vs Phenom II X4 965 and Core 2 Extreme QX9770 vs Core i5 750) unless Intel decides to releases the six core monstrous Dunnington (from server size).

Except for LGA775 generation (Prescott, Cedar Mill, Presler, Conroe, Allendale, Kentsfield, Wolfdale and Yorkfield).

Anyway, noticed this yesterday on Youtube: Intel's Future Chip Design Codenamed Sandy Bridge, IDF 2010



Atom no fast for "general usage"? I don't think that would be too "general" unless you are referring to something specific task? Normal usage such as web browsing, word processing, spreadsheets, flash content, multimedia, etc.. runs fine with the Atom. The only task that the Atom will have some issues would be 1080p videos (which would be solved by using NVIDIA ION's platform) and games (possibly the only thing that Atom doesn't fare that well, even with NVIDIA's ION GeForce 9300/9400 integrated solution).

Yups, but ocassionaly that really depends on the board design (especially the VRM) and manufacturer's BIOS support. For example: fancy this ASRock ConRoe865PE which is using ancient Intel 865PE chipset (from Socket-478 generation) and supports Core 2 Duo processors.

Do note that AM2 and AM2+ processors cannot be used on AM3 socket. However older LGA775 processors can be used on newer motherboards (provided that the manufacturer has BIOS support, example: ASRock P45XE).

Please show me a Intel LGA775 processor working on a Intel Socket 1156. You said can work on newer motherboards.

I bet this will be taken off soon by the moderator. Prove me wrong by keeping the post.

This post has been edited by Piros: Apr 28 2010, 11:54 AM

LoL obviously non of the LGA775 processor will works on LGA1156..didnt heard any backward compatible on these current socket neither support the memory controller by the LGA775 itself..HuhU

This post has been edited by Hiruka: Apr 28 2010, 12:33 PM

You must be too dumb to check the post that I've replied to, as well as examine my replies properly. Tell me if there is any Socket-754, Socket-939 and Socket AM2/AM2+ processor that can be used on newer AM3 motherboards? All that while Intel is still using LGA775, and even those older LGA775 Pentium4 can be used on newer LGA775 motherboards (including those with DDR3 memory support).

Most of your posts are "flame baits", telling others being "ignorant" which definitely will end up in the trash bin (after looking back into your posting history), even this post itself. As for the "ignorance" of people still buying Intel when AMD had the advantage then you should be aware that majority of normal PC buyers and corporate/business IT purchases usually bought branded PCs which are mostly "Intel inside". Many of them don't even know what's inside. Why do you think AMD wanted the Dell account? Your statement "the i series from Intel are meant for workstations not desktop" is obviously one big fat lie itself..

I was replying to raist86 about his LGA775 upgrade path and jinaun on socket changes with every processor microarchitecture, and its not about LGA775 being backward compatible with LGA1155 or LGA1156. Very obviously Piros did not bother to read properly (I think the word ignorant is what best describes that).

This post has been edited by lex: Apr 28 2010, 02:32 PM

Maybe you could wait till Q 2011 and see. I'm another lga 775 user. Well, it's worth the wait. By that time, direct x 11 newer cards would be out and better 32nm proc would be available.

I believe we come to the point (except for gaming, rendering, etc.) where the technology is overkill for normal usage. Seeing ppl buying i5 for movieing and normal surfing. Lots of money.

i bought i5 is bcoz q9550 very expensive, and e8400 hard to find liao

Yeah i just want to highlight him for the things that obviously wont happen..No further argue should take part nor provocation shud be made..

This post has been edited by Hiruka: Apr 28 2010, 02:39 PM

Magnificent isnt it? I am on Pentium D 2.66GHz now, I mobo died(support up to 3.6GHz Pentium D only), got a new mobo, use back the DDR2, put back my old Pentium D, work like charm..... so are my graphic card, everything else.

And now my new limit is Core 2 Quad/Quad extreme, which is a huge performance jump from my Pentium D. Can I upgrade it now? no, CPU are known to last longer and less problem than mobo. May be 2years later the Core 2 Quad might only cost RM100-200. I'll let someone to bare the depreciation.

So the fact is socket change is never beneficial to customer only the manufacturer.

that's the reason why i bought celeron E3300 n g41 mobo last week..
it's nice though the youngest 45nm siblings..
now on 3.3ghz due to no proper cooling..
i bet can push more.. maybe 4ghz.. can get both with <rm350..

You can always buy a lesser quad and overclock which helps. Well, still we do follow recommendations eh. Everyone been giving good reviews about i5. Even mod lex uses it.

Nobody knows exactly how long 775 socket would stay but I think it won't be soon. Almost every low budget intel and some mid stream users still use 775 socket. Good thing their mobo and proc getting cheaper.

The only downside is ridiculous price of the rams.



This post has been edited by n3w: Apr 28 2010, 06:05 PM

Some folks simply buy the best because they don't want to "feel" outdated, some worry about performance (and bottleneck), while some simply have lots of funds to spend on hardware.

Could have taken any quad core plus a mild overclock (to 3.2GHz+), and matches some of the top quad core processors today. The fact the comparison above shows that both of those new quad cores (Core i5 750 and Phenom II X4 965) are yesteryear's 2007 top performance (QX9770) which is 3 to 4 years ago. Should last another few more years (IMHO at least another 6 years or more, looking at the line of quad core processors today )

You can get a Celeron or Pentium Dual Core nowadays for around RM200 or less, which are much faster than your Pentium D.

Motherboard and processor manufacturers always have to change something (new chipset, new socket, new processor, new VRM, etc), otherwise cannot "cari makan". For example: make new processor but can use on older motherboards means they can't sell much of their new chipsets. Usually new processors would coincide with the launch a new chipset. Backward compatibility is always welcomed though new features such as better power management, new bus signalling, integration of memory controller, GPU integration and/or change in memory controller would sometimes bring about a new socket (like LGA1155). Of course they also have to bring some improvements and new stuff into the mix (e.g. USB 3.0, SATA 3.0, LightSpeed, AVX, etc). Right now the problem is that software needs to play catch up..

This post has been edited by lex: Apr 28 2010, 07:26 PM

At first thanks for the recommendation of the Celeron and Pentium processor. I am very well aware that they are faster than my silly Pentium D. But no, I am more happily to take Core 2 Quad for <RM200 2 years later. my pentium D is fast enough to my everyday job it is idle mostly due to I am only using web surfing, light applications.

IMO, the practicality of new improvement is really depends on individual. Unlike olden days where every gen of CPU actually make ur daily task faster. Right now if u are not dealing with Multimedia Editing, VideoGames even a 5 years old PC can still do a decent job without any lagging.

for example
Sata 3.0 is overrated, HDD are not gonna be using all that bandwidth, they are not fast enough for even Sata 2. USB3.0? I dont often use my external HDD. It is only the external HDD that is bottleneck by the USB transfer speed.

I think my only concern is the reliability of a motherboard. Because if a old motherboard is down, every old standard/socket devices you have become unusable with any new motherboard. (I got 3 AGP gfx cards in my drawer now after 4 dead motherboards ) Thankfully the new motherboard are coming with good quality component, solid cap/mosfet etc. or whatever gimmicks things they are selling now, at least they are more reliable than the older generations.

Yes, software need to catch up, so until the software can come up something useful like 99% reliable voice recognition(the old keyboard/mouse combo need to be gone), language translator or a computer that think for u. (AI), that I need a powerful CPU to do it. Then may be I might be paying RM1000+ for a CPU. Right now I think there is no way I will pay> RM250 for a CPU, the same could say for GPU, HDD, optical drives etc.

according to fudzilla i read a post a few days ago , they said that the quad core 32 nm sandybridge will be 65W tdp at best which is really cool i mean suppose if ita 2.8ghz quad core on a 65w beating i7 930/i7 860 due to new architecture will be awesome.

I really want to upgrade to i7 930 from my Q9400 to try some multi gpu setups but problem is 130w is too high for a proc also i am scared for the fact that if i upgrade now it will be obsolete by april next yr as 65w tdp quad proc will give better performance.

any news on how many pcie lanes will be supported by x68/p67 chips hopefully x8/x8/x8 minimum


i am also holding out on my laptop upgrade

This post has been edited by Riddhy: Apr 28 2010, 09:48 PM

The best next upgrade for me is sata3 & usb3 product went to popular status. then only plan to change socket.

SATA 3.0 is more useful for SSDs since they are bottlenecked by SATA 2.0 speeds.

I've never had motherboard failures before though. Everyone of them (even from Pentium II generation) lasted until today. Thus I rarely change motherboards and processors, though just sold off my Pentium D just recently (refer to my siggy, can run at 4GHz+ easily).

do ssd support sata 3??

I dont think I would bother paying the huge premium for SSD Besides, my HDD is idle 90% of the time, so the upgrade to SSD wont make any diff.