lol. i think already got several ppl reserved that eh...
haha

YEAH...
i gonna grab another HD650 for my girl fren..
=P

i not sure about the others.
but with good matching / amp + source.
i really feel HD600 / HD650 is much superior than HD580.
the characteristic is the same.
but smoothness, overall sound presentation. accuracies. HD580 a lot of stuff can't catch up of HD600 VS HD650 can do.
that's why i sell my HD580 after sometime and decided pay 3X more the money to go HD650.

well i beg for differ.
cause in my case, and every other friends of mine who using symphonica 650.
so far i still haven't reach the limitation yet.
=)
while i had already see bottleneck from HD600 with same price setup.
might be i haven't find a perfect match for HD600.
but the refinement of HD600 is very much inferior compared to HD650.
unless you are talking about old driver HD650.
then i am agree with your point of view.
new driver of HD650 is WAY bigger beast than HD600 IMHO.

by the way. i agree with the headphonia review.
which in the review he stated that HD650 is improved model after HD580 and HD600.
though personal preference does take counts as you mentioned.
but the level of refinement and detail and smoothness of HD650 offer, is worth the extra money imho. still my judgement of price performance ratio will be fundamental core for me to decide what is worth or not. and IT IS different from people to people. i can't really comment much on that.

the post below the web is kinda funny as quote
This post has been edited by PcWork: Nov 16 2010, 02:47 AM

lol
from where you get that information?

even MX300/400/ VS MX500 uses different driver.
copper voice coil VS CCAW voice coil.
different thickness of the membrane.
they might look exactly the same. but as far as i recall. sennheiser never say they are the same.


did you try compare HD580 VS HD600 side by side?
cause i did. and it is obviously very very different.
a lot people beside me tested all conclude HD600 is better than HD580. despite some of them are new, and they don't even know which is more expensive.

and the HD580 is MINE, using HD600 metal grill.

i had disassemble my HD650 / HD580 driver to compare side by side
as well as HD600.
i can tell u they are different.
the amount of folding gap, the colour of voice coil were different.
they did look identical. but i am sure they are not the same.
i am speaking from my first hand experience of opening it, hear it , compare it side by side
why is it easier to believe reading review, and keep disagree with my first hand experience that i see/ look/ and hear with my own self?
and you even selectively believe what is quoted in headphonia while you keep using that headphonia website.
in headphonia. he don't mention HD580 same as HD600 and HD650
he just mention all the history of sennheiser releasing HD580 -> HD580 jubelee -> HD600. then after massive collection of user idea, they come out of HD650.
on the other hand, you said HD650 stop upgrade the sound after sometime.
i had dump almost RM 10K to drive my HD650. yet i can't see it is limiting the performance. it really depend on what kind of level of gear you are referring to. and it is agreed by headphonia review that hd650 will move on with improve of the gear. his ideal obviously contra with what you said in the post previously.

obviously. you just simply look at picture and sum up that they look the same, so they are same driver. as page you posted above. if you DID read it carefully u shall able to spot this line

are they the same? it is FROM HEADPHONIA link posted by you.

no need to be sarcastic saying those words "as long as you hear the difference, no matter what people say, just go for it..right? "
i have first hand experience on all those things across several different version of Hd580 HD600 HD650. if feeling other people who bought HD650 is dumb that they pay much higher price for some minor different, and that idea can make you happy. i won't discuss this particular topic anymore further. LOL
the more you discuss, the more i feel sour grapes.. lol.


and regarding what you said up there "..i have only compared hd600 with hd650. to me, they do not sound difference that obvious. they do have some differences, but not that subtle.."

not that subtle means they are significantly different????

This post has been edited by PcWork: Nov 17 2010, 02:20 AM

i collected 3 pair of this.
one is 11 years old, another one is 7 years old. and one 3 years old...
as good as new.

high chances your driver is deformed, or the coil is deformed.
hence it stuck between the magnet gaps.
if that is the case, there's no way to repair it.

it has been back ordered since 4 months ago.
but today i had hand over 10 symphonica cable to jaben at KLAV show..

i feel the rudistor RX8 is driving the HD650 + symphonica superbly..

sorry.
i didn't try it..
i reach there at about 6pm...
=.=

My pleasure egyprince..
i am glad you like it...

it's been sometime. i was busy with my study.
however, all cable i make still carries warranty as i promised. =)
shall there's some urgent case, please do directly call me.

=)
i am checking back all my PM's it's piling up a lot..

---

Added on July 31, 2011, 12:24 amhaha ya ya shall be RP8..
hard to compare to lavry as lavry itself is DAC + built in headamp.
while the RP8 is one heck of an amp. the built is superb.
and i didn't compare it side by side.... wait i got time i might try that out in jaben subang..


This post has been edited by PcWork: Jul 31 2011, 12:24 AM

the oyaide stereo-rca cable in jaben is mine.
anyone want it?
i thinking to let it go. =P

the cable won't "create" hissing.
so the hissing with the headphone won't settle with change of cable.
you have to work out with your amp or source that produce the hissing.
else u change to symphonica, chances are the hissing might be even louder, cause the impedance of symphonica is averagely lower than the stock cable.

lol..
remember our one and only "SPEAKER gathering.."
lol impressive stamina that time. carry speaker for gathering. lol.


i know coolerthing since he is using nick name as "hitler" and selling Sony Beans mp3 player, and i know akabane since the time he is using a Grado SR80.. lol.
and whole group of people were using philips headphone during that time.

awek saya minta HD650 + ppk.. =.=

i'm glad you like it. as usual, your cable will carries standard warrenty from me. shall it has any damage related to my workmanship. i will repair it FOC.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Aug 6 2012, 06:46 PM

ya please pm me in regarding of that. i will explain it there

hd800 or T1?