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post Dec 21 2012, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 21 2012, 08:20 AM)
For the above, after the paint dry, need to flip back all the parts & spray again one, so many wont miss.

Well, I just want to spray multiple parts at once rather than one by one, so any more ideas?
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the reason why i don't recommend that method is because yes once you paint one side then you can flip the parts BUT there is the a risk where when you flip, the painted part's paint might come off due to the double side tape if you're careful.
The best is spray one by one rather than all at once. Yes, you can spray multiple parts depending on the parts then you can spray 2-3 together. smile.gif
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post Dec 21 2012, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(abundai @ Dec 21 2012, 10:51 AM)
im from PJ, but i must admit that never heard of ICW.. what is that? a Gunpla shop???
im really new to this gunpla thingy.. so tryin to pick up as much as i can from all of d experts in here...  biggrin.gif
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It's a workshop where "us" modellers gather and do model kits or just hang out. The shop also sell tools and some kits, so it's much convenient for everyone who lives nearby. I don't mind giving you some fundamental skills as i'm teaching one of my friend. Do let me know. smile.gif

QUOTE(TheGreatBahamut @ Dec 21 2012, 11:06 AM)
ICW is Infinite Creation Workshop. Refer here for more info http://www.malaysiascalemodelling.com/inde...cessfully+saved. Or you can join pla-zone, http://www.pla-zone.com/
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Yeap, this is the one
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(linear63 @ Dec 21 2012, 11:18 AM)
So anyone can just drop by and hang out at ICW?
Looks like a good place to pick up so tips from all the sifus
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Yes.. we have a bunch of usuals there. Once you hang out with us most of the time then you won't be too shy.

QUOTE(abundai @ Dec 21 2012, 12:04 PM)
wow...so near from my place.... so when do u guys normally go there?
this is the kind of place i need to visit to jump start my Gunpla hobby...


Added on December 21, 2012, 12:07 pmin fact, im gonna drop by this place right after work... hehe. 4pm ish...
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i only go if i need to airbrush. but usually everyday they will be more ppl.
I don't suggest you to go today as Chinese having family dinner so most likely many won't attend tonight.
Oh yea they open 7.30-10.30pm(mon-fri) , for sat it's 12-5.30PM
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post Dec 21 2012, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 21 2012, 04:02 PM)
the paint might come out too even when spray using tamiya ts paint? If so then surely risky.

More question, do i need to prime if
1. I am spraying Tamiya - Gold TS-21 on blue parts?
2. I am spraying Tamiya - Gold TS-21 on red parts?

thanks
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Because you use tapes so there is a risk of it peeling the paints. Unless you use masking tapes(tamiya) but able to hold small parts.
No matter what before spraying colors, always top coat.

I don't mind giving you guys fundamental tips/skill at icw if you guys meet up together. I can share my knowledge one shot. smile.gif
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post Dec 22 2012, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(abundai @ Dec 21 2012, 08:37 PM)
cool..  thumbup.gif  would that be on weekends?
cos im working on shift, some weekends, i might not be free
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I seldom go on weekends. You adjust the time with me tru pm

QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 21 2012, 10:26 PM)
If i top coat before spray painting then is it that there is no need to prime? what which type of coat? gloss?

I wish i can join you guys, but i live at sabah.... very less people here build gunpla...... sad..
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Too bad.
Top coat is usually the last step or before you do decaling(optional)
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post Dec 22 2012, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 22 2012, 01:34 PM)
So what actually i do before spraying colour?

and again do i prime if

1. spray Tamiya - Gold TS-21 on blue parts?
2. spray Tamiya - Gold TS-21 on red parts?
3. spray Tamiya - Silver Leaf TS-30 on red parts?
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oh sorry for the confusion..
what i meant was before you paint, must PRIME. tongue.gif rolleyes.gif
yes.. always prime first.

Here's a very useful Link
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post Dec 23 2012, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 22 2012, 11:41 PM)
meaning that if i plans to spray gun metal on grey parts, i can skip the priming right? For the white parts, i play to top coat matte as finish.

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i think you totally misunderstood.
Reason why we prime it is because..
Every part we'll sand it. Why? because once you cut them our from the runners, they will have nib marks. We sand to get rid of the nib marks.
But once we sand, we leave light/heavy scratches on the parts therefore we need to prime.
Prime/surfacer's purpose is to cover the scratches(not the heavy ones) and also make the paint stick "better".
so for us modelers, we prime every single parts except transparent parts because we want to paint it.


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post Dec 23 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 23 2012, 10:01 AM)
but if i am not planning to paint white part, although it got light scratches on it, i can be covered by top coat matte/flat right?
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Why not paint the white part when already planned to paint other parts.
Top coat does not help cover scratches. It only helps protect the paints and give a nice finishing.
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post Dec 23 2012, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 23 2012, 11:13 AM)
Because i am a little low on budget, can i use white prime as white paint?

Tools to buy:
1. mr. hobby top coat
2. tamiya abbrasives
3. tamiya spray cans (light gunmetal, gunmetal & gold)
4. side cutter
5. Tamiya compound
6. mr. hobby primer
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I understand as this hobby requires $$ when starting up.

You're not suppose to use white primer as white paint but if you can live with it then it's up to you. tongue.gif White primer finishing is not the same as white paints.

i am assuming you're gonna use everything spray cans to spray your kit therefore the $$ load. I've been there before.
Think about it, I used spray cans to sprayed my MG strike freedom. The kit cost me RM179(few years back) and the spray cans alone already cost me RM200+(mr hobby + tamiya). So it was not worth it unless you use industrial spray cans like others mentioned.

Think about it thoroughly, if you think you are gonna be serious in this hobby why not save the money and get an air brush set like i did. The starting cost might be "painful" but long term wise, it's a good investment. It may take you 400-600(basic set) of air brush but paints cost you like RM8-10 per bottle. 1 White bottle can spray 2-3 MGs.

I hope my long post doesn't bore you and able to help you. I know a guy in Sarawak or Sabah brings in gunpla tools and stuff so at least you won't have to worry about shipping cost so much.

One question, why do you need compound? do you know what it's purpose?
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post Dec 23 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Dec 23 2012, 12:59 PM)
the compound is for the clear parts for MG 00 Qant (gn sword or something)

On second thought, I am willing to get airbrush but at least not for now.I can afford an airbrush however if i do bought an airbrush now, my mom will non-stop nagging for a few weeks and she wont spend a cent on me (food), which means that i have to pay all my living expenses myself o.O
you know that those who are not fond with us always saying that gunpla & figures are just wasting money.
and i am will find a full time job next year, so hopefully i can get an airbrush after a few months.

But i am still wishing to paint the MG 00 Qant, so maybe i ll save it up till i can afford a airbrush?

And more question regarding this if i am not painting the kit now

1. do i still need to top coat after finish snap fit it?
2. do primer comes in bottle instead of spray cans?

Well that is all for now but maybe i ll figure some more afterwards.

Thank you
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hmm.. yes, some modellers do use compound for the clear parts but rarely for gundam. Usually air craft modeller will use compound on their cockpit window to make it smooth or get rid small scratches. Car modellers will need compound to make their car shining and "reflective". As for your case, i don't see why you need compound for clear parts.
I usually just leave them as it is OR unless i want to color the clear parts then i will use clear paints.

I can understand your situation as a student. So instead of piling up kits, save the $$ for air brush as kits will never go out of stock(unless limited). I've stop buying gundams for a year or so, buying more paints. tongue.gif

1. After snap fitting, it's up to you whether you wanna topcoat it or not. Top coat as i said is just to give a nice finishing(gloss, semi-gloss, flat) but if you plan to paint the same kit in the future then don't top coat it.

2. Primer/surfacers do in a bottle for air brush use. 1 bottle of primer can prime up to 4-5 MG or more and 1 bottle cost about RM15-20. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Raive93 @ Dec 23 2012, 02:23 PM)
naruko85 is my bro's account, this my account

the compound is the restore the transparency of clear parts after sanded to remove the nip/nub marks.

or is there a cheap way to remove the nip/nub mark if I am not painting the kit yet?
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alright...
yes, you are right...
usually i don't sand the transparent parts because they are a hassle. i just cut as clean as i could or just sand a little on the nib mark and hope it isn't obvious.

hmm... i would suggest you a japanese technique for newbies.
Get a dengeki hobby, any issue.. they usually promote the certain kit(new) for the magazine. they will paint the whole kit for the first few pages. the next few pages are intended for those who do not own air brush. some touch up tips and top coat to make the kit look good as if it was painted.
You should give it a go. Try searching on the web for such tips. smile.gif

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it would be better if you could find the kit you're doing on that issue

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QUOTE(Raive93 @ Dec 23 2012, 03:57 PM)
ok thx for the tips, and some more question,

1. what is the difference between the ka. version and the normal one?
2. i have been wondering for a while but, what is the red highlighted part?
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1. ver. ka means it's redesign or designed by Katoki(a japanese gundam designer)
2. the modeller highlighted the red parts because he wants to cut it off or sand it for modding purposes
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QUOTE(shauno @ Dec 24 2012, 12:41 PM)
let's help out z3r0 abit..

1. if you want a cheaper option, go to hardware store and get these grits of sandpaper- 500, 1000 and 1500. and use in this order.
cut out part from runner> sand with 500 grit> sand with 1000 grit, sand with 1500 grit (optional if you are painting)
since you will prime before painting, it will be able to cover the scratches your 1000 grit sandpaper leave behind.

cost for hardware sandpaper is much cheaper than tamiya's

2. simply put, yes. doesn't matter you paint immediately, or paint 1 year later; still advisable to paint part by part.
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appreciate it bro. lol

If you plan to paint the kit, always pre-assemble. Make the parts looser so you can take out in the future.
Either making the hole slightly bigger OR cut the male peg 45 degrees. Test them whether they are still tight anot.
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post Jan 14 2013, 09:41 AM

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Raive93,
Go check this website out, most of your questions can be answered here and some even with Video
http://gamerabaenre.com/?page_id=1202

I do understand you are starting this new hobby and you are curious about all of it so was i when i began.
I was told before without even trying yet asking too many questions might not help you. You need to experience it first to understand.
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Jan 14 2013, 04:23 PM)
Hi,

I do search about the Mr masking sol neo, but ppl complaint it ruin the paint when u try to take it out. sO need to coat a clear gloss coat bfore apply the masking sol neo. bside this, got any other way like wash the masking sol neo with water, so only the masking sol neo dropoff instead of paint?? Acrylic & laque paint included.

planing to get mR masking sol neo as i tired of masking tape.

Thank.
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The old masking sol sux but the new one is just nice. I've never heard of the masking sol ruining the paint unless the person did some wrong steps.
After using the masking sol and paint your kit, try not to leave it for one day, it may harden therefore ruining the paint(maybe). I have never apply clear coat(gloss) just for masking sol. Even other modellers that i know do not have this problem.
masking tape once it dries, use tweezer or tooth pick to slowly peel it out.


QUOTE(Raive93 @ Jan 14 2013, 05:03 PM)
a few dummy question,

1. if i am using gaia notes paint(lacquer), then can i prime with gaia notes or mr. color's primer? Because lacquer is very bad on ABS right? then if the primer is lacquer based then will it harm the ABS too? or primer is special one?

2. I know the reason for painting gloss black before painting the metallic colour, but why need to paint a darker tone before painting the main coat? wont lighter colour harder to stick at darker colour?

3. and do you know that any other hobby shop around sabah kota kinabalu that sells tools & paints? I only know that there is one at star city but they sell limited paint(tamiya, gunze & gaia only)

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1. Gaia and Mr color are lacquer base. Both can be mix. Both primers can be used. Lacquer does not harm ABS, as far as i know enamel does. Enamel will weaken it and make it brittle. Primer does not harm any parts of your kit.

2. i think this is for shading. Usually shading 1st layer is dark tone then only lighter tone to achieve the shading effect(AB only). If you use AB, lighter color can be covered over darker color if you spray it properly.

3. Try Agent man in pain(forgot the proper nickname). He is from sarawak or sabah(forgot) OR order online from Tkting
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1. Gaia and Mr color are lacquer base. Both can be mix. Both primers can be used. Lacquer does not harm ABS, as far as i know enamel does. Enamel will weaken it and make it brittle. Primer does not harm any parts of your kit.
  And there I thought I read an article somewhere that it is the thinner used for lacquer paint that harm the ABS? HERE

2. i think this is for shading. Usually shading 1st layer is dark tone then only lighter tone to achieve the shading effect(AB only). If you use AB, lighter color can be covered over darker color if you spray it properly.
  So if I am planning to hand painting all then I shouldn't do the pre shading stuff?

3. Try Agent man in pain(forgot the proper nickname). He is from sarawak or sabah(forgot) OR order online from Tkting
    He is from Sabah, I knew his store, I am asking just in case for he didnt sell that type of paints or etc
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Raive93
1. If you read the comments, most of them didn't encounter the problem and everyone prime first. the guy who had the problem didn't prime.
2. pre shading cannot be achieve by hand painting but there's another method which is like light "weathering". Let's not get into that first. Master your fundamentals first.
3. In that case, order online. Save your trouble.

QUOTE(limfreelance @ Jan 17 2013, 09:30 AM)
r u refer to Masking sol NEO or Masking sol R??
wat the diference??
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i'm refering to sol R, sol Neo is the old formula.. both are the same, one is old formula, one is new.. sol R is a new formula and so much better to use.

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QUOTE(sekngucing @ Feb 1 2013, 02:26 AM)
i just sprayed my zaku with chrome spray, cheap one
-but the result quite unsatisfied, how to wrap the masking tape rightly especially at curvy area?
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I assume you are using industrial spray can. This is from my experience using spray can(industrial), I was nvr able to get it right even with proper masking and all, the reason is industrial spray cans has a very high air pressure therefore the paint is thick & wet. While it is thick and wet, it's easy for it to go "under" the masking tape causing an unsatisfied result. I always get this if i use industrial and it also leaves a noticeable layer if you have 2 colors on a part. Unless you're able to spray a very thin layer but that would be very wasteful for a spray can.
Just my 2 cents and hope you get what i meant
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QUOTE(sekngucing @ Feb 1 2013, 01:28 PM)
im using this brand

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no issue of it to go under the masking tape. thanks for your explanation, but im having problem with adjusting my masking tape to cover the curvy are, im spraying on the axe of zaku to make it loook shiny, chrome and metallic axe. do i need to cut the tape according to the curvy shape of the axe?
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to mask curvy area, either you cut according to shape or cut into smaller piece and form the shape.
Test it on a part before doing it. Curvy parts are tricky which is why need more practice.
Sometimes i do like this and it depends on the part. IF the parts has a deep gap line(panel line), put the wide(bigger) masking tape on top of it, use a very sharp blade(pen knife like ofla preferred) also cut through following the gap line following the shape. Of course not too hard until you scratch the part, adjust your strength by just cutting the masking tape only.
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QUOTE(sekngucing @ Feb 9 2013, 03:00 AM)
can i use mr hobby levelling thinner for tamiya acrylics? been searching for tamiya acrylic thinner at xl shop, gamers arena, grafitti toys and many hobby shop but cannot find one, only option left is mr hobby thinner, the seller told me that it can be use also to thin tamiya acrylics
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NO... cannot..
Mr hobby thinners are for lacquer not acrylics.
Try checking with tkting(forumer) here got stock anot
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QUOTE(sekngucing @ Feb 9 2013, 01:10 PM)
is it true? damn! just bought the mr hobby thinner sad.gif
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no, it's fake doh.gif

mr hobby do has acrylic products but most places sell their lacquer products

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