There's not much unionism in Malaysia compared to other developed countries.

Thus, there's a lot of rampant abuse of employees by corporations, and no minimum wage.

Interestingly, bankers are the ones that need/enjoy the most benefits from collective bargaining in the form of NUBE.

Discuss.

Example?

And what kind of unions are you talking about? Ones with power to strike?

What you want?!

Done be stubborn. Why not concentrate on your work rather than create chaos!

If you think you are not being treat fairly... might as well look for other job!

ever heard of RUM.. railways union of Malaysia..

i heard it tooooo powerful..

usually airline, bank and other transportation got union. best is France. always strike, no need to work.

Other? You mean Malaysia is a developed country?

union is good...but sometimes it deviate from it origin objective

union in malaysia based on my personal experience.. fight for something, promise for something but at the end.. fail to delivered.

in some places.. the union is un officially banned..

getting ppl to do your homework?

i think you might have to look into the relevant provision of the law and also government policies that led to our countries toothless (or rather non-existent) labour unions.

Unlike Western Countries, workers are more militant compared to Asian countries.

If you have watched the documentary on Singapores explosive growth in the mid 70-80's, you will understand why policies which are anti-union are in place.

My 2 cents is, such policies have also been adopted by Malaysia to supress any potential unions from having a foot hold on their emplyers.

if in France no need to work why are they still so rich? while enjoying 35 hour work week and a welfare state.

demand and supply..

if u strike here in malaysia.. there are plenty more want the works,

in manufacturing area, no use for them to have union..

if let say.. one in the future all foreign worker are allowed to work in bank, i believe that the union no longer relevent..

NUBE? at least they are fighting for 90 days maternity leave. Our country are among the few that still implement 60 days maternity leave.
No unions to help fight this cause. Its very unfair.

that the GOOD side of the UNion.. fighting fo something..

but in return.. they need to prove something.... but as usual.. they fail.. and the blame back to the employer

Learn to vote with your feet.

Why do you need other people to fight for you? I'd rather do it myself.

what do u mean by that?

how do you fight a giant corporation by yourself, you can be easily replaced. especially when you are not working in area which require some niche skill. they can just fire you to shut you up.

We have completely different mindset regarding this. I'm not saying I'm right, but here's how I look at things.

I see myself as a seller of skilled labor, where the corporation is the buyer. The onus is on me to make sure the product I sell has value, thus I have to keep improving my skillset. If I can be easily replaced, I have to upskill or increase my productivity. What people here are asking for is a union to enforce corporate charity. Sorry if that sounds individualistic

I have been a SAP programmer for several years, I am very competent but can easily be replaced by an ambitious fresh grad from HELP institute for lower pay. I trained many new programmers in my work life, sometimes I wonder why should a company keep me.

as long as u can provide milk to them.. they will keep u..

No, you cannot be replace by an ambitious fresh grad, the fresh grad as you said need to be trained by you to even start being productive. i also work in a field that cannot be easily replace by fresh grad, but i still believe that union is required to keep corporate greed in check, if there is no union to fight for those low skill worker, who will fight for then, the politician that are all too willing to get in bed with the corporation?

high skilled worker can demand for better pay and choose the best company to work for. but the factory worker are still working for RM600 living in klang valley and penang today. how can these worker fight for their right if not together in an union.

This post has been edited by robertngo: Apr 21 2010, 11:04 AM

You forget that most high skilled workers only care for themselves and wont bother about the those at the lower end scale of the social strata since its none of their concern.

Ever see smartly dressed ppl with expensive watches or those who drive nice cars walking down an alley and they will ignore charities like a person avoiding a leper. Sad thing is they have money to spare but wont since they will ask themselves what "benefit" do i derive from giving to a charity or individual. Their actions are dictated by what they can get in return.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Apr 21 2010, 11:41 AM

They have to upskill, just like my grandfather and my 2nd uncle did.

If we demand a social contract or corporate charity, our foreign investors would just move to Vietnam.

allowing corporation to exploit the worker is also a form of charity for the corporation.

yes ...change to better...be-do-have..always repeat this

Malaysian adopt this attitude these days, that is why unions are not popular.