apatu?

That's the name given to Pcwork's latest masterpice, the HD650 cable I think.

ohh haha HD650..no wonder

oh bytheway, wonder if anyone here knows how to read the specs of the CMOY amp? Is it good? For which type of headphones?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bass-Boost-cMoy-v2-02-...1e5c72dd0f#shId

easy for u to say... but very hard to do u know...

after all being said..
the hd650 + pcwork symphonia is beast.. it handles everything from music to orchestra to live performance to movies... etc.. anything.. quite well...

my vtg is limited to music..

So getting? ^__^
Get one of these, can settle everything already. Save you money in long run hahahahaha.

lol
yesterday ear washing ha...

i is still love the signature of m0i vtg..
dunno....
i still cant decide.. and i am still not tempted enuff..
but it is still very nice to own.. wont have regrets getting it...
haih.. at first i only wanted to have 1 ultimate headphone.. vtg...
now.. not sure if i shud go against my principle...............

neways.. focus now is still amp..

it's time to jump ship.
lol
650 is just driven by hippo amp yesterday.. =P

doesnt go well with w1..
but if getting amp would be too expensive..
i might settle for that + the hippo instead tho..

yeah
W1 has sort of serious colouration, to raise up the mid. however, it does muffle the bass, and chop off some highs.
that's exactly same pattern is happening when i compare hippo amp with W1 by my pk1
that's why i settle for hippo. it's cheaper, smaller , and better to my ear.

omg... hd650 + Pcwork's cable... + HIppo amp sum more?

pcwork's ultimate poison. The PCSymphonica

actually that cable is all in one.....got AT taste as well.

omg... everyone seems to be pushing me to get Hd650 + pcwork's cable + Hippo amp...

well... i think i might aim tiz when i start working then...

u cant go wrong with this one...
probably the only one able to fight on par is w11jpn..
my vtg loses quite a bit in terms of texture and pinpoint accuracy.. but its not far off..
but that's already putting in my sound preference..

This post has been edited by DaEMoNteNTAcLe: Jun 15 2010, 06:28 PM

Your VTG has very serious coloration, honky and slightly boomy. with very very low transparencies to my ear.
i found that a lot of your earphone has seriously "closed" sound. like box sounds of woofer, and perhaps that's what you like, and for that reason too, it is only suitable for specific genre only. If you are selecting that specific performance to make comparison only. of course HD650 not far better than VTG. but how about compare it against all genre, like orchestra, pop, rock, male vocal, and even some movie playings? then u will know how much difference they are in the first place. even so, just comparing to what vtg did best , still that HD650 is better by some margin..
i highly doubt that vtg can handle orchestra well. remember how my HD650 + re-cable + hippo amp handles the Mozart? i did copy the exactly same track into your ipod.. how does that plays with vtg? =P, remember how my HD650 + re-cable + hippo amp + audiotrak Optoplay (RM180 sound card) rumble on transformer movie???


it is not fair that to compare ,
say vocal of ATH / stax omega to this HD650; sound stage of HD800 to HD650...; bass of DT990 to HD650...; high of sony SA5K to HD650..and just compare that alone..
it is true that if it is this case. HD650 will not far off different with them. but if compare to other section?
like Bass of HD650 to ATH vtg/ Stax Omega? dynamic pressure and pin point accuracies of HD650 to HD800? mid and low of HD650 to SA5K?
That's why as i said, in overall i highly rated this HD650 + re-cable. because it did almost everything well, if not best.


More over, just to get things settle for stax omega, HD800 , ATH-11jpn, how much cost will it actually involved? i think drive those things with an amp that cost RM 2K is already a big joke...think again.. stax omega that is about RM 6K requires amp that is RM 6K just to get the sound come out. even my el-cheapo stax amp i use for my SR-X already cost me more expensive than the whole HD650 itself. HD800? what to match with it? ATH-11jpn require HA5000 to drive? yamamoto?? how much to push it?


if in fair comparison, what if i take the equal amount of budget which used to drive those exotics headphone and invest it into some source , interconnects, and amp to handle HD650, what kind of performance it will HD650 gives? Or maybe we put it the other way round, try to think that driving stax omega / Hd800 / ATH-11jpn with a silver cable at RM 150? hippo amp RM 200+? wouldn't it be seriously big joke? i just wanna be fair to user. that i show my HD650 recable demo to them with the most normal setup they can easily get perform. there's no point i sell somethings that require they take years to save up / find a match source/amp to enjoy high quality audio. we are now still talking about HD650 can be driven with somethings that is fairly cheap, and it is already offering performance which is on par with those exotics headphones.. and imagine, you could actually bring your HD650 setup when you are traveling and outstation due to the HD650 itself can be handle with some portable amp (hippo/ppk/RSA) rather than some desktop amp which easily weight 20KG like a Darkvoice??

i reserve my opinion toward HD800. to my point of view, the HD800 is great piece of stuff, with superior driver structure and technologies.
just as i mentioned again and again, currently we still haven't find a way to optimize it's performance. there's simply no amp / cable that can give it's best performance out. like HD650 itself it was released for so many years. only until recently. cable material is able to catch up with the driver technologies of HD650. (IMHO)

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 15 2010, 05:14 PM

ouch kene tembak..
then i need to make restatement.........

when pushed properly...... <insert quote up there here...>

and yes u are very right about all the rest, also for the amping and all...
its just that i already tried my vtg on those setups, and for my musical needs, the vtg is already very satisfying........

u are also right about the vtg being boomy.. and very serious coloration.. true, but i like the color.. closed yes.. i chose the intimacy.. again i do admit that the vtg is not the best when it comes to details.. it loses hands down to detail monster such as sa5k or w1000x, it wont be able to fight stax fluidness.. even a normal stax is still very fluid... simply zero grain..

that being said and done.. i did say u can throw anything at the HD650 Pcwork Symphonia and it will handle it well.. very well in fact. I've never heard a headphone that sounds so realistic with movies, orchestras, or live performance.. it's simply stunning.. and i am considering of getting it for those needs, and for portability, but i would still listen to songs and orchestra with my vtg..

so yeah.. my opinion up there is very biased... and probably uncalled for.. either way all are high-ends cans.. possibly flagship level... some are very hard to push.. and the PcWork Symphonia is a unique piece of work that is very easily maxed in term of price / performance.

adding a few more..
on orchestra.. i would definitely say vtg would cloud a lot of details.. and not having female vocals.. it is very poor performer vs hd650.. but the coloration is preferable to myself.
i believe u are aware that i always compare my own experience when giving remarks?
thats y the racun can still tahan..

its a choice between 2 extreme.. one being near perfect overall.. it does not do anything wrong, and 1 catered specifically for personal taste.. it is not perfect, but favorable..

argh.. maybe i should kayu a hd650?

This post has been edited by DaEMoNteNTAcLe: Jun 15 2010, 06:36 PM

hahahahaha..
not tembak lah..
just explain out the point that should take into consideration...

anyway.. i really like HD650 and the cable
even until now i can't believe i did that myself..
=.=

im not sure how unbelievable u think u are..
i think it's even more unbelievable for me to use hd650 and find it soo relaxing and nice sonically... optimus speaks himself personally! tengok wayang baru dapat.. itu pun tak clear camni..
i can never tahan hd650 sound.. so i never gave it a serious listen.. until after u got ur cable out on day 1.. just to know the difference in sound vs stock cable..
it is HUGE..
i think the stock cable robs the senns about 40% of it's capability..
but worse.. i think i can only take out 30% of my vtg capability with Pmod + w1... good amp can push to 70%...
neways.. im already thinking that if i have to spend more than 3k.. instead i'd get a powerful portable amp.. maybe diy.. + the hd650 + ur cable...
should i book early?

but deep down.. i know that i will be getting a yamamoto ha-02 to complete my brain damage