I'll pass then.

Was looking forward to this.

If it has GFWL, the MP will fail automatically.

I think you are confused.

If a game has Games for Windows, it just mean, it's a game for PC. Thats all, with certain Microsoft guidelines implemented, like the game must have widescreen support. It also mean, no GFWL.

On the other hand, if a game has Games for Windows LIVE, it's a completely different story, as the game will use GFWL online system. Time for whole lot of annoyance.Such as the pictures below:




Note that there is a LIVE word on the box.

GFWL games does have region lock, but it's quite easy to get around it.

Not like i care about this Shitstorm game.

The PC support is gonna be awful anyway.

No, Batman doesnt have MP.

Not sure which form of DRM Batman is using.

Im not talking about optimisation. I mean things like post shipping support.

GFWL is a pain to patch, and it also mean that it will not have dedicated servers. Have fun finding games with GFWL.

Im also quite bored with military shooters, but Bulletstorm does not seem to be worth buying for me, as the MP would probably be dead. Thats why im waiting for Brink instead and hope it is not screwed up.

It's amazing that people still want to buy this dead multiplayer game to be, despite all the horrifying crap GFWL done.

It's a region lock game, that is only available for GFWL countries.

Baseless rant? Check the GFWL forums and see how pleasant is this thing. Just because you are not having problems, doesnt mean GFWL is even acceptable. Thats a reason why Steam refuse to sell this on non GFWL supported countries, because it's just incredibly annoying if something went wrong.

Im not sure whether this game runs on SSA or non SSA DRM, SSA will give a lot of problem if you set the wrong region. Have fun with it.

It is a great thing that DoW2 dumped this piece of shit. 10 incremental patches are always way better than 1 giant patch in 1 months.

SSA is better IMO, as you are not stuck to one account.

It will work, with no doubt. The thing is, there is no official support, where when you have problem, it's very annoying to fix. Like ran out of activations for SSA games. The solution is: Call Microsoft at Redmond to reactivate your game. Someone actually did that before, with international call.

It will be better if GFWL drop all these region classification and get rid of this annoying DRM.

On my second post, i said about the region problem. Dont put words inside my mouth.

Bulletstorm is a damn good game,but i refuse to get it.

I am here to warn other people on the potential problems of this GFWL game.

I have seen lots of complains on other games, that does not have as ridiculous complains as a GFWL game, like someone found out he lost access to a GFWL game because he format regularly or someone bought a GFWL game in UK, and found out he cant play his new SSA DRM game in US. Ubisoft's DRM is pretty bad, not as close as what the worst GFWL can offer. That is the reason why Steam refuse to sell any GFWL on non supported region after so many horror stories of people lost access to their games. I used to read a lot on DiRT 2 forums, and Dawn of War 2 forums,mind you.

Someone took 3 months to talk to Microsoft directly to regain access to his GFWL non SSA game.

Also, tell me does anyone still actively playing Bioshock 2 or GTA4 multiplayer? I dont remember hearing anyone playing those mentioned game online, other than single player.

GFWL is unacceptable, if not, why would Relic rewrite the entire netcode for a 2 year old Dawn of War 2? It's extremely troublesome to do so, and an old game wont get as much profit as a brand new game. Or why Bioshock, Dirt 2 or GTA4 isnt even known for it's multiplayer? The reason is simple, because the whole system is not as good as other offerings. At the same time, it gives a lot of problems to gamers like the infamous Sign in Change problem that some people have. The lack of any official documentation on how the DRM works made it even worse, which is why companies like EA are writing long blog post to explain to gamers on how some of their game's DRM work.

I have a fair amount of experience of this multiplayer system,and yea, the multiplayer is pretty much a wasteland in a lot of cases. Xbox LIVE is very good, but GFWL is just like an alpha version of Xbox LIVE that barely work. The garbage NAT and it's netcode made it hard to use. The thing i hate the most is, despite GFWL is so buggy, Microsoft has made no effort to improve it. There is a new store, but other than that, are there any improvement on the netcode?

GFWL works pretty reasonably if you play with friends, but with the random public, this system is a complete nightmare. Playing DoW2 Last Stand is pretty good with friends, but with the random people in DiRT2, yea, you are pretty much racing with 1 to 2 people out of 8 slots.

---

Added on February 24, 2011, 1:09 am

Read the spoiler, these are just some of the worst thing i ever heard about GFWL. DiRT 2 is a SSA game, and if im not wrong, it was the first. There arent any documentations,warnings or text at all, and people got locked out from their game. It's not a game on Steam offer, it's a brand new just released game that people bought at full price.

Bulletstorm is also a SSA game, so be careful when you register for a new account.

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/dir...le-my-game.html

I do agree that the SSA b****ing has toned down, but there are still no documentations at all.

The region lock issue exist since 2008, and Microsoft havent even fix this. I have 3 GFWL accounts, also because of this problem as the other 2 is region locked.

http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/t/102.aspx
http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/p/9973/90691.aspx

I cant find the thread on that terrifying support calls with GFWL support, though.

Heard 4.0 is coming, i do hope they will do something about that region lock issue.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Feb 24 2011, 01:09 AM

Except the netcode is way worse than MW2.

Im going with: "Dont like GFWL, dont play at all" policy.