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 Display Calibration Fundamentals : My Take, Display Calibration

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post Jan 19 2012, 02:14 PM

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THX certified the Elite so seems like they didn't know better either smile.gif

Just curious: how do you know it is the decoder issue rather than the video processor or they are interchangeable in use?
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post Jan 19 2012, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(specuvestor @ Jan 19 2012, 02:14 PM)
THX certified the Elite so seems like they didn't know better either smile.gif

Just curious: how do you know it is the decoder issue rather than the video processor or they are interchangeable in use?
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Colour decoding is part of the video processor functions.

Of course, the calibrator needs to rule out other stuff in the display chain that can also cause errors. Thats why most calibrators 1st calibrate using a known reference test pattern generator as they know that it does not send the signals wrongly. Then the calibration is done thru the actual display chain, ie, AVR, BD player, external video processor, and if they see issues that are not seen with the test pattern generator they will start a troubleshooting process that will try to identify the root cause.

Also take note : the problem might not have been there during initial certification and might have been added due to some other fixes they made. Do remember that the initial Elites had the yellow subpixel shut off in THX mode for a reason, however it changed later. Also when I said communities I meant private forums for ISF and THX certified calibrators where other stuff is discussed as they find them

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Thanks for sharing information ! ! notworthy.gif
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post Jan 26 2012, 10:03 PM

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does anyone know how accurate is the picture settings which we can get from plasma buying guide website?
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post Jan 27 2012, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(ediaikau @ Jan 26 2012, 10:03 PM)
does anyone know how accurate is the picture settings which we can get from plasma buying guide website?
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In my experience, there are so many variations between batches/firmwares that makes using those settings worse off then just using the Movie/Theater/Cinema/THX/Pro mode on ur display.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jan 27 2012, 10:30 AM)
In my experience, there are so many variations between batches/firmwares that makes using those settings worse off then just using the Movie/Theater/Cinema/THX/Pro mode on ur display.
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Sir, u r absolutely right. Im currently using a Sammy PN51D490 and I find that their suggested settings for my TV is horrible. The Standard settings is so much better.
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post Feb 6 2012, 08:59 AM

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Yup, feel that for the man-in-the-street usage, going for the Std Settings is a starting point.
Then adjust each value to yr own preference...the best judge is yr eyes!! tongue.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 05:44 PM

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Anyone here has Spyder 3 calibration tool willing to rent it out? Intending to calibrate the colours of my U2311H IPS computer monitor. Do PM me smile.gif
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post Feb 17 2012, 11:03 PM

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Toshiba's Auto View setting can b kinda annoying, too!
Supposedly works in tandem with its ambient light sensor as well as input signal sensor to give optimum viewing display... tongue.gif
However, changes are made suddenly at times... causing one's vision to be affected & a need to adjust to darker or brighter display...

Feel a constant setting wld be a better option... whistling.gif
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post Nov 18 2012, 11:03 PM

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When is the best time to calibrate? Day or night?
Btw, how frequent you guys calibrate your LCD? I read somewhere, once a year should be fine.
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post Nov 19 2012, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Bront Palabuto @ Nov 18 2012, 11:03 PM)
When is the best time to calibrate? Day or night?
Btw, how frequent you guys calibrate your LCD? I read somewhere, once a year should be fine.
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U shd calibrate in the environment condition that u wish to watch in. Typically for critical viewing it shd be done in a dim environment with no direct lighting hitting the display.

Since I hv my own meters, I do it all the time. LCDs/Plasmas thankfully don't drift as much and THX recommends recalibration intervals at 1 - 1.5yrs which depends on how much u use the display. Projectors drift slightly more, depending on the light source.
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Hi, does anyone know where in Msia we can buy filters to use for color calibration? I'm looking to buy the filters alone as I plan to use the free AVS HD709 test patterns.
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post Dec 1 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(GigaDestroyer @ Nov 29 2012, 11:49 AM)
Hi, does anyone know where in Msia we can buy filters to use for color calibration? I'm looking to buy the filters alone as I plan to use the free AVS HD709 test patterns.
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Where r u based at? If in Penang, I can lend u mine and u can return after use. U can buy them from spectracal online store, but its expensive.
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post Dec 4 2012, 03:40 PM

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Wow, it IS expensive from that store including the shipping costs. The one from the THX website already includes shipping in the price which is not so bad, but it's only a blue filter. How much is it roughly to get one locally with or without a calibration bluray?
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post Dec 4 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(GigaDestroyer @ Dec 4 2012, 03:40 PM)
Wow, it IS expensive from that store including the shipping costs. The one from the THX website already includes shipping in the price which is not so bad, but it's only a blue filter. How much is it roughly to get one locally with or without a calibration bluray?
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U can try this website as well.

JKP Productions

U can buy the DVE HD Basics BD that has the filters included, or u can get the Spears and Munsil BD that comes with filters. Both can be bought from Amazon. I do not think they are available locally.

I will check to see if I have additional filters.
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post Dec 4 2012, 07:10 PM

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My experience with several display show that using digital HDMI, most likely the Tint and Color at default is accurate. Also, some projector such as BENQ and Optoma allow you to turn on blue only so you don't need a blue filter.
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post Dec 4 2012, 07:25 PM

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Unfortunately, the TV I'm using is a cheapo "MTV" LCD TV. The default settings is pretty terrible with everything way too bright and color is definitely turned up too high.
There's also some kinda dynamic contrast/brightness thing going on which I can't turn off. It's really weird. Looking at the 'dynamic brightness' video from the AVSHD709 disc, at low APL, the grayscale looks normal. But as APL increases, the lower end of the grayscale becomes black while the higher end doesn't change at all. Also, looking at the white clipping pattern, I am unable to get any of the bars to flash but with the APL clipping pattern I can see the white flashing bars. The effect is even clearer looking at the grayscale ramp pattern. Whenever I press anything on my player (e.g. pause) and the OSD appears, the APL changes and I can clearly see the grayscale shifting. =S Anyone else with experience with this brand of TV?

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post Dec 4 2012, 09:26 PM

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I'm sorry I do not hv experience with that LCD. But it does sound like u understand its limitations. I am not sure if u can turn off the dynamic brightness/contrast in the service menu.
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post Dec 8 2012, 12:31 PM

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Just done the 65ST50 calibration after 100 hours usage. I could hit higher light output but as the panel is still new, I only set the contrast up to 70 to prevent burn in. Anyway, the calibration show that the grayscale and cms is really good able to hit delta 2000 less than 3. If you look at Pantone color checker, all color is under delta 2. Gamma is not super smooth with slight bump moving to brighter greyscale but still not bad. Overall I highly recommend Panny ST50 as the price is reasonable for the PQ you get. Black level is measure around 0.008 cdm. Skin tone is natural and color had a nice pop to it without oversaturation effect.

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post Dec 8 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Dec 8 2012, 12:31 PM)
Just done the 65ST50 calibration after 100 hours usage. I could hit higher light output but as the panel is still new, I only set the contrast up to 70 to prevent burn in. Anyway, the calibration show that the grayscale and cms is really good able to hit delta 2000 less than 3. If you look at Pantone color checker, all color is under delta 2. Gamma is not super smooth with slight bump moving to brighter greyscale but still not bad. Overall I highly recommend Panny ST50 as the price is reasonable for the PQ you get. Black level is measure around 0.008 cdm. Skin tone is natural and color had a nice pop to it without oversaturation effect.

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That's my observation as well. Its has excellent post calibration image.

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