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pierreye
post Dec 8 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Dec 8 2012, 01:49 PM)
That's my observation as well. Its has excellent post calibration image.
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I suspect the gamma ramp up is due to ABL. Will try using small APL test pattern for gamma measurement as I remember the same behaviour if measure projector with dynamic iris turn on.

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post Dec 9 2012, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Dec 8 2012, 03:17 PM)
I suspect the gamma ramp up is due to ABL. Will try using small APL test pattern for gamma measurement as I remember the same behaviour if measure projector with dynamic iris turn on.
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Its possible, I did not see the same issue with gamma on the 65 I calibrated and I used 10% windows.
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:29 AM

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Try out 3D calibration yesterday. I try to use the method recommend by Sotti from Spectracal, that is using a iD3 without 3D glasses to profile against i1Pro with 3D glasses. The profile give me an error something about the XYZ out of range. I ignore the error and try to do a 100% white reading with i1Pro with 3D glasses and iD3 which is profiled. The reading is slightly different, red is similar but blue and green are not similar between both sensor. I had no problem with 2D reading as both probe read similarly after profile. In the end, I use i1Pro with 3D glasses to do the calibration. The 100% white read around 120 cdm before glasses and around 22 cdm after the glasses which is around 80% brightness drop using Panny 3D RF glasses. The Samsung 3D RF glasses drop to around 20cdm. Also, the tint on both glasses is slightly different but still acceptable.

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QUOTE(pierreye @ Dec 10 2012, 10:29 AM)
Try out 3D calibration yesterday. I try to use the method recommend by Sotti from Spectracal, that is using a iD3 without 3D glasses to profile against i1Pro with 3D glasses. The profile give me an error something about the XYZ out of range. I ignore the error and try to do a 100% white reading with i1Pro with 3D glasses and iD3 which is profiled. The reading is slightly different, red is similar but blue and green are not similar between both sensor. I had no problem with 2D reading as both probe read similarly after profile. In the end, I use i1Pro with 3D glasses to do the calibration. The 100% white read around 120 cdm before glasses and around 22 cdm after the glasses which is around 80% brightness drop using Panny 3D RF glasses. The Samsung 3D RF glasses drop to around 20cdm. Also, the tint on both glasses is slightly different but still acceptable.
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I hv the C6 but hv not tried 3D cals on it. I normally do 3D cals using the Klein K-10 with glasses on. I believe the light paths of certain meters and the way the take the measurement do not make them suitable for 3D cals. The last ST50 that I carried out for 65in, I managed to hit 32ft/L for 2D and almost 6ft/L for 2D. Ur numbers seem similar.
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Hi Anfield,

Appreciate if you could elaborate about these few points. Found them under advance settings of my Dune Prime BD player:-

1) Auto frame rate - currently disabled but there are 2 further options ie 50/60Hz and 24/50/60

2) HDMI colour depth - currently set to 8 bit. Other options are auto, 10 and 12.

3) HDMI CEC - Currently disabled.

4) Output colourspace- set to auto. Other options are BT601, BT709, RGB Full and RGB Limited.

5) Default decoder space - set to auto. Other options are BT601 and BT709.

Can you PM on your calibration services terms. I am based in PJ.

Many thanks for your input and comments. Cheers!
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QUOTE(HHCC @ Jan 20 2013, 05:46 PM)
Hi Anfield,

Appreciate if you could elaborate about these few points. Found them under advance settings of my Dune Prime BD player:-

1) Auto frame rate - currently disabled but there are 2 further options ie 50/60Hz and 24/50/60

2) HDMI colour depth - currently set to 8 bit. Other options are auto, 10 and 12.

3) HDMI CEC - Currently disabled.

4) Output colourspace- set to auto. Other options are BT601, BT709, RGB Full and RGB Limited.

5) Default decoder space - set to auto. Other options are BT601 and BT709.

Can you PM on your calibration services terms. I am based in PJ.

Many thanks for your input and comments. Cheers!
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Hi,

These are more Dune specific, but I will answer as I own the Dunes.

1. Auto Frame Rate - I would enable it, more important for mkv where the output frame rate will match the input frame rate and u will hv no mismatch that could show dropped frames. For iso or bdmv it already defaults to the current frame rate

2. I would suggest to leave it at 8bit.

3. Enable only if u want to use HDMI CEC (which means u need to enable at ur display as well) to control all ur devices. What it does is that u switch off/on any component in the chain, it will turn all on/off. I don't use this function

4/5 - Leave it at auto as it correctly detects SD/HD colour space and decodes them

I am really backed up for calibrations now as I hv not travelled to KL/PJ/Seremban area for almost 4 months and will need to clear the backlog 1st. Will PM u on details.
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post Jan 23 2013, 12:28 PM

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As usual clear and simple reply and thanks for clarifying Anfield.

Owe you one.

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anfieldude do you provide color calibration service?? can you rent me the calibration thigy

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QUOTE(TittleTattleToxin @ Apr 15 2013, 09:24 PM)
anfieldude do you provide color calibration service?? can you rent me the calibration thigy
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Will PM u with details.
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Hi sifus, i have a problem with a 3 y.o. Sharp LC-40L50M, the tv swapped left-right side images!

is this a calibration problem which i can fix? anyone knows? notworthy.gif

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post Jan 21 2014, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Mar 23 2010, 08:12 AM)
A Beginner’s Guide to Display Calibration

This guide is work in progress. I will update with pictures as time goes by, please be patient.

What is Calibration?

Calibrate - To check, adjust, or determine by comparison with a standard (the graduations of a quantitative measuring instrument)

Calibration - The act or process of calibrating or the state of being calibrated.

Display calibration is centred on calibration of your display to standards.

Movie studios/directors adhere to standards when mastering movies/films.

One key feature of the standards for movies (colour) is the white point. The reference white point is defined as D65 for both North American and European standards. The white point refers to an x,y coordinate of 0.3127, 0.329 in the CIE Chromacity chart. CIE(Commission Internationale de l’Eclairage) is the international body responsible for the measurement of color.

6500K however, is a measure of the correlated colour temperature (CCT) of the white. Where D65 specifically targets a white point, the colour temperature is slightly misleading. It is possible to have a white that is 6500K in colour temperature (as it depends on whether the red and the blue channels primarily) but not hitting D65 white. For all practical purposes, D65 is a better representation of calibrating to a standard as if you do hit the 0.3127, 0.329, you automatically hit 6500K CCT.

The different standards that are available out there are:
· ITU-R Recommendation BT.709 (“Rec. 709”) – the standard for both North American and European high definition television - HD
· ITU-R Recommendation BT.601 (“Rec. 601”) and SMPTE-C – the standard for NTSC 480i/60Hz standard definition television (SMPTE-C has supplanted Rec. 601), and
·  PAL/SECAM – the standard defined by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) for 576i/50Hz standard definition television.

Once a display is calibrated to these standards (or as close to these standards as your display will allow) you do not need to wonder if the picture is accurate and tweak your settings for every movie. If your post calibration results are good, the pictures that you are viewing are as close to what the director intended for you to see.
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TV now a days are quite cheap in price, almost same with monitors~
any brand and model of tv which colour same to Mac screen?
although minters, some are hard to calibrate to mac screen~
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QUOTE(mhdsaifulaziz @ Jan 21 2014, 04:43 PM)
TV now a days are quite cheap in price, almost same with monitors~
any brand and model of tv which colour same to Mac screen?
although minters, some are hard to calibrate to mac screen~
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here ppl calibrate screen to cinema and tv standard. Not pc standard (as well as Mac)
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QUOTE(ktek @ Jan 22 2014, 12:45 PM)
here ppl calibrate screen to cinema and tv standard. Not pc standard (as well as Mac)
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then i better stick back to monitor~ =.=
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post Jan 23 2014, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(mhdsaifulaziz @ Jan 21 2014, 04:43 PM)
TV now a days are quite cheap in price, almost same with monitors~
any brand and model of tv which colour same to Mac screen?
although minters, some are hard to calibrate to mac screen~
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Hi,

PCs can be calibrated as well. Mac screens are used for studio based monitors quite a bit. What exactly r u trying to calibrate to?

The source material being played back is also important. If u r playing back movies the colour space and specs are fixed.
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Hi anfieldude,

Can you quote me your calibration servie?
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Juz got back my plasma PANA ST50 today.

Bro anfield, could you quote me your calibration services (place - Putrajaya).

Thanks
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anyone doing calibration?
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QUOTE(heart strings @ Jul 9 2015, 01:28 PM)
anyone doing calibration?
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R u asking if someone is carrying out calibrations or r u wanting feedback from owners who hv got their sets calibrated?
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jul 11 2015, 12:40 PM)
R u asking if someone is carrying out calibrations or r u wanting  feedback from owners who hv got their sets calibrated?
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i'm asking if anyone provide calibration service smile.gif and the price range for it
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post Jul 14 2015, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(heart strings @ Jul 11 2015, 01:39 PM)
i'm asking if anyone provide calibration service smile.gif and the price range for it
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