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Jordy
post Jul 29 2010, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(Benny5187 @ Jul 29 2010, 05:38 PM)
Company announcement : QCAPITA

Gross interim income distribution for the period from 1 Jan 2010 to 30 June 2010 is 3.85 cent per unit.

Ex-date : 12 Aug 2010

No wonder today's got high volume and shot up 3 cents !! rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Nothing to shout about though as it was lower then the previous distribution. The previous corresponding period was 3.78 sen. I suspect that the upward movement of the price was due to unloading and profit locking.
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post Jul 29 2010, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Jul 29 2010, 09:19 PM)
Great!  rclxms.gif  Now I can splurge my divy on a new HTC Desire handset without guilt. tongue.gif
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whizzer,

You have a million units of QCAPITA? whistling.gif
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post Jul 29 2010, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Jul 29 2010, 09:33 PM)
No need that much la... only 50,000 units can do the trick for you tongue.gif

50,000* $0.0385 = $1925 x (90%, less 10% withholding tax) =$1732.50

Unless my maths is wrong  notworthy.gif
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whizzer,

Ya, I know. Just messing with you, since you mentioned you can "splurge without guilt", I thought you have 1 million units smile.gif
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post Jul 29 2010, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 29 2010, 11:12 PM)
Lower or higher?
This year is 3.85 cents, last year is 3.78 cents.

Ya, actually, nothing to shout about, there won't be any surprise on reit result in general.
None of reit result will spring a major surprise.

3.85 cents is around 95% distribution, not 100%, as actual EPS is 4.04 cents. which is little improvement than last year same period of 3.96 cents.

There is another 5% spare.


Added on July 29, 2010, 11:13 pm
Around or near to 8%.
As DPU is not 100% of its EPS.
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cherroy,

Lower in terms of past period, and higher in terms of previous corresponding period. With a low yield and very little catalyst of growth, the surge in its price is baseless. That was why I was responding to a member's post regarding the surge in price.
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post Jul 30 2010, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 30 2010, 12:06 AM)
Errr.. I don't get it.

Last Q, realised EPS is 1.92, Provision for DPU is 1.92
This Q, realised EPS is 2.13, Provision for DPU is 1.93

Last year for same correspondence period of half year,
EPS is 3.96, DPU 3.78.

I can't get the lower figure. Kinda enlight me what I missed.  wink.gif
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cherroy bro,

Lets put it this way. Past period in my language means the period from July - December (Q3 - Q4) smile.gif

QUOTE(whizzer @ Jul 30 2010, 08:53 AM)
OT but maybe related : The govt announced that we can now get bigger loans using our EPF to purchase our dream homes. I was wondering whether this would impact the overall property pricing in Malaysia. My thinking is that as property will appreciate because now people will be able to buy higher price & likewise the whole property sector (inclusive of REITs) will appreciate. Logical or not ?  hmm.gif


Added on July 30, 2010, 8:59 am

Taikor didnt mention to buy  whistling.gif
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whizzer,

It is irrelevant, as residential property pricing does not affect commercial property prices.


Added on July 30, 2010, 9:34 pm
QUOTE(whizzer @ Jul 30 2010, 10:28 AM)
QCAP report from Tiger bank. no wonder drop.. a bit. hmm.gif
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whizzer,

Let me reiterate, the increase of 3 cents in QCAPITA's price yesterday was baseless, as it is expensive in every way we look at it. Also, traders take advantage of yesterday to lock in their profits. So I'm looking forward for QCAPITA to drop a little further, perhaps another 2 cents.

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jul 30 2010, 09:45 PM)
I'm hoping for it to go up to RM1.07-RM1.08 range so that I can sell some off and pick it up again around it's normal range of RM1.01-1.02.....

Notice big lots whacking the price down for the past week but looks like they've disappeared since yesterday........  hmm.gif
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kmarc,

There are more to come next week smile.gif
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jul 30 2010, 10:23 PM)
Jordy,

Which REIT you are still holding? If I remember correctly, you got ATRIUM right? What do you think about it?
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jasontoh,

You remembered correctly. I have been holding on to my AXREIT and ATRIUM since last year. My ATRIUM is giving me 33.7% capital appreciation and 11.3% yield. I will keep holding it until the price hits 1.10 (which is very possible) or until circumstances changed.

QUOTE(kmarc @ Jul 30 2010, 10:32 PM)
No! Wait until I earn some KFC first!!!!  biggrin.gif
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kmarc,

You will earn your shark's fin after you receive the cheque smile.gif
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post Aug 3 2010, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(sopol @ Aug 3 2010, 08:19 PM)
rclxms.gif ho.ho.ho..collecting rental every 3 months. Rental come me instead i go to the tenant

Nice hektar!  rclxm9.gif
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sopol,

Receiving your first distribution from a REIT? smile.gif
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post Aug 10 2010, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 10 2010, 12:25 PM)
Any research paper on AXREIT?
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zamans98,

What new comments would you expect for AXREIT? From the past, all the research papers I've seen for AXREIT are about the same hmm.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 10 2010, 07:56 PM)
For your reading pleasure.[attachmentid=1719268]
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SKY 1809,

Wasn't this the same report you posted before?
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post Aug 26 2010, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Aug 26 2010, 04:38 PM)
I have Arreit, Atrium, Axreit, Qcap, Hektar & Stareit.
(in addition.. got Petdag, TM, Rcecap & fajar share divy)
Sept is definitely a divy month  tongue.gif
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August was my dividend month. Rewarded myself with a new car tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 26 2010, 07:52 PM)
Walau. 1 quarter dividen can buy car already? Wonder how much you invest.
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Aug 26 2010, 08:08 PM)
wah. shocking.gif  You can get a new car every quarter  drool.gif 
We are not worthy to be in the same forum as you  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Of course not one quarter la. It has been 6 quarters since I started collecting dividend stocks before I could afford to get myself a new car. Now my quarterly dividends will be going towards paying my loan smile.gif
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Aug 26 2010, 08:40 PM)
I like this  thumbup.gif  Also my target to do this but not yet get enough to service car loan icon_rolleyes.gif
I will start with small toys first like a new HTC Desire  biggrin.gif
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whizzer,

Well, that's a start, but do not aim to buy a car like me. Aim to buy a house is better as it will be a valuable asset. I bought this car out of necessity.

QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 26 2010, 08:47 PM)
Wow....quarterly dividend used to pay loan? How much you actually invested in REITs? You'll need like about 100K at least in REits to pay it man
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jasontoh,

I am actually managing more than that amount in my portfolio, but not all in REITs.
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post Aug 26 2010, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Aug 26 2010, 10:41 PM)
Actually. I got my house & my car almost fully paid for before I enter the stockmarket. ( I am just an ultra-conservative guy) At the moment, I'm REITs heavy (almost 60% of my portfolio). However, I am in the process of acquiring another house so I would have to trim down on my stockholding soon come up with the downpayment. I will keep my REITs and hopefully, they give me more than 8% which is better than the interest i hv to pay. Make sense or not  hmm.gif

At the same, I hope I can also keep committed in at least investing RM1K in REITs monthly. Tough juggling acts but at least on the way to financial freedom  tongue.gif
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whizzer,

You must be either putting a lot of money down for your first home and car or very short tenure of loan. Since you have your first home already, acquire a second house and rent it out. The dividend will only be used in the case of vacancy or tenant defaulting. Part of the dividend can be placed somewhere else, perhaps reinvested.

REITs is not like unit trust though. How can you invest RM1,000 into REIT when half of the industry is priced at RM1 and above? Besides, you will be losing out on the brokerage fee if you invest in such a small amount. It would be better to invest in a lump sum or commit RM1,000 to unit trust.
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Aug 26 2010, 11:05 PM)
I normally q my purchase to at least RM3K. The RM1K is just a personal yardstick for me to keep that amount ready dedicated for REIT in a month.  In summary, its a mindset thing. icon_rolleyes.gif
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whizzer,

That is a good start indeed. You are on the right track smile.gif

QUOTE(jutamind @ Aug 26 2010, 11:19 PM)
for all the sifus in REIT, if the stock price of REITs goes down a lot during market crash, do you buy more to average down the cost of investment? or sell off to protect the principal?

on the other hand, when the price goes sky high like now, do you sell off to take profit or hold on for dividend sake?
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jutamind,

"if the stock price of REITs goes down a lot during market crash, do you buy more to average down the cost of investment? or sell off to protect the principal?"
- If the price goes down a lot, why would a person sell it for no gain? Of course average down the cost.

"when the price goes sky high like now, do you sell off to take profit or hold on for dividend sake?"
- Take profit and do what with the money? I will just keep it and let it appreciate higher. REIT is an appreciating asset.

QUOTE(whizzer @ Aug 26 2010, 11:19 PM)
Ok.. back to REIT Q&A.

Recently, I was looking through STARREIT annual report & I notice that for 2010 because of the rationalization, 45% of REIT is in Convertible Preference Unit in Starhill Global REIT.

My question is :-
1) Will there be any interest paid for these 45% (i.e. will they be providing any form of income) ?
2) With only 55% of the properties generating income, will dividend for StarREIT be less for next quarter ?

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Preference shares have no interest or dividend entitlement.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 27 2010, 10:21 AM)
Not necessary, some preference shares do have fixed rate or fixed dividend. It depended on the issuance time

The Starhill Global convertible preference unit info, I gather from research report is like below
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Oppss, sorry for that mistake. Didn't go through the announcement smile.gif

But still 5.65% is kind of low. They seem to have not found the right investment for their stash. Even the conversion will be at 30% premium, seems that STAREIT is at the losing end.
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QUOTE(constant @ Aug 28 2010, 05:23 PM)
Hi Cherroy,

Your points sound reasonable.

When you say "Reit holders are deciding the acquistion can go through or not, not the property managers, so all reit holders decide.", how is the process? Is it the acquisition must go through some kind of resolution? The managers cannot decide at all? Thanks for explanation.

I agree with what you say. I just dun agree with many of the other posts here regarding expansion being surely good for the reits. But seriously, managers shouldn't be pressured to 'do something". It can be counter productive. Warren Buffett says," when there is nothing to do, do nothing."
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constant,

REIT management company will need to first propose the new acquisition for shareholders to vote. Nothing can be decided by the management companies themselves.

Who says that expansion through new acquisition is surely good? I for one do not go for that motion. If the yield for the new acquisition is below 8%, I will definitely go against the decision. But I will take into consideration the current DY for the counter. If the yield for the new acquisition is lower than the DY, then I will go against the proposal. If you are familiar with real properties in the country, you can even value the property yourself (that is if you do not trust the valuers).

As for AXREIT, I have confidence in the management because they have vast experience in the field. They started out as a developer before venturing out to starting Malaysia's first REIT. So I believe the chances of them making a wrong decision is slim. The only worry that most investors have with AXREIT is their habit of dealing in RPTs.
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QUOTE(constant @ Aug 28 2010, 11:11 PM)
Hi Jordy,

Thanks for explanation.

And, what is RPTs?
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constant,

RPTs = Related Party Transactions.
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QUOTE(monkeyking @ Sep 1 2010, 04:53 AM)
icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif Correct me if I'm wrong........your opinion please. notworthy.gif

whistling.gif  whistling.gif
1, Starhill REIT acquire the hotel from YTL
2, Starhill REIT then leaseback the hotel to YTL
3, YTL pay rental to Starhill REIT
4,Starhill REIT distribute rental received to unit holders.
icon_rolleyes.gif BTW, any new developments on Stareit?
wub.gif  Cheers to all.
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moneyking,

What is wrong with this? That is common business transaction for YTL to increase their cash on hand.
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Sep 2 2010, 11:03 PM)
umm.. from my understanding. its a conditional sale and purchase agreement, so its buyer willing seller willing. shouldn't have any impact on the share because it's an agreed interparty transfer between 2 significant shareholder. icon_rolleyes.gif

i also feel the price should fall to reflect the yield, ppl probably wouldn't jump the gun to buy reits when it's yielding below market average.. hmm.gif unless it's got a lot of funds attentions
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teehk_tee,

As for tomorrow, the sharks will be selling out to those market fools who will be rushing to buy at a higher price, thinking that the price will be going up to reflect the price which KWB is selling their shares.

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