Hi all,

I just saw some news about a New Zealand woman who has two bottles that, she claims, contain ghosts. The ghosts were purportedly captured in her house by an exorcist. The bottles were auctioned on the Trade Me website and, after attracting more than 200,000 page views in a week and receiving scores of comments, were eventually sold for over a thousand USD.

The woman claims that she will not profit from the sale. After paying the exorcist fees, the rest of the money would be donated to an animal charity.

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My question: Is there any scientific evidence that such paranormal creatures do exist?

Thank you

well no scientific reason why there's ghost in this world, but there's ghost

its everywhere, actually.

just our normal eyes can't see, some can see (that's really scary)

even my gf can see as well, when she was in melaka.

Google up for Genting Ria Apartment ghost stories and u can see tons of true (not all maybe some) ghost experience they have met.

if it exist, it doesn't seem to affect me. until i see one, see it's effect, .......personally, i think it does not exist.

think about it, what is the source of ghost?

Soul? well, there aint any science evidences that ghost exists. But doesnt mean it does not exist too, not until u meet one.

Saw the pic, looks like ice cream soda to me....but sold for so many $$

Back to the topic, no matter how we talk bout it here, it's just empty talk and also following some other ppl from the olden days who say ghost are soul of those who dead, not everyone can see, even cant be seen, they live around us
All these been repeated over and over again, but still no proven of their existence

I'm not denying their existence, i got nothing against it, just that no personal experience bout it, nor found any reliable source or info to support their existence
About those stories, pic, this and that from internet, again, internet information is not that reliable
It is very easy to make out, including the so-call "proof"
So i say, no source to support their existence, regardless how many ppl in this world said they met one, or a lot

I need to see it myself in order for me to believe it..

Its the same as existence of god, going no where except great story.

not why,because there's absolutely no evidence pointing towards the existence of ghosts....

This thread lacks rationality.

yap


for me, human is most dangerous from ghost

perompak pencuri perogol <<---- true ghost

there r no such thing as ghost in science...

There's nothing u may not believe

I believe in natural phenomena
if natural phenomena consist of ghost,
why not ?

scientific methods cannot prove there's a ghost out there.

but

is scientific method is the exact and accurate method to prove there's a ghost or not?

p/s: i don't believe in ghost. but i believe devils camouflage themselves to looks scary that we interpret it as ghost.

do you believe in god, since there is no proof of science for its existence.

yea i kinda agree what aniki said

Now that's strange. More than double - so far - voted that they believe in ghosts, yet most of those who posted comments said the opposite.

Are ghost-believers shy to comments and explain their postion?

By the way, regarding proving God scientifically, I don't think you should compare God to other 'things' like ghosts (if they exist).

My answer is two fold. Do I believe in ghosts? No. Are there scientific evidence? Yes. Confused? Well I've explained this in another thread about ghosts a long time back, BUT, ghostly experiences can be measured and explained. There is nothing super natural or paranormal about them. Just a little suggestion and a little imbalance in terms of electro magnetic waves or gas/chemical could reproduce such experiences.

Again it doesn't explain everything, but a whole lot can be explained by them.

heard ria apartment have a lot of stories. but i had never experienced any before. lolx

Personally i choose to believe they exists.. Although there aren't any major scientific evidence that can prove about their existence.. But i heard that some scientist explain its because of frequency of our eye.....

Normally that the "ghost" frequency will be different than out eyes... maybe too low for our eye to detect... When a "ghost" want to appear, they need to absorb the energy in the surrounding to increase their to make their appearance.. ( I donno if this is true or not, just pointing out some of the theory that i think its interesting)

But then, some people say they exists , some don't... But i think human is more scary than ghost =x

i don't quite believe in ghost. most ghost stories is told about friend's friend experience, ....or somes even they said saw some1 with long hair white dress floating around.. u see, if ghost is something as a spirit i understand, but cloths got no life in it... shouldn't they see the ghost naked instead of white dress?

I avoid PhD School thinking it is a bunch of PhD student talking about anti-matter, black hole etc etc... Till I see this Tittle

So who kill the man? Forensic proof he kill himself... you believe? that their science?.

You know what happen to the guy (doing science) who first publish our solar planet model? be headed.

Science try to explain how things work and you can predict what will happen next. It is still a far way to explain every things we have around us. So don't think if science can't proof it right it must be wrong. Politic, econ, academic and sometime religion got something to do with what science are doing. Who pay for the reserach? What they look for? Fact is not all scientific proof are able to publish... so say "can you handle the truht?"

read some astronomy, figure out how many earth like planet out there. if one of them have human with spacecraft going to moon, is there a chance others will be more advance than us? God only create human on earth? I say no ane have the proof. So is there UFO, I say yes even I have not see one myself.

Is there ghost and black magic? I say yes by pesonal experience but I do not want to talk more about it.

so am I a PhD student now?

This post has been edited by r1v3r: Mar 20 2010, 02:24 PM

All the while, I do not believe in ghost

though I've heard a lot of a lot from other people.

UNTIL this incident

recently, two of my good friend involved in a car accident which is quite serious

A = Driver , B = Passenger

A went and fetch B to head on to KL. Both of them were involved in car accident where A is seriously injured while B got away with minor injuries.

After the accident happen, B's grandma ask, why there are only 2 people involved in the accident? How about the girl who sit behind? ( B's grandma saw B went into A's car)

In the other hand, A's grandma who is a typical chinese. Went to those temple and those sifu or whatsoever about her grandson's luck. The sifu said, there's some spirit following him for quite sometime already.

What really happen is there are only 2 people on the car for the whole time.


Both side didnt know about each other and both seperate people saw the same thing...

it really creeps me somehow and I am the first few ppl who reach the hospital after the accident. Omg, now i'm really believing ghost/spirits already.

i heard there are meters can use to detect the ghosts.

that is very common hapenning. sometime i feel a presence also.

People seeing or hearing things is not an uncommon experience.

http://www.ted.com/talks/oliver_sacks_what..._our_minds.html

This is just one explanation of a few incidents.

r1v3r,
So u r saying there's proved of ghost there are not publishing?... i can handle the truth if u got 1, would u like to share?

MisterCrono,
How come B's grandma never see the gal sitting behind naked? Shouldn't the gal be naked if is some kind of spirit? or there's Versace's shop in under world?

My friend used to say there is a ghost in his house, they even changed the house and the ghost followed them. Their maid, his sister and other people at the house spotted/felt the ghost once in a while. They performed several ghost chasing rituals which did not work.

But lately they figured out more about the ghost. Actually his sister was having an affair with a guy and this guy sneak into the house once in a while to spend time with her. His sister just systematically and purposefully started a rumor of ghost in order to cover up the affair. It was very effective as the maid sometimes saw him during late nights and thought it was the ghost. This is how the story got amplified until the guy was spotted one day in her room and eventually the girl admitted it was never the ghost but him.

So, just be aware. There are culprits in the world who are ready to make use of your fear of ghost for their benefit. There might be a similar possibility in the case mentioned by MisterCrono. But not sure.

its weird actually.. i've seen one that was in my old school. we kinda got locked in the hall for a while.. n while i was walking out of the back of stage to the front, the other end corner, i saw a shadow that's full black with a white shirt. funny thing... nobody was in the hall except me n 2 other guys that was with me... n the hall was LOCKED.

PS: well, we had to do some knocking on the grills n screaming to get someone to realized we were still in the hall when they locked it. LOL~

Thats my question.. where do ghost get a shirt?... since shirt is just a lifeless fabrics, so it just materialize as cottons or silk?.. if u solve this problem, u can solve most economics problems of the world. materializing things out of nothing...

So, err i think they're n*k*d ... .... Ur question is a hard one..

reveal it if you got one...


i can't see a flying spaghetti monster,so which means it's everywhere?

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Jun 25 2010, 12:19 AM

i have met many ghost experience but i dont believe in it. i dont believe in black magic as well. saya ada ilmu kebal tau.

wow where did you learn that from?

we really need to know what are these 'ghosts' are. im not sure the term is derived from which of it first...an 'untraceable individual' (human) or 'untraceable energy' (spirit), anyway it does not really matter here, hence called ghost
from a book i read somewhere, the universe consists of many different dimensions. And we as humans perceive different dimensions that of other living beings such as ants. It is possible that there are ethereal beings stationed in different dimensions but unable to be perceived by humans by the naked eye, which some gifted people perceive them as 'ghosts'.
Its a norm, if you saw some unidentified object like lets say a white formless cloud floating in your room, im pretty sure you would call it a "ghost!", rather than "oh hey its a formless untraceable energy in my room! its so cool!"
the evidence of the existence of the spirits has been very vague till now as there are many doctored images and fake witnesses hoping for fame and wealth.
It really is controversial determining an 'untraceable' energy or spirit exist or do not exist. The scientists may not have discovered a new form of energy which recognise the 'spirits' or parts of it, for example life signs detectors as we use today in finding survivors or terrorists.

anyway if you believe ghosts in how you define them, then ghosts exist in your reality, but not necessary in others

This post has been edited by Keith321: Apr 5 2010, 05:33 PM

not sure if i was having a dream or it was real, yday nite, i felt like my body was nearly possessed by a spirit. Not the first time happening, but long long time ago, there was this same incident. It was like so real that I held on praying till drop back to sleep. And, before I slept yday, there were series of bad things that happen. Probably it was just a dream....

It's sleep paralysis.

Can our human minds actually conceive the existence of ghosts? By what means do we define ghosts to be ghosts? Are ghosts human like? Why human like? Why not plant like? If so, why aren't ghosts shaped like the crystal lattices in salt? It would be weird wouldn't it? A blood soaked, white surface crystal lattice floating around, just there. Hopefully trying to send a shiver down your spine.


No i don't believe in ghosts. However! I believe some of the dead are still able to interact with those alive. I don't classify them as ghosts though.

holy shit. i cant believe so many people actually believe in ghost.

Think again:

Why human resort to scientific methods? because it's widely accepted. It is true (in it's domain of prediction) at all time. Of course anything not proven is by 'pure logic', doesn't give a conclusion. But think of it this way: The existence of ghost is not clearly defined. IE: we always attribute ghost as something 'intelligent' and we always attribute them to stuff that actually break laws of physics (eg: they fly in speed >c! they change from dark matter (we cant see) to normal matter (we can see) in miliseconds! they... (you list it!)) ok so here's the problems:

1. they (assuming existence) live in same universe and hence must obey laws of physics
2. i doubt the existence of laws beyond what we know in macroscopic region
3. i strongly doubt (if exist) that it can be intelligent
4. and omg. wth. whatever.

Ghost may be dreadful to some ( who believe it ) but at least the abuse is more to personal , it does not has devastating impact to community . What I concern more is the opposite... ; remember... abused irrational thinking will lead to irremediable disaster

It's really just speculations. I refuse to believe it until proven, I'll change my viewpoint then.

No scientific eveidence for ghost doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. maybe we don't have the technology to sense them yet. You cann't say that before Isaac Newton found gravity, gravity did not exist. It is just that at that time it was not proven.

and yes i do believe in ghost.

and for science, scientist should believe in the impossible and use science to prove it possible if not, we won't have any new discoveries.

I never believed in ghosts. I never believed in gods either. Actually i never believed in something which i cant see with my own eyes...

what about wind? heat? cold? can u see it with ur own eyes?

wind, heat, cold all can be measure empirically,can you do that for ghosts?

17 no including me, 39 yes and 11 not sure. so few interested to vote? I assume their answer is no and don't even bother.

I wonder how many people in a given society do believe, since it is just story, people who believe is easily convinced by a good story as most people like to watch TV or movies and listen to the radio.

Fantasy can make money and a lot of people willing to pay for it.

Hmm.. Ghost is said 2 b an entity form up by negative Electrons.. That's why when they're near some video cam da cam show no battery.. I'm not sure about da existent of the so called ghost but spirit yes!!

ghost is exist actually. mine fren saw them for a couple times. i also did. they are genie tribe u know

+1, until it is scientifically proven, my answer will remain neutral hehe

Since there is no evidence, whats the point of saying something that is not proven to be true can be true?
Science only can be use to prove things, not to make untrue become true.
Before newton discover the theory of gravity, gravity is adi exist, just that people dont know such thing as gravity. It's not that before newton discover gravity, everyone is flying or floating in the air but not after he discover it.

Only pure belief, no problem.

No but it is adi proven.
Unless u say it is actually not true, then u need to provide ur own theory.

The ghost says thank you for believing in me but did a lousy description of me.

haha, guys, I was once skeptical like you all, and said I won't believe until I saw one, I guess third time makes me a believer.

any specific meaning of ghost here? cause I got few versions running my head..

by the way, there`s this show on discovery, about a group of scientist(i think) whom persue the trail of ghost by using scientific instuments...

any DEADliest catch?

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Added on September 24, 2010, 11:40 pmIF we can define ghost, then we can measure it....

what property does ghost hold? EM(electomagnetic), heat? light? plasma?

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Sep 24 2010, 11:40 PM

wow! thanks for sharing.

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Added on September 25, 2010, 12:09 amcan you see electricity? so you shouldn't believe there is something there, but if you stick your finger in the electrical socket I think it will make a believer out of you.

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Added on September 25, 2010, 12:12 ama thread about ghosts of course lacks rationality just like a thread on physics would lack spirituality. you are supposed to suspend your rational mind and leave logic behind otherwise you can't enter the Twilight Zone.

This post has been edited by wongpeter: Sep 25 2010, 12:12 AM

Let me remind everyone this is not a sub forum for sharing ghost stories. You can do that at Kopitiam. This place is for academic/intellectual discourse.

I have a close friend whom claim that he is borned with sueprior eyesight that could see ghost... asked him about the details and it spokes me out.

No evidence for ghost means most likely it does not exist. You don't need science for that, do you? Isaac newton did not find gravity. We all know the effects of gravity without even knowing isaac newton. What you need to do is to formulate some laws that describe ghosts, but ubfortunately for you, the effects of ghosts are unknown, thus the conclusion that ghosts do not exist. Imagine if ghosts are like the effects of gravity, I doubt anyone here would say no.

So no for me.

I am confused...

can someone clear my doubts please...

what is ghost? spirit? ginnie?

after all the debate, no clear picture of the subject is being laid upon

I do not believe in ghosts.

If one day I do happen to see a ghost, I will not be scared but be happy (Woe betide the ghost trying to scare me). Because it is proof to me that there is life after death. Until then, it's BS to me.

can u ask him describe how the ghost look like in detail... and can u ask him to bring me to hunt for ghost?... if we can prove ghost exist we'll be rich... do u know there a big reward for any solid prove for supernatural? about US$1million... i'll share the reward with u and ur friend....

True. The existence of ghosts have not been proven or 100% debunked yet. Along with many other things, I suppose.

I would appreciate if you can let me know at which point in this thread was I sharing ghost stories? Thanks.

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note: the terminology may be less than correct cos I don't have a scientific background.

Is it true that classical mechanics or the so-called Newtonian physics breaks down at the atomic and sub-atomic levels ie to say when we go into Quantum physics. This proof of ghosts that is demanded may have to do with physical properties such as light (a picture of a ghost captured on film or digital format), temperature (detection of temperature differentials at the onset of the appearance of apparitions), sound, magnetic waves, electrical phenomena, electro motive forces etc. All these forces of course can be measured with scientific instruments or even ordinary digicams. But what if ghosts are not in the realm of Newtonian physics? What if ghosts are at the atomic or sub-atomic level ie Quantum physics. Wouldn't that mean that it is physically impossible for ordinary scientific instruments to detect ghosts? A very simple analogy would be to try and measure the flow of electrons with a barometer! The instrument is just not up to the task. Maybe at our present level of technology we just don't have the requisite instruments to detect and quantify this phenomenon called ghosts which explains why asking for scientific evidence of ghosts is a moot question.

This post has been edited by wongpeter: Oct 1 2010, 12:38 AM

now then......what are the effects caused by ghost? is there any ? there are many assumptions no doubt..... what is important is the process of verification of them.....
if it has any effect on the physical realm then we can measure them....

When we are still speculating that the existence of ghosts may not be verifiable by present day technology how can we even begin to talk about their causality in the physical realm?

I am of the opinion that the human being by himself is a far more advanced and sensitive 'instrument' than any known scientific instrument available today. So whilst some of us can attest to the existence of ghosts there can be no tangible proof by way of say photos, instrument readouts, graphs and measurements, physical manifestations etc that ghosts actually exists.

Sorry, but when it comes to this animals beat humans.

is a human not in the physical realm?
so anything felt by the human IS measurable.

pls update urself with current technology, theres a bing bang machine (CERN Collider) where it can sense even sub-atomic quack where previously is just a theory... ur theory on ghost as sub-atomic level are flaws without even theoretical reasoning... how ghost is sub-atomic? if ghost is electron, i just use an earthed iron rod would eliminated them.. if ghost is form of energy wave, a simple hand phone call(micro wave) would destroy them ...

My posting is not about 'my theory on ghosts'. It was basically that I don't know what ghosts are and that instruments at the present level of technology probably cannot detect or prove their existence.

"ur theory on ghost as sub-atomic level' - Don't take what I say out of context. If I did say that you are more than welcomed to quote me. I had meant that ghosts are probably beyond Newtonian physics, maybe even beyond Quantum physics.

"if ghost is electron"
- I did not say that ghost is electron.
"if ghost is form of energy wave"
- I did not say that ghost is energy wave.
My whole argument is that the so-called proof of ghosts has to do with detection by instruments in the realm of Newtonian physics, and since ghosts may be beyond the realm of Newtonian physics it is therefore beyond detection at this point in time. Beyond the realm of Newtonian physics could even mean surpassing present limits of knowledge ie Quantum physics. I don't see how having read my posting, you can jump to the conclusion that I said that:
1. ghost are on a sub-atomic level
2. ghost is form of energy wave
when in effect I am saying something quite to the contrary. Pls update yourself in the English department.

"pls update urself with current technology, theres a bing bang machine (CERN Collider) where it can sense even sub-atomic quack where previously is just a theory"
- If you want to indulge in rhetoric then let me ask you this, has there been any experiments done to prove the existence of ghosts with this CERN Collider? If not, I fail to see the relevancy of your bringing this CERN Collider into your argument unless you are suggesting I run some tests with this CERN Collider to prove the existence of ghosts.

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Added on October 1, 2010, 2:26 pm"so anything felt by the human IS measurable."
- So there an instrument to measure or quantify the emotions like love or grief?

This post has been edited by wongpeter: Oct 1 2010, 02:28 PM

You should have a look at the advances made in the neurology field.

r u guys showing off how much u know about ghost and electrons ? lol... update yourself with new technology, this and that, bla bla bla....

anyway, yea I don't believe in ghost or god until I see one and feel one. all this just made up by humans.

Yes I do believe that the brain (mind) has a lot to do with the perception of ghosts. In certain Tibetan meditational practices the meditator summons up demons & ghosts to let them feed on his body. This is symbolic of eating away undesirable personality aspects, traits and emotions such as ego, pride, fear, hate, jealousy etc. Somehow there is the realization that such demons and ghosts are not external but rather from within the personality itself.

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Added on October 1, 2010, 6:45 pm"anyway, yea I don't believe in ghost or god until I see one and feel one. all this just made up by humans."
- wow your post is really deep & profound! I think I will have to read it many times b4 I can begin to understand what you are trying to say!

This post has been edited by wongpeter: Oct 1 2010, 06:55 PM

yes there is.
when the unknown becomes know where will the ghost be hiding next? maybe in the subsubsubsub of particles?

This post has been edited by slimey: Oct 1 2010, 09:10 PM

it is a super natural phenomenal

it is a idiopathic phenomenal............maybe not?

oops! I made a typo. It should read: "So is there an instrument to measure or quantify the emotions like love or grief?"

yes.. with MRI or CAT scan u can measure intensity of emotion,.. with blood test u can accurately measure the contain of Oxytocin, dophamine, cortisol, GH, norepinephrine and others hormone that responsible for our emotion... u clearly lack of scientific knowledge.......



on first 2 bold statement, u r saying ghost phenomena might be atomic or sub-atomic level, and stating Quantum physics as a possible explanation for ghost.... no?

so Quantum physics for every matter consist:
1)form of combination of sub-atomic particle.. i.e.. electron, proton, neutron, quarks, anti matter... where electron is the only free moving particle..
2)form of wave.. frequency depend on particle matter
3)form of energy..

no?

ur 3rd statement saying we don't have technology yet to detect this ghost phenomena b'cos of quantum physics?.. no?
CERN Collider is made by scientist for purposed to observe quantum effect of quantum phenomena.. since we got the technology to sense and record particle from quark to anti-matter.. we do have the technology to prove whether if ghost is on quantum theory or not... if u willing to fund(billions) this project to prove ghost existence, u r most welcome...

seems like every supernatural phenomena is using quantum theory as excuse for existence without knowing what is the link or how it explain it... is this a trend?

This post has been edited by randyhow: Oct 2 2010, 03:02 PM

To me ghost is an apparition from another dimension.

This post has been edited by DarkNite: Oct 2 2010, 03:38 PM

"u clearly lack of scientific knowledge......."
very early on in my postings I already made it known that I don't have a scientific background but seeing as this topic was about ghosts I didn't think it was a very scientific subject.

"first 2 bold statement"
- It was a question and not a statement of fact, when I said "What if ghosts are at the atomic or sub-atomic level ie Quantum physics." (I had inadvertently left out the question mark, but I think it is still reasonable to read that as a question and not a statement.) Is Quantum physics at the very limits of scientific knowledge? I think not.

"ur 3rd statement saying we don't have technology yet to detect this ghost phenomena"
- I said "Maybe at our present level of technology we just don't have the requisite instruments to detect and quantify this phenomenon called ghosts". 'Present level of technology' could be taken to be inclusive of your CERN Collider unless that is some form of alien technology. If i recall correctly, you were the one who brought this CERN Collider into your argument and yet you ask if I have the billions to fund this project?!! I do not know what your scientific background is but u clearly lack of logic and reasoning in your convoluted arguments!

Getting back to the topic proper which is 'Do you believe in GHOSTS?' I would have to say that at least in my case, there is insufficient data for me to say unequivocally that I don't believe in GHOSTS! And that is not the same as saying I believe in ghosts. I am just comfortable to be a fence sitter and if your CERN Collider has incontrovertible proof that ghosts do not exist then more power to you!


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This post has been edited by wongpeter: Oct 3 2010, 07:35 PM

I have that hunch too...

BTW, scienctist also hypothesise that the other dimensions that you and I take into account exist just as now.... their distance is nto very far apart and infact near to unseperatable... as close as super minute niche with the distance of atomic scale

the truth is out there, i rather believe than not believing the existing of it

i got 2 question to u:

1) why u upset of me not agreeing the theory of ghost to quantum physics?

2) since i'm not agreeing to the theory of ghost to quantum physics, why the burden of proof is on me? i brought out CERN Collider to point out our technological advancement had achieve the level of observing quantum phenomena(even create mini big bang), to disagree with u that we don't have the technology to do it, or did i say it too technically u couldn't understand?....

maybe i should remake my point:

You Are Wrong

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Added on October 11, 2010, 12:22 amlol.. parallel universe theory... ya... in theory and calculation there's might be a parallel universe... but to explain ghost phenomena with this , will be too naive...

point 1) u need tremendous amount of energy to tear open the cosmic fabric, like a black hole or worm hole(ring around black hole)... if the ghost is from another dimension, it's transition in between 2 world, would already have destroy both world, i don't think the ghost would in anyway survive for u to be seen...

point 2) if ghost is from other dimension, then it is not from our world... then it is not undead of somebody on our dimension.. then it is not ghost anymore... rite?

This post has been edited by randyhow: Oct 11 2010, 12:22 AM

Usually I have no problem with people believing with ghosts, until recently my superstitious housemate started annoying me. You see, she's convinced her room's haunted. She doesn't dare sleep with the light off. Her room is the only one with a light on at night, and because my house is an old house, and the walls let light shine in through small slits , I get light shining on my face every night. As a person who prefers complete darkness to sleep, this irritates me.

I've talked to her about her irrational beliefs, but she's still convinced her room's haunted. Even though the people who stayed in that room before never complained about ghosts or spirits.

I'm surprised that so many people voted Yes to believing in ghosts. I bet many of you who voted Yes are religious, yes? And I'm quite surprised at the lack of knowledge of basic physics. Thus far there is no concrete evidence for ghosts. The arguments I've read so far for the possible existence of ghosts are based on pseudo-science that sounds more like science fiction than experimentally verifiable theories.

This post has been edited by Andrew Lim: Oct 11 2010, 02:35 PM

Fear is an emotional response to a perceived threat. It is a basic survival mechanism which occurs when someone feels threatened by something he/she doesnt know. With reasoning and logic thinking lesser people will believe in all this pseudoscience crap.

I guess the dark still frightens a lot of people. It's kind of understandable, when it's dark one of your most important senses (sight) is practically useless. Your body probably doesn't like it so you start feeling anxious but you can't understand the source of anxiety some might attribute it to external phenomena like ghosts, spirits, Sauron, etc.

well as a muslim we should believe on it,as believe in "ghaib" thingy is a basis to our faith.

Lol..this says all about skeptics because I for one believe ghost do not exist. Who in their right minds will spend eternity scaring the crap out of us?

"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." - Delos McKown

What is the definition of Ghost ? i would rather call it as demons. Becasue when a human soul left the body, it will not be on earth but rather in hell or heaven.


Only Demons take form of human and live among us on this earth.

U can read the bible to understand clearly on this matter.

Do u guys know that haunted place are high in infrasound frequency? it can induce hallucination...

infrasound

Infrasound refers to extreme bass waves or vibrations, those with a frequency below the audibility range of the human ear (20 Hz to 22 kHz). Even though these waves can't be heard by us, they can be felt and have been shown to produce a range of effects in some people including anxiety, extreme sorrow, and chills. "Loud infrasound in the range of 0.5 to 10 Hz is sufficient to activate the vestibular, or balance system, in the inner ear."* Psychologist Richard Wiseman of the University of Hertfordshire thinks that the odd sensations that people attribute to ghosts may be caused by infrasonic vibrations.* He is not alone.

In 1998, Vic Tandy, experimental officer and part-time lecturer in the school of international studies and law at Coventry University, and Dr. Tony Lawrence of the psychology department wrote a paper called "Ghosts in the Machine" for the Journal of the Society for Psychical Research. They cited infrasound as the cause of apparitions seen by staff at a so-called haunted laboratory in Warwick.

Several years earlier, Tandy was working late in the "haunted" Warwick laboratory when he saw a gray thing coming for him. "I felt the hairs rise on the back of my neck," he said. "It seemed to be between me and the door, so the only thing I could do was turn and face it."* But the thing disappeared. However, it reappeared in a different form the next day when Tandy was doing some work on his fencing foil. "The handle was clamped in a vice on a workbench, yet the blade started vibrating like mad," he said. He wondered why the blade vibrated in one part of room but not in another. The explanation, he discovered, was that infrasound was coming from an extractor fan. "When we finally switched it off, it was as if a huge weight was lifted," he said. "It makes me think that one of the applications of this ongoing research could be a link between infrasound and sick-building syndrome." When he measured the infrasound in the laboratory, the showing was 18.98 hertz--the exact frequency at which a human eyeball starts resonating. The sound waves made his eyeballs resonate and produced an optical illusion: He saw a figure that didn't exist.*

Infrasonic waves can carry over long distances and are less susceptible to disturbance or interference than higher frequencies.

Infrasound may be produced by wind, by some types of earthquakes, by ocean waves, and by such things as avalanches, volcanoes, and meteors.* Elephants have the ability to emit infrasound that can be detected at a distance of 2 km. Even tigers emit infrasound.*

http://www.skepdic.com/infrasound.html

Things like ghost and paranormal activities do have scientific explanation. it's just we don't discover it yet.

I like to quote a riwayat if i may. i don't remember the exact word but it sounds just like this "Dip one of your finger into the ocean. the water around your finger is comparable the amount of human knowledge, while the water of whole ocean is the amount of God's knowledge"

Again and again and again (x3), why do u think that something might exist in the future when there is nothing to prove that for now?

Do you know ball lightning? there's no solid explanation yet about this phenomenon even though it happen around right here on earth and not on some distant star system. but i believe as technology advances, we may eventually find out what they really are.

This post has been edited by Fadly: Oct 16 2010, 07:16 PM

Keyword : Interpenetrating, with different space-time notion.

An object of which the speed of the vortex movement is increased above the speed of light will disappear from this physical universe and enter a super-physical universe. This super-physical universe has its own space-time realm, distinct from the physical space-time. The physical and super-physical universes are interpenetrating each other. They are not separated by space and time but by a dimension that is the speed of the vortex movement

http://www.sciforums.com/criterion-for-an-...eld-t-1178.html

This post has been edited by Royde: Oct 16 2010, 10:56 PM

As usual....but once u are experiencing it, u will start to believe a ghost.....there are many place where ghost can be found....

Okay im muslim but.. I think.. I dont believe in ghost.
Btw, when I was a child about 6 years old, I was in a car, sitting at the back next to my elder brother n younger sister while my dad was driving the car on a highway and my mom was sitting next to him. I was so bored during the journey to balik kampung i guess. I got nothing to do so i climbed up the seat and looking at behind the car. From far I saw there were 2 hantu pocongs(if u dunno just google image la) were hopping straight into the jungle next to the highway. I was small and that was the 1st time i saw a ghost. Never saw it even on tv. So I was kinda baffled but i just kept it to myself until when i was 10 years old n saw that ghost on tv then only I asked my mom about it.
This is a truth story guys.. Im not making up stories k. After that never encountered anything like that anymore.

But having said that, i still dont believe in the existence of ghost. Maybe what i saw was just someone trying to play ghost or something. Dunno.
Im not arrogant but if ghost really do exist I really would like to have a conversation with him/it and ask a LOOOOT of questions..

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Added on October 17, 2010, 12:10 amBlind faith bro

This post has been edited by izdyharz: Oct 17 2010, 12:10 AM