Hallo Every Lowyat Forumer~~!!!

This is the 1ST Thread about Regular Wireless Mouse.
Why i am open this Thread? It is because it seem no many had talk a lot of wireless mouse, but in our real world had many people start used wireless mouse (maybe is modern trend).

In the same time, today's wireless mouse price seem much affortable than last few years, and many people prefer laptop/notebook & netbook, and the demand of the wireless mouse had increase.

But still have many people confuse which brand to choose (in term of price, performance, stability)?
That's why i create a poll with many brand to let you all choose, which brand is most people prefer it.

For your reference, below are the links to each brand (A-Z):
- Apple -
- A4Tech -
- AVF Rapoo -
- CLiPtec -
- Dicota -
- E-VIEW -
- Fujitsu -
- G-Shark -
- Genius -
- Gigabyte -
- Logitech -
- Microsoft -
- Power Logic -
- Sensonic -
- Targus -


Currently most of the Wireless Mouse using this two Technology: 2.4Ghz Radio Frequency & Bluetooth

Benefit of these two Wireless Technology:
- Able to connect the wireless devices much further, e.g.: maximum distance 9 meter.
- Lower drop out connection rate or low chance of lagging.
- Much easier to get in the market.

Difference between 2.4GHz & Bluetooth:
2.4Ghz
- Have USB receiver to connect the wireless devices (Mouse, Keyboard, etc). If lost it, just buy new set
- Need an USB port to plug the receiver.
- Plug & Play, easy to connect.
- Limited wireless devices can be connect in the same time (1 keyboard & 1 mouse @ 1 keyboard & 2 mice).
- Can be perform much further distance (e.g.: upto 15~20 Meters)
- Much stable technology and can be match the wired mouse performance (e.g.: polling/report rate, DPI)
- Almost no drop out connection & delay.

Bluetooth
- No receiver need. (If you Laptop or Computer have built-in Bluetooth Connection)
- Quite complicate for 1st time connection between PC & wireless devices. But once connected, is link togother forever.
- Able to connect up to 7 bluetooth devices.
- because of transfer signal is much busier compare to 2.4Ghz wireless, it will cause some delay quite often.
- also because of transfer signal, it drain more battery power compare to 2.4Ghz.
- Need pay $$$ to bluetooth organization, thus much pricer.

Here is link to help to choose better Bluetooth Wireless Mouse: -> Bluetooth Organization Certified Input Devices





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Mouse Sensor Engine

From old days, usually was use ball mouse, once came out an optical sensor that change the way the mouse move. Until now, still many Mice using optical sensor engine even in wireless.

In the today's market, there have few manufacturer came out much advance and better Sensor Engine that out perform than Optical Sensor.
Below are few of it:

- Dual Lens Optical Sensor
-> It has 2 Lenses instead of 1 optical lens inside the mouse. What is the benefit? It can work more surfaces (especially in shining surfaces) than normal optical mouse and run more smooth. One drawback is double the power consumption than normal optical mouse, thus haven't see this technology implement on wireless mouse.

- BlueLight
-> Can be found on AVF Rapoo Mice. From the sources I found (http://www.rapoo.com/ - only in chinese version) , it claimed that more precise / accurate, smooth on tracking and draw less power than optical mouse.

- Laser
-> Quite common technology that used by several manufacturer. Usually not light on the bottom of the mouse, and the smoothness and speed is quite outstanding than optical. But certain laser sensor is consume / draw more power than ordinary optical sensor. Plus, the cost of the sensor is much expensive than optical sensor. This is why most of the Laser mice is much more expensive than others.

- BlueTrack
-> Found on Microsoft Mice. It is combination of Optical & Laser Technology, and the sensor able to work on most surfaces virtually (include carpet, metal, smooth woods), except on glass surfaces.
For more details: Microsoft BlueTrack

- Darkfield Laser Tracking™
-> New Technology created from Logitech, is really powerful Laser Sensor that able to work on many surface virtually - even on glass (*with certain condition - 4mm minimum thickness surfaces of transparent glass, but not on clean glass) .
For more details, can be found at Logitech Website.

- GlassRun
-> A New Technology created from A4Tech, it is a new Design Optical Sensor that much better than Laser (in term on percision & performance), even can work on slightly dusty glass surfaces, and 30% less power consumption than normal optical sensor mice.
For more details, can be found at A4Tech Website.


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Hope this will help a many "boy-boy", "girl-girl", "aunty-uncle", "di di & mei mei", and bla bla bla... ... able to choose the best what they own.

Here is the link to let you know about basic knowledge about Wireless Mouse Technology:
how a wireless mouse works
Wireless Mouse

Hope this Thread will get a lot of feedback from many user and help other newbie to choose a good mouse.

Correct Me if i m wrong for above information.

This post has been edited by WalkBaby: Jun 9 2010, 02:16 PM

not gonna post any comment or support. the list not even complete.
where's razer mamba and razer orochi section?
roccat pyra? where?

Bro,topic had stated, "Regular Wireless Mouse"...
Not all ppl like u, afford to buy high price wireless gaming mouse.

Or u can open a thread like "Wireless Gaming Mouse Thread"?

I m go for A4Tech, because i have fre use it. dunno when she brought it, she said really smooth using it & can change speed also.

LX700 user. 7 years and still counting. Never fail, except for the charging dock.

u do realise that brands like logitech, microsoft and targus have their own expensive wireless mouses? and some are not exactly what we would call "regular".
logitech vx nano? g7?
microsoft x8? laser bluetooth?
targus bluetooth?

This post has been edited by Everdying: Mar 12 2010, 02:52 PM

I understand your meaning, some branded wireless have their high-end spec with expensive price, but not more than the wireless gaming mouse.

simply said "regular" is not as "gaming" mouse.

This post has been edited by WalkBaby: Mar 12 2010, 03:13 PM

if not mistaken, microsoft laser bluetooth is more expensive than razer orochi.
while the likes of the logitech vx nano, microsoft x8 are priced about the same.
im sure there are also other "regular" ones that are more expensive than "gaming" ones.

i see. if you have any proof for the price u mean about these wireless mouse, can you share it to us?
Many forumer sure interested about it.

really as a TS starting the "definitive" thread on wireless mouse, you should at least be aware of certain prices.
anyway, as i dont really spoonfeed ppl...but since its friday...heres one right here in our garage sales.

Microsoft Hardware Wireless Mobile 1GB Memory USB Mouse 8000
Price @ RM310.00
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1044624&hl=

thats not really a cheap price for a wireless mouse thats not for gaming is it?

Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 8000 user here

I guess TS have to change his definition Regular wireless mouse thread regardless of pricing then

Thanks to share with this links. Now i only know Microsoft still sell these expensive wireless mouse.

By the way, i found an interesting wireless product for microsoft at LYP. is a NEW model, and the price is much affortable than the link u show me.

Change the thread to a general Wireless Mice Thread. Wireless mice aren't that hot a topic here that we need to separate them. If you're not going to it, we'll just get a mod to do it.

Logitech v470 user here. Ok mouse, but I prefer if it was built more durably. It's pretty flimsy compared to the other mice I have.

I just bought cliptec wireless mouse from hikari85 for just RM55.
Very nice and compatible with me netbook.
Now I can eliminate all the unwanted wires. Haha.

Found this Microsoft New Wireless BlueTrack Mouse, seem attractive
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseand...ls.aspx?pid=017

bluetrack is useless.........consuming too much of power

i consider bluetrack is a new kind of eyecandy to public, like, WOWZOR Blue instead of Red. MUST GET

Bluetrack can track all surfaces? How many DPI?

any idea how long warantty does microsoft mouse provide? my 1 years+ ms laser 6000 mouse starting to fail on me edi

AFAIK their hardware = 3 years warranty.

How long is Logitech's warranty?

Any idea on how to claim their warantty?

Find your receipt, find out where u buy 1st, then ask them where to claim warranty (if they help u to sent it, that will be really good).
Once you find out what is the distributor for the product, then you will know where to go.

Is there any differ between bluetrack with other blue optical light mouse? because have fre use blue light optical wireless mouse (dunno which brand)... ...

To me, Bluetrack is much superior in working on glass or any other surface besides mouse mats.

i'm an output addict. to clear up some fuss and fanboyism


Bluefield is a sensor standard. it tracks well on most surfaces, so long as there is no bumps and stuffs. There is at all, no need for mats as long as not all of your house items are made from glass


Darkfield is the latest sensor standard on the consumer market. i generally tracks on any surfaces even on glass(must be 4mm thick, but i managed to track on light reflecting surfaces 2mm thick with only minor jittering with my friend's anywhere mouse)



why razer IS NOT a general wireless mouse


i) laser sensors are supposed to be PRECISE. razer mice DOES NOT track precisely without surface(confirmed with my friend's lachesis, lots of jitter above 3k DPI, dunno if it is fixed). orochi also does not track properly wirelessly according to some source and this is even agreed on your razer thread

ii) they have no low end wireless product. wirelessly speaking, RM150~ is considered a good low end solution

iii) logitech>razer in the general market. if you disagree, this proves that you are a fanboy. go check your razer thread on just how much RMA issues there are as well as faulty products. my friend had his 1 years old g5 damaged, sent to RMA, and got a brand new g500 instead.

iv) logitech has advantages with the unifying receiver. you can have all your output hardwares wirelessly connected with just 1 receiver. and i dont consider mamba's big wireless receiver a potent competitor.



my answer is more logitech oriented since i know more about logitech's solution. but currently i agree that logitech's darkfield costs too much. a standard microsoft bluefield is good enough IMO, unless you want gaming grade. g7 is a good wireless gaming mouse but i've heard battery issues.

I don't know why you're getting so emo.

Regarding darkfield, bluetrack and whatever kind of superior tracking technology, it's all just a gimmick to me. Of course, in the lab it will probably be able to track the mouse on whatever king of extreme conditions thrown at it. However I doubt anyone would ever come across any such condition in real life.

I've been using my Logitech MX518 for almost two years now. It's for my laptop, which I travel all around with. To date, I've yet to come across any surface on which the mouse won't work, even glass tables. So infra-red optical mice do perform well.

I also have a RM15 optical mouse that won't work on any surface.

What I can conclude is the optical tech hardly has any real world difference if the manufacturer designs it properly.

I also don't see how my Logitech laser mouse is any more precise compared to my infra-red mouse.

it is wireless?

When I voted for this poll, I thought it would be inclusive of wireless gaming mice and so I selected for Microsoft Sidewinder X8.

For regular wireless mice, I own Microsoft IntelliExplorer 2.0 and Apple Mighty Mouse. The Apple Mighty Mouse is slightly superior in tracking compared to the Microsoft's, probably because of its laser tracking. It works even in transparent glass.

the sidewinder is 50% cheaper and is bluefield. if it wasnt for the shape and for the large puck-like receiver, it would have been an all rounder like the intellimouse

I like laser mouse because they don't have annoying blings

My v470 is wireless

My complain on laser is they have trouble working on certain surface or cheap mats. i have no problem with optical but after shifting the upgrade to laser tech, makes me wanna switch back to conventional optical mouse. I have to admit for laser, you can work more than 2k cpi or dpi with precision. but in reality, we don't utilize much of this feature unless you have a super duper high resolution screen which requires minimal motion.

I use 5700DPI on 1080p screen. Feels good.

Who knows about the wireless mouse battery life performance, any info about it?

Why this topic talk on wireless become LAser and Optical discussion....?????

don't have Razer Mamba?

Btw do you guys turn off your mouse everytime you shutdown your desktop/laptop? My previous mouse (microsoft), the mouse has a slot underneath the mouse for the receiver, and when i slot in my receiver, it will turn off.

Now i just bought a bluetooth mouse (Logitech V470), and there's the on/off button at the bottom? Everyday on and off, a bit ... weird. Can i just leave it like that?

which wireless laser mouse is recommended for big hands user? no need so high-end one btw, thks~

i'm using sidewinder x8, it has on/off button also, the first few times when i use it i on/off, after that quite lazy already, just leave it on even when i shutdown my pc, coz the mouse will either go into standby or turn off itself anyway. don't really see a big difference in battery life.

just remember to turn it off when charging, or it will reduce battery life span when using while charging

i never turn of my wireless keyboard and mouse, one of the mouse 6 years using still kicking.

different ppl have different hand and different way hold the mouse, in my case i have 6 years old MX1000 and 2 month old MX revolution, but i prefer MX1000, review from web most of them prefer MX revolution.

the best is go shop try it, hold the mouse and feel it in ur hand, that is the best way to know which is good for u

i see, thanks for the tip!

EIDT: just tried it, mouse doesnt work while charging with the mouse off. have to on while charging if wanna use

This post has been edited by dlwl: Jun 1 2010, 12:34 PM

can u try 1 more thing?
remove the battery with the cable plugged in, does the x8 work?

it works, but the lcd and light keeps blinking alerting you that there's no battery installed or no power. it's quite annoying after some time
but if you can stand it then no problem and the mouse feels lighter too..

but then ppl say x8 if low on batt doesnt work as well as it should.
i guess its the same with the batt removed?

dunno about that, seems to me like there's no difference. didn't try it with gaming though, with the batt removed. there was once i was playing assassin's creed II with the x8 low on batt, still ok.

thanks for the info, i didn't know mouse doesn't charge while the switch is off, this is a suprise to me.

you misunderstood my statement there, while the mouse is off, it still charges, but you can't use it coz it doesn't move

opps, nice mice u hv there but those are too high-end 4 me; ...and i couldn't afford them
i think logitech mx518 size is fine, so looking for wireless that is with about the same size

lol, sorry, i humiliated myself. seems like i fail to read that sentence. LOL
ahahahaha, i can't stop myself from laughing.

Ahh, i see. at first i thought you're saying charging doesn't work when the switch is off, which i thought the on and off switch was actually stopping power reaching both battery and system itself. anyway, thanks for the info.

Had updates new info -> Mouse Sensor Engine

Correct me if have any wrong information.
Thank You

lol...no worries man..take it easy
you're most welcome..hehe

hello guys,
i planed to buy avf rapoo gaming wireless mouse v8,
any comment?

Avf Rapoo (actually Rapoo brand origin from China, AVF just take their products and "chop" own name) just get serious about it since end of last years and some advertisement can be found at local computer magazine.

You can find some info about AVF Rapoo Wireless Gaming Mouse v8 at Gaming Thread or old version.
Otherwise google search about the review at taiwan & china website.

I m support A4Tech~
Anyone want give me a bad feedback? (Joke only.)

Feel Free to ask me or P.M. me if regrading about any A4Tech Wireless Mouse.

Thank You.

I would actually, if I am that free
Waiting for Mad Catz' Mouse currently~
Ratz 9 ought to prove nice

I thought can get logitech wireless mouse around 1xx that is wireless geh?

I'm waiting that RAT 9 too, hope it arrive Malaysia soon.

Currently A4Tech had launch with new High Performance Wireless Mouse which can work on almost any surfaces.



Feel Free to check it out for this new Mouse at Pikom PC Fair II 2010 at KL Convention Centre, at Booth No. 238.

Thank You.

bought a microsoft wireless 4000 mouse sometime my computer can't detect the mouse

JUST bought myself AVF Rapoo 3200..

NeveR yet faIl..

but sOme times, when USB port is full..

The mOUse beCome SPiky.. T_T

Speaking of which, i had this EX100 mouse.

It's been a year & i never had any problem. Then 1 day, when the batteries died, i do the usual stuff & replace with new batteries. To my surprise, it died within 3 days O_O.

It was pretty weird since during the last 1 year, i only need to replace batteries at least after 3 months before it died out.

I replace it again & same result happen, died after 3 or 4 days. Try again with Energizer(i used Eveready Super Heavy Duty before) this time & poof, died after 6 days.

What the cause of this?

Use Panasonic Alkaline before? I'm using it now with my Logitech M305, very long lasting, at least 3+ months before the software chasing me to change 1 LOL.
Super Heavy Duty battery still not good enough for wireless mice cause they need the *oohm* to have a steady power. Best used with alkaline or better batteries.
I do used it with Super Heavy Duty type before, it doesn't last long, 1+ month before the software alarmed me to change 1. And the respond from sleep mode is way slow, not enough *oohm*.

If you do experience fast battery dry out after using Panasonic Alkaline, then check for warranty validity and quickly allow the technician to check for you, it might be some part of the circuit board that's having issue.

Try to use rechargeable batteries (at least 1600mAh & above), can save your money on buy the alkaline batteries in long term.

hi... need some help

just bought Logitech V470 wireless mouse..

it connect via bluetooth.. however, everytime i start my laptop, it has to be connect manually via the bluetooth find device window..
i cant get it auto connect to my mouse even i press the connect button at the bottom of the mouse...

so, how can i connect automatically ??

FYI, i already install the logitech set point software..whenever i restart the software automatically prompt and after sometime it failed to detect the mouse,,, i have to use windows bluetooth device properties window instead..

i'm running on windows vista, with external bluetooth dongle..

Pls help

Thanks

Any one have an idea where I can get Cliptec SLIMZ-AIR 2.4GHz Wireless Mouse RZS824 in B'worth/Penang area? TQ.

Microsoft Mobile 6000 can only tahan for a month

I always forgot to switch off the mouse when not in use.

Does anyone know what is the cheapest wireless mouse cost ?
bluetooth or 2.4 GHz also can. As long as the range can be extend to 5 meter.

Thanks

Nowadays most wireless mouse can perform 10 meters and above (but depend on the quality of the wireless chip between the mouse & the receiver).

Recommended find the brand which had long history in input devices & expert on it (Microsoft or Logitech), or have it own manufacturer for better Quality Control (like A4Tech or Genius).
Of course it will cost a little bit more, but will lower the percentage of device failure.

Usually Bluetooth will cost much more than wireless mouse @ 2.4Ghz, because Bluetooth Organization want $$$ before license their technology to the manufacturer.

The battery you guys use for the mouse...
Any with built in internal battery in the mouse so you don't have to buy batteries?

I wanna get one soon but afraid constant battery changing will be costly...

dont worry much about the battery problem, just buy a set of good quality rechargeable batteries (such eneloop).
plus, many manufacturer have low battery indicator (either in hardware or software), will warn you before run out of battery.

There have high end wireless gaming mouse from Razer using Li-ion rechargeable battery, but will cost u a lot.

Owh... Alright then thanks...
So uh... Its normal to change batteries monthly ? Daily usage I mean

I use my wireless mouse everyday, above 10 hours a day and I havent changed it for over 5 months now. A 8 pack battery is ~RM 16 right?
So....its not much really considering the life it has. As the others have mentioned, getting rechargeable ones will be good :>
Reminds me of my GameBoy days...

Yap, agree to Keenxlimit answer.
is depend on how you use it in daily (8 hours per day? use it in long distance? for gaming usage).
Getting rechargeable battery will save your money in long term.

Plus, get a good quality (long usage battery life performance) wireless mouse will reduce the chances to change the battery/batteries frequently.

I have been using a USB wireless Sensonic mouse for few years..but now wanna try using bluetooth mouse as i wanna free my USB port.

Please recommend me a decent bluetooth mouse, budget around RM 50..thanks.

A4tech user here, monthly I have to change batteries almost 4 times with usage above 9hr+ daily.
get rechargeable battery.

Still, A4tech mouse lost signal alot after half year usage.. I need to get a new one soon T^T

My Razer mamba gone damage with right click. =(
Just used 1-2 years... Been changing from abyss, death.. n mamba (can't remember the name)
Most last is 2 years..

Changed steel series rival atm... It suits my hand nicely.. =)
) but still I like Razer

i think i buy 1 of this mouse 2 years ago, that time it was promotion price like RM50.
i straight away take it and go pay without any doubt.
this mouse can use with dongle or bluetooth and it comes with charge cable.
bad thing is the Energizer battery they provided in the package had acid leak in it.