pro gamer is allowed. pls check the Dota format post on the first page.
Further enquiry, pls contact :

LAN Games Manager
Leon
Contact Number : 017-2138813
E-mail Address : ferdinand636@hotmail.com

Priority will be given to those IPTA and IPTS.

Don't worry about losing. Is round robin format.

8 Groups - each group 4 teams. Top 2 from each group will qualify and of cause i try my best to balance out the groups.

You all have chances to play 3 games with 3 different teams. Is totally different from outside tournament. Make this as your opportunity to meet those weaker teams and pro teams. Don't rely on unrealistic banning pro teams tournament. This round robin format decided to be used was because we don't want participant to come from far and just play to for 1 game. We organizer do consider about the players and the quality. In order to help us back, we really hope that no matter any weaker teams, average teams and even elite teams, please register and help us out.

The GameFest team sacrifice their time and putting a lot of effort in order to make the event successful.

This post has been edited by stormie88: Mar 4 2010, 08:36 PM

stormie i understand where you're coming from, but many people are discouraged after seeing these teams join
they are professionals, and as we've seen in SMM Melaka, these people are top players that are regarded as among the best in the world

on the other hand, perhaps you are right, as nubs we should be open to new things and that includes having to play with these teams

however, please consider this:
in group stage, team A managed to break 2 lane racks(or even 1 lane), whereas team B has more kills than team A(let's say leading them by 10 kills). how do you decide the winner?
wouldn't it be better to stick to the good ol' destroying of the throne or concede defeat?

This post has been edited by qinen: Mar 4 2010, 09:45 PM

As for the group qualifier,

If the outcome of the match has not been decided in regulation time (60 minutes), the winner of the match will be decided by Score Count with the following rules.
• 1 Barrack = 5 points
• 1 Tower = 3 points
• 1 Kill = 1 point
• Death does not count


What will actually happen for DotA in next two years, if all of you guys out there are discourage with no banning teams tournaments? Do you want to watch tournament such as public team vs public team? You will purposely go watch this kind of games?

If there are two match replays for you to download and watch, which replay you will download it?

1. ah beng vs ah lian
2. ah beng vs Kingsurf


Besides that, do you think by that time those sponsors willing provide sponsorship anymore for those mega tournament for DotA? They won't. The DotA scene will be very quiet. No more competitive news. No longer you will be hearing stars player such as yamateh, mushi and etc.. news. Do you actually want this to happen?

I'm sure everyone of you here keeping track of what's happening in competitive dota. You guys will visit those esport site such as mym, spotgamers, sgamer and why?

This post has been edited by stormie88: Mar 4 2010, 10:14 PM

i Agree with qinen, most people will be strongly discouraged to register knowing that they will lose at the finals. Its a sure lose thing, what sort of incentive is "You will lose at the finals regardless"

I find that unfair =(
Imagine losing by 1 point.
And your team has taken down mid racks.

Dun just feel scare when you facing top player lolx. Trust yourself you all out there also can do it. Who knows that they might be a new team will win KS during gamefest?

Why badminton world federation never ban world badminton top player like Datuk Lee Chong Wei for match? Try to think it yourself!

I don't mind that.
I'm just stating that people will be discouraged, regardless of what you say.

The 60minutes system is what is really bugging me.
As I've said, losing by 1 point, but having the clear advantage as mid racks have fallen, is that fair?

maybe we will sure lose if we meet a pro
but i think the important one is not winning
but the experience
what an rare experience

Mind to interfere actually.

Let say if players didn't join the tourney where top teams are playing, I was concern about there would be an exodus of top teams in the future, which means, no future talents can be groomed to replace these top teams once they retire.

You might don't see it now, but if this things continues, it would affect DotA scene in the future

Thats because he doesn't go to local small tournaments to catch the small fishes. He goes for big tournaments. Teams like KS have already made a name for themselves and to come and pick on inexperienced teams is just a cheap shot. I'm just saying. I know it will not change the decision of Gamefest. But it is something to consider, pro teams should be playing with other pros. If even small tournaments are giving it to highly experienced teams like "KS" it will be even worst for the DotA community as more players will be lest motivated to go for such tournaments. This will lead to a decline in players interested in competetive DotA

But then again, I'm just saying.

Peace.

the problem is at the moment that if every tournament banned the top teams, then the top teams would have no where to play. I'd think the Gamefest is a relatively large scale event, compared to smaller, more localized cyber cafe tourneys (which do in fact practice ban lists). if you're not looking to face the top teams simply because you think you might loose, then you're probably wasting your time here and should look for more of the smaller local ones.

i do wonder though, does underminer's ranking system for tourneys also accounts for expected skill level of participants? some kind of grade along those lines? that way you might have something where tourneys which have ban lists are limited to a certain grade as a max, and it would make it easier to identify the relative quality of the tourney participants as well.

hii, for the "3Ds Max Character Design and Modeling Competition" part , i got some question

1.if im juz graduate my professional cert only can join ?
2.the character need cut out through UV function and fill color in photoshop?? model must high poly or low poly??
3.time - time ~how many hour will been given ?

correct me if i wrong

Dear Syafiq, this time tak jadi buat. Our budget kekurangan quite alot..so sorry!

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Added on March 5, 2010, 5:15 pmPro-Gamers are allowed to join! No banning because we will be doing our MMU Closed competition, so it will at least seem slightly fairer I hope!

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Added on March 5, 2010, 5:29 pmDear Qinen, I truly know where you are coming from as I'm once a competitive gamer before. And definitely it is true, to know that, when you are playing hard and great even did not make much mistakes, and suddenly you just lose out by one point and were knocked out.

The organizing team is trying to randomise or at least, make it more than just a game for most players. Some players maybe noobs, and imagine paying the amount of money and got knock out in single elimination. However, I do understand the RR format do show some discrepancy, not just in our tourney, but in many others as well. But on the other hand, so far, only RR format had produced some miracles or surprised when players meet up. And comparing single elimination, at least you do diversify the risk of losing out in just a match. This is speaking on behalf of the organizing team.

And speaking on your side, I believe this is part of the interesting process to pick up the unfairness, and bring the game to the next level. After all, you guys got nothing to lose, you guys can come out with new formation, new strategy and shocked the pro-players. Gamers are born to be creative so maybe you guys can make this GameFest a crazy impact to this scene. In fact, even winning the pro 1 match, your clan name is more known than others, because you guys create surprises! This is what we want to see, we saw that unfairness,but couldn't do or help much regarding that. Our competition had always been no-banning unless it is a small compy. Hope you understand and continue supporting us QiNen!

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Added on March 5, 2010, 5:35 pmhi there, thank you for your Interest! And Edvinn (our GameDev Manager) will respond to you shortly!

This post has been edited by ericseah_rkg: Mar 5 2010, 05:35 PM

Sorry to disappoint, but tournaments lesser than what is expected of an open tournament will not be taken into account into the my rankings system. To take those into account requires very complex calculations in where a mix team of certain banned players in 1 tournament and not in the other would be able to win.

I do recognise the existence value of certain "closed" tournaments (colleges,schools tournaments etc) and "amateur" tournaments which provides the recreational / jumpstart point for teams / retired pros to play on once in a while. But when all these tournaments becomes the norm, it translates to an assassination of will of players wanting to become good. A simple quote to sum it all up : "why become good when all I get is a ban on all tournaments that matters?" Teams who thrived in the recent banned-team tournaments consists of former Pros who just skim past the banlist by a narrow margin. So whats next? Make a better list of "more" players to be banned in the future tournaments? This will go on and on and I could predict the winner of a banned team tournament will most certainly be added into the banlist of the next tournament in the not too distant future.

When the general scene stops wanting to become good, the Pro scene will fall and the lust of supporting it will be gone. When being good is punished in the scene by lack of participants and less organizers interest in supporting open tournaments with less teams in it, it translates into the collective failure of the scene to support itself and the beginning of the end of the once great scene we have (though quite young, our scene's achievements are endless and more prestigious compared to other games being played competitively in the history of E-sport here in Malaysia).

Look at the Philippines scene. They once got legendary teams, as good as Zenith at their prime back in 2005-2006 such as Team129, Team Flow and Team Ninja. When the scene starts banning top teams, these teams just die and what happened? Fast forward to 2009, there are 158 teams signed up for the Phil qualifiers of ADC III (Malaysia has 78) and their champion, Team Mineski only managed to placed 7th out of the 10 nations that joint , barely escaping the drop zone of ADCIII. Its sad for them but thats what the scene decided collectively 2 years back to have this fate befall them in International events.


So, what can WE do?

For a participant, just join as many open tournaments as you can. Show everyone that there are teams out there who still want to be good and make a name for themselves in tournaments like this. Especially those teams with sponsor support, there is really no excuse not to be down there duking it out with other sponsored-teams. Your sponsor wants exposure, and your presence with your team jacket at the event (if lucky, perhaps you can score an interview with a local newspaper or TV) and the sponsor's name in the brackets is the REASON the sponsor is sponsoring you for, there is really no other way to see it other than this.

For an organiser, supporting an amateur tournaments once in a while is good and I would say its perfect for the scene to grow. But for every amateur tournament made, make a real open tournament in its place some time in the future. Teams that gained experience in the amateur tournament will most likely want to do well and see how much have they improved in a real tournament where the existing top players will have a chance to test themselves against the young bloods of the scene. Stopping at supporting an amateur tournament will place "amateur" all over the place attached to your brand. When someone walk by your brand, people will point and say something that is linked to your brand. Whether its positive or not totally depends on the events you are supporting.

International media outlets and the pro scene is not interested with a tournament without the stars of the game and rightfully so. The medias in our nations should cease reporting on them no matter how hyped it is. Pay more attention to the remaining open tournaments, give them and their sponsors the best coverage they deserve and show everyone the value of organizing open events so we can expect more to come in the future.

Nobody really cared about the winner of amateur tournaments as they are at best, the best of the worst. There is no glory in winning these kinds of tournaments except for the short term monetary reward you will receive. I could easily predict that winning your next event will score you and anyone associated with your team right inside the banlist. Those tournament winners are not really amateurs anyway. For example. Amz.Viv, the newly crowned champion of Gygabite "Amateur" Tournament. I knew of at least 1 of their members which at his prime, actually slept 4 hours a day and trains Dota for all the hours he was awake for few months consequtively. The reason why other teams lose to them is simple : you do not deserve it because you have not put in the effort they had put in.

We keep on lament on a certain race's Quota system forever but we are now embracing them in the scene. A scene that is protected in this kind of manner will not be able to compete internationally and a scene/team that embraces this kind of protectionism is bound to fail when real competition comes along.

The culture that everyone seems to be promoting now is rewarding failure in the long term. Its a culture to despise but sadly it exists. In a scene where players stop wanting to become the best, everyone will pay the price at some point in the future, including the apparent "winners" of today.

I'm not disputing the group format either.
I think it's great. It lets teams play at least 3 games instead of single elimination.
Furthermore, ES, Quas, KS and INC can duke it out in one group, this is certainly incentive for them to prepare and play well in this tourney.
The only thing is the 60min game rule. That's the only thing I see as unfair. Dota stands for Defense of the Ancients, where players have to defend their ancient and destroy their opponent's one, so why change the meaning of the game at all?

Couldn't have said it better myself, the name of the game speaks for itself and whats a little extra 15minutes for a complete game. It has been the experience of many players both in pub games and competitive games that there is hope until the throne/tree is destroyed. Many a time great come backs have occurred after the 60minutes mark and to create such a rule is just absurd.

And as qinen has said it as true as it could be, the pro teams should be gathered in the same group to eliminate the unnecessary competition among the weaker groups.
this will create incentive for the pro teams to strive harder.

We feel that we'll lose not because they're famous, Its because we didnt dedicate our whole lives to DotA.

Then again,
I'm just saying.
Peace.

Change Team Extream Sphinx to Team Ftz.

I dislike the 60th minute part. Lol. Leon, edit it la. Unfair to farmer =.=

Thats another can of worms you dont want to open. You want the eventual winners to win based on the merit of their skills. Not because they lucked out and had another good team destroy the rest of the competition.

The scenario you're suggesting is basically in the Finals, Team A (Strong/Pro Team) did all the hard work and playing all the tough matches, eliminating other Strong/Pro Teams. Then Team B, the other finalist, got there because they didnt meet any Strong/Pro Teams along the way to the finals and basically got a free ride. Nobody wants to see a blowout tournament now do we?

This is why Strong/Pro Teams are seeded and they usually do not meet another Strong/Pro Team in the early stages of the tournament. Teams are seeded based on the merit of their past achievements. So if amateur teams keep playing amateur tournaments, they'll never progress far in an "open" tournament. The only way to get out of this rut is to start winning so that in other tournaments, you'll get seeded and not meet another Strong/Pro Team right at the start and go home early to fly kites.

Which brings us to the next point, the only way to improve is to play against strong opponents. So yeah, its a vicious cycle in tournaments, but its survival of the fittest/strongest.

I usually dont comment on DotA related topics, but the DotA scene has to get their community mentality right if they expect their game to survive, given the number of 'improved' DotA clones that are coming out of late.

Round of 16 we will see 2 pro teams.(as of now, at the very least) How is this a 'blowout tournament'?

This post has been edited by qinen: Mar 6 2010, 09:44 AM