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rkg38
post Oct 1 2010, 09:13 AM

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to all sifu here...
js wanted to know, is there any fund suitable for 1yr investment??
cos i plan to save now, n withdraw at next year around this period...
n will do monthly saving as well...

any fund recommend?
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post Oct 1 2010, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 1 2010, 09:45 AM)
1 year? U cant. U need at least 3 years due to 5.5% service charge
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but the bond/money market fund is lower service charge...
or maybe i should go for FD, more safer?? but FD i couldnt top up monthly...
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post Oct 1 2010, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 1 2010, 10:01 AM)
If you want to invest in broad spectrum shares, but do not want to pay the high fees, you can consider ETF or Closed End Funds  available in the share market. Each top up however will cost you 0.42% only vs. 5.5% of most unit trusts.
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sorry, new here...what is ETF or Closed End Funds? and where we can trade/buy the fund?
any more information?
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post Oct 1 2010, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 1 2010, 11:32 AM)
EFT = Electronically Traded Funds, similar to unit trust, but must buy and sell in the market (so subject to price fluctuations). So far the only ETF available in the market are index or passive funds. Examples include DowJonesTitan25 (Malaysia), CIMBAsean40 (Asean) and CIMBXinhua25 (China). The expense ratio of these funds are below 1% p.a.

Closed End Fund = Also similar to Unit Trust, but additional units cannot be created and destroyed. You have to buy those units from other unit holders. There is only 1 CEF in Malaysia, iCapital.biz (Malaysia). Expenses are similar to other funds at 1.5% p.a.

All the above have no sales fee, but have brokerage fee of 0.42% to BUY and SELL. You can purchase them from KLSE via a broker, from other unit holders.
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How was the risk & return?


QUOTE(koo66999 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:46 AM)
How is the performance of those EFT funds? As I know, we cannot sell them out if there is no one interested on it.
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Which means similar to quoted share?
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post Oct 2 2010, 05:40 PM

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im holding PFECTF & SmallCap...so far im quite happy with the return...
From what i observe, invest in unit trust, the first 2-3 year is js cover back the cost...even the dividend paid, it is still loss, cos the market price will drop also...and the amount reinvest is not enough to pull the average cost below the market value...

currently plan to go for short term, maybe bond or money market...any advice?
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post Oct 4 2010, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Crystal87 @ Oct 3 2010, 03:26 PM)
is not PM fund managers who made the losses..China government stepped in to control their economy early of this year..thats why their prices dropped..although now China funds are picking up..but overall still under performing..if you're unhappy with the returns can just switch a portion to other stable funds..recommended to invest only 20% of your portfolio in one particular country..


Added on October 3, 2010, 3:33 pm
SmallCap is a good one..

why take 2-3 yrs..? My mum only take 1 month plus to break even..

why go for short term..? can consider public bond fund


Added on October 3, 2010, 3:36 pm
yes you can..but no agent servicing only..

im also a UTC..can PM me if you need assistance..
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i know some fund only use short period to break even...
but what i referring is after the distribution pay out...the market price drop, so it shown is loss even u received the dividend (Reinvest or pay out also same)...
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post Oct 4 2010, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(rkg38 @ Oct 4 2010, 01:51 PM)
i know some fund only use short period to break even...
but what i referring is after the distribution pay out...the market price drop, so it shown is loss even u received the dividend (Reinvest or pay out also same)...
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btw, wil bond fund or money market the same??
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post Oct 12 2010, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Crystal87 @ Oct 8 2010, 11:24 PM)
Opps you got me wrong. I nvr sell any of China funds to clients, i will only recommend 2 or 3 the best ones among those still available for purchase.

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so u dun recommend news fund to client?
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post Oct 22 2010, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(buylowsellhigh @ Oct 22 2010, 02:48 AM)
PFES is really agressive whilst as mentioned PNREF doesn't really perform. Perhaps the UTC is trying to mix the two up for some reason, but I can't think of any good one.

there is indeed a difference between lumpsum buy or top up monthly.
Let's say the fund's value is going up every day.
If you do lumpsum invetsment, then your money have more space to grow before the next downturn.
Topup monthly means you add a certain amount of investment per month. Obviosuly in an up market, this means that topup monthly strategy grows money slower than lumpsum.

To put simply, let's say you invest RM 10,000 versus 1,000 for 10 months. Market is up everyday. Obviously you want your RM 10,000 to grow asap instead of RM1,000 per month.

You can also combine both... where your start in lumpsum mode and part of your earning every month goes to the fund.

Then there is the other factors such as diciplined investment, dollar cost averaging (you can google this)
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then which strategic u more recommend?
and if u r going to invest, which would you go for?
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post Nov 2 2010, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 29 2010, 11:18 PM)
Public Mutual declares over RM236 million of income distributions for 9 funds

Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual declares distributions for nine of its funds. The total gross distributions and unit split declared for the financial year ending 31 October 2010 are as follows:

Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit |Unit Split
Public Industry Fund | 5.00 sen | -
Public Equity Fund | 4.50 sen | -
Public South-East Asia Select Fund | 1.00 sen | -
Public Sector Select Fund | 2.50 sen | -
Public Asia Ittikal Fund | 1.00 sen | -
Public Islamic Asia Balanced Fund | 0.75 sen | -
PB Australia Dynamic Balanced Fund | 3.00 sen | -
PB Asia Real Estate Income Fund | 0.75 sen | -
Public Islamic Bond Fund | 5.00 sen | 1:25

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how to calculate dividend rate?
use the dividend paid over the market value of the last trading day b4 the dividend paid?
or based on how much i brought?
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post Nov 4 2010, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(rkg38 @ Nov 2 2010, 10:23 AM)
how to calculate dividend rate?
use the dividend paid over the market value of the last trading day b4 the dividend paid?
or based on how much i brought?
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Anyone know about this?
if it is based on the last trading day b4 the dividend paid, then is about 12.91%(0.0450/.3486).

13% i can said is better than share dividend...

anyone can comment on this...
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post Dec 3 2010, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Nov 30 2010, 10:29 PM)
It makes people who don't know any better happy because they are getting dividends, hence it makes people want to buy more.

It gives the company something to announce, wow - look at all the dividends we are giving out.

It keeps the price per unit low, so more people will buy it because they think it is "cheap" .
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yes, u r rite...if the company didnt declared the dividend, then the NAV keep moving up...so less people wil buy, only those signed for DDI.
But not all, i got a friend, when the NAV at high (she personally think at high), then she withdraw the money from the account, so that the bank cant deduct the money from there.

investor wil think twice when the NAV at higher, they will compare the NAV at the time they invested and the current NAV.
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post Dec 3 2010, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 3 2010, 09:06 AM)
It doesn't matter if the NAV is high or low, the investment stays the same. If you invest RM1000 (excluding sales charge), for example.

if NAV = RM 1 = 1,000 Units x  Rm 1 = RM 1,000
if NAV = RM 25 = 40 Units x Rm 25 = RM 1,000

The total amount is the same regardless, and the future earnings will be the same, so what is the difference? I have invested in funds which each unit is about 100+USD, it has performed better than my PM fund which is RM 0.25 per unit.  rolleyes.gif

Only those who does not understand how UT works worry about unit price and amount of dividend given, these are the tricks of the trade to fool the average investors.  laugh.gif These are the same thinking as some of my friends who says RM 0.10 share is "cheap" and those RM 10+ shares is "expensive" no matter what company is behind it  doh.gif
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Maybe the meaning of "cheap" & "expensive" for ur friend is whether they can afford or not... brows.gif

i agree with ur computation above, but that is at stage of invest...
but if look the time after the dividend...

example:
Invest RM1,000 @ NAV RM0.25
4000units @ cost RM 0.25 = RM1,000

NAV before the dividend pay out: RM0.30,
4000units @ RM0.30 = RM1200, unrealised gain was RM200.

let said dividend 2sen, NAV after dividend RM0.28 <<<assuming
4000units @ 0.02 = RM80 = 286 units

after dividend
4286units @ 0.28 = RM1,200
RM1000/4286 units = 0.2333

which means the cost per unit is reduced to RM0.2333 from RM0.25
and the NAV is at RM0.28 after the dividend...people compare RM0.28 & RM0.30, and have a chance to climb up to RM0.30 or higher...

this is what i understand...correct me if im wrong...


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post Dec 4 2010, 10:59 AM

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Gark, what u means is unit trust shouldnt declared dividend or invest in UT are not making money??

confuse... rclxub.gif
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post Dec 16 2010, 02:39 PM

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i have check some other Unit Trust Company( HLBB, OSK-UOB etc), i found that most of them are paying distribution...

what are the pros and cons for the unit trust that didnt pay distribution?
beside not been tax...wat else?
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post Dec 20 2010, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(kosinus @ Dec 20 2010, 02:47 PM)
I heard a speculation that early of next year, market price may fall. anyone heard of this? invest now or later?
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u are fund holder or future fund holder?

from my opinion (existing fund holder), i will get my money ready to buy more unit, but sure not sakali go...
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post Dec 29 2010, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 29 2010, 01:33 PM)
Nope I mean Guaranteed Funds, they are very misleading investments.  doh.gif
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most of the guaranteed funds have lock in period...
and if no mistaken, the guaranteed fund is only guaranteed on the amount u invest, not the return...eg, u invested RM5k...they only guarantee after certain period u stil get back RM5k, return not in the guarantee...

correct me if im wrong....
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post Feb 24 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Feb 24 2011, 11:43 AM)
Yea a lot of people lost confidence for the market at the moment. Bad news are more than good news. And i have already switched my fund to bond. Profit around 10-12% havent include 5.5% hefty charge.  shakehead.gif . My agent totally ridiculous. I told him to do the switching, he told me many people start to invest alot after prices fall few days ago. And say few more things to encourage me to hold.  doh.gif
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this is normally...js like invest in market share...people will buy when the price drop...
n u need to know...u can get more unit when u invest v same amount.

eg: invest RM1k, after 5.5% = RM945.
1) 0.27, 3500 units, average cost 0.2857
2) 0.26, 3634.61 units, average cost 0.2751
and also, more unit to share ur 5.5% services charges...
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post Feb 24 2011, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Feb 24 2011, 05:12 PM)
Yeah it is normal people will buy when the price drop. And it is normal to sell when the price is high too. Anyone who invests a large volume at this like this will bear a higher risks, no? But in conclusion, we have to do some homeworks not just dump money inside UT  tongue.gif
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hehe...higher risk higher return... icon_idea.gif
of course not just simple dump in the money la, slowly...depend on the person la...
different people different view...but what can confirmed is everyone is trying to maximize their gain...
good decision, switch to bond 1st and lock the profit, then switch back at the lower price...but r u able switch back b4 the price move up?? mutual gold ya... brows.gif

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post Mar 2 2011, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 1 2011, 03:52 PM)
sorry i visit the wrong place. so hong leong 'assurance' offers the thing I want.

so if im looking for retirement plan, PB unit trust is not suitable for me ? I need 10 year commitment with 7~8% return. I understand being risk adverse the rate I get is only 5% (bond), but I'm still trying to search for it.

PS: I want a guaranteed rate of return, not as volatile as the unit trust =/ past performance is not an indicator for future price? hahah
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not really the wrong place...u can build up ur retirement plan at unit trust...
but if u want the GUARANTEED, then u r really into the wrong place...hehe... tongue.gif

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