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ultraman29
post Jun 9 2011, 12:11 PM

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Anybody here got anything to share about financial planners? Notice this guy Yap Ming Hui (Whitman) gets a lot of press time in our newspapers. Are they any good?
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post Jun 9 2011, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 9 2011, 11:22 AM)
Using EPF to invest in mutual fund?
Well. This depends. It is alright to diversify your money inside EPF, and also a good choice. Since EPF money cannot be touched until you reach retirement (exception for buy house, study loan and bla bla bla as u guys know about it)..

One thing good in unit trust is the capital appreciation, which will see good real $$$ coming in. Money in EPF, if the interest is not able to beat inflation, will not be so good. Last year, declared about 5+ % for EPF.

In unit trust, when unit price goes higher, you return will be amplified, and also got interest / dividend. Of course, what you need to bear in mind is, unit trust unit price can appreciate and depreciate. But as a long term, it will be a good upward line.

EPF, 1 year can invest 4 times only. Once every 3 months. And there is a calculation on the allocation for investment on EPF. You cannot just dump in everything into it..
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Another thing on EPF investment, the service charge is lower than cash investment.
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post Jun 9 2011, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(lytros @ Jun 9 2011, 12:22 PM)
Another thing on EPF investment, the service charge is lower than cash investment.
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To be exact, only 3% service charge.

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post Jun 9 2011, 09:32 PM

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The China-related funds had an interesting run in the last month or two.

They performed spectacularly above the benchmark, and have now dropped significantly, mostly back to near-benchmark levels.

Anyone know which particular equitie(s) contribute to this momentary spectacular performance?


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post Jun 10 2011, 10:58 AM

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Those who bought China Select Fund during the offer period still haven't recoup their initial capital whistling.gif


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post Jun 10 2011, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(HJebat @ Jun 10 2011, 10:58 AM)
Those who bought China Select Fund during the offer period still haven't recoup their initial capital whistling.gif
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And some of these PubMut Sales Agents that "promised" or sold the idea of "20%pa returns sure wan" in 2007 early 2008, is now still making tons of $ in ING after changing phone # and stuff to avoid the bugging of their PCSF mangsas / customers. tongue.gif

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post Jun 10 2011, 12:15 PM

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Is better to sell local unit trust fund, for a safe play.
China fund, a lot of risk. You cannot know what company there are investing, FM does not understand the market as good as the local chinese people.

For me, i will sell back UT that is covering malaysia. Regional also ok ok abit la. But focuses on china alone, very scary.
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post Jun 10 2011, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 10 2011, 12:15 PM)
Is better to sell local unit trust fund, for a safe play.
China fund, a lot of risk. You cannot know what company there are investing, FM does not understand the market as good as the local chinese people.

For me, i will sell back UT that is covering malaysia. Regional also ok ok abit la. But focuses on china alone, very scary.
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If you want to invest in China funds, you will need to go offshore, and find fund managers with years of experience in the HK/China market. Local funds are still beginning to learn..... tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2011, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2011, 03:26 PM)
If you want to invest in China funds, you will need to go offshore, and find fund managers with years of experience in the HK/China market. Local funds are still beginning to learn.....  tongue.gif
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Kinda agree. The local fund manager cannot understand the behavioral style of investment in the foreign country, how to people play with it.

So, definitely will be in the lower hand.
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post Jun 10 2011, 05:16 PM

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Alamak, I just bought China ASEAN Equity Trust Fund last month!!!!

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post Jun 10 2011, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(kongming @ Jun 10 2011, 05:16 PM)
Alamak, I just bought China ASEAN Equity Trust Fund last month!!!!
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IMHO, for the statistically inclined & risk management inclined, best to avoid "new" funds until there are 3 years' statistics available, unless U want to punt lar.
Tell them Sales Agents to go away when they tell U "cheap mar new fund" "got discount" "0.25% off for monthly Standing Instructions forever wor", etc. etc.

Then again, perhaps it's good to keep these kinda Sales Agents alive with some dumb $ tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2011, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 10 2011, 11:22 AM)
And some of these PubMut Sales Agents that "promised" or sold the idea of "20%pa returns sure wan" in 2007 early 2008, is now still making tons of $ in ING after changing phone # and stuff to avoid the bugging of their PCSF mangsas / customers.  tongue.gif
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Wah, you have a good memory! Yes, PCSF was introduced in 2007.

I nearly become one of those victims myself. Luckily, pulled out in the last minute.

But a few of my friends falled to the "guaranteed % return" & "ride with the China force" traps.

That's a very expensive lesson sad.gif

Psst, wong...are you one of the mangsa? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(HJebat @ Jun 10 2011, 05:34 PM)
Wah, you have a good memory! Yes, PCSF was introduced in 2007.

I nearly become one of those victims myself. Luckily, pulled out in the last minute.

But a few of my friends falled to the "guaranteed % return" & "ride with the China force" traps.

That's a very expensive lesson sad.gif

Psst, wong...are you one of the mangsa? biggrin.gif
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Nah, i'm one of the "watchers" - like i shared earlier (dunno this thread/topic or some others in LYN), i saw the mass exodus of these Sales Agents, from PM to ING and found out the reasons why tongue.gif. BTW, i dont touch "new funds" without any statistical data i can crunch - unless i'm "punting" with a very small amount of $, chicken lar blush.gif

Hey, i've no qualms checking out other fund houses' invitation to "see see" their funds & Agents' benefits mar brows.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 10 2011, 05:43 PM)
Nah, i'm one of the "watchers" - like i shared earlier (dunno this thread/topic or some others in LYN),  i saw the mass exodus of these Sales Agents, from PM to ING and found out the reasons why  tongue.gif. BTW, i dont touch "new funds" without any statistical data i can crunch - unless i'm "punting" with a very small amount of $, chicken lar  blush.gif

Hey, i've no qualms checking out other fund houses' invitation to "see see" their funds & Agents' benefits mar  brows.gif
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Some times, be a chicken is good..
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 10 2011, 06:20 PM)
Some times, be a chicken is good..
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Good with feathers all over the floor?! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 10 2011, 06:44 PM)
Good with feathers all over the floor?!  laugh.gif
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I hope eating KFC will helps..
Hahaha..

Anyhow.. Back to Mutual Fund.
Recently launch singapore fund. Anyone interested? Will it be like China Select?
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post Jun 10 2011, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 10 2011, 05:43 PM)
Nah, i'm one of the "watchers" - like i shared earlier (dunno this thread/topic or some others in LYN),  i saw the mass exodus of these Sales Agents, from PM to ING and found out the reasons why  tongue.gif. BTW, i dont touch "new funds" without any statistical data i can crunch - unless i'm "punting" with a very small amount of $, chicken lar  blush.gif

Hey, i've no qualms checking out other fund houses' invitation to "see see" their funds & Agents' benefits mar  brows.gif
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Eh, what reasons did you found out? hmm.gif

I got lucky twice. First time is the PCSF. Then second time also pulled out last minute from China Titans...tho' PCTF didn't drop as much as PCSF.

Told myself, never to invest in China related UT funds anymore laugh.gif


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post Jun 10 2011, 09:44 PM

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Sorry I'm new commers...
just for sharing information, for me an agents can not giv guarantty that the dividend in one of the fund is higher..
they also can not give the exact amount of persentage in rate of retrun per annum...
we as investor also can not just belive all that they said, unless they giv proven document eg. actual acc, facts
we also can't just see the last performnace of the fund.. but I belive fund that hav a good track record will giv higher dividend...
for new fund, I think is better for youngest because new fund must take long time to growth..
the most important is not amount of NAV.. the importance is unit balance, n then we proceed refer to amount of NAV...
for low amount of NAV, this is your time to collect huge unit balance..
then, when economic n performance of that fund is getting better n growth, it will make double..tripple dividend n profit that u'll get
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QUOTE(Next Generation @ Jun 10 2011, 09:44 PM)
Sorry I'm new commers...
just for sharing information, for me an agents can not giv guarantty that the dividend in one of the fund is higher..
they also can not give the exact amount of persentage in rate of retrun per annum...
we as investor also can not just belive all that they said, unless they giv proven document eg. actual acc, facts
we also can't just see the last performnace of the fund.. but I belive fund that hav a good track record will giv higher dividend...
for new fund, I think is better for youngest because new fund must take long time to growth..
the most important is not amount of NAV.. the importance is unit balance, n then we proceed refer to amount of NAV...
for low amount of NAV, this is your time to collect huge unit balance..
then, when economic n performance of that fund is getting better n growth, it will make double..tripple dividend n profit that u'll get
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Bro Next Gen, U are stating the obvious and preaching to the converted leh regarding not trusting agents tongue.gif .

However, i can't really agree with U that:
a. We can't see the last performance of the fund - as an indicator. Given statistically, Fund A's 10, 5 & 3 yrs CAGR = 10%pa VS Fund B's 6%pa with near similar Sharpe Ratio & Standard Deviation for all those years ending now, which would U put $ on? brows.gif

b. New fund being better.
Dude, which probabilities and statistics are U basing this INFORMATION from? Can share?


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QUOTE(HJebat @ Jun 10 2011, 09:32 PM)
Eh, what reasons did you found out? hmm.gif

I got lucky twice. First time is the PCSF. Then second time also pulled out last minute from China Titans...tho' PCTF didn't drop as much as PCSF.

Told myself, never to invest in China related UT funds anymore laugh.gif
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HJebat, the thing i found out was regarding WHY these Sales Agents were running away from PM to ING lar - that their PCSF customers are after their butts.
Hhehe - no "trading" or "investing" secret tongue.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 10 2011, 10:05 PM)
HJebat, the thing i found out was regarding WHY these Sales Agents were running away from PM to ING lar - that their PCSF customers are after their butts.
Hhehe - no "trading" or "investing" secret  tongue.gif
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Ooo...i see.

With the amount of money stuck invested in PCSF, it's better to use it to invest in stock market ourselves. But then, who knows how PCSF will perform during the launch rclxub.gif

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