This should be directed to those Branches / Dealers SA.. .

I saw the 2" x 3" (roughly) NAZA's CKD Metal Emblem on the B Pillar near the driver seat. Pretty neat. CKD rules ( ha ha.. have say that since I am driving a CKD now... but don't have the Metal Emblem like what I saw on the Forte... Envy

I have used K&N on my previous Iswara, current City.. no regrets getting them while the only regrets I have is i didn't get them on day one I got the car.. but this time. Naza said warranty void if changed to K&N on my current car.

OK, lets put FC improvement a sides as I never care to take notes on that but in terms of responsiveness, the car is less hesitated to rev up, engine noise is lesser, air cond is colder ( i knew this one is too much, but we felt it ). The overall experiences before and after drops in is like driving a different car ( drove that car for 3 years before drops in ).

After drops in the Air Filter, drove for a day and the next day, Changed ATF, Mobile 1 Full Syn engine oil and also changed from Shell 97 to BHP 97. Overall felt like driving a new car and previous city drive with not much jam has Full tank clocking around 500km to after all change, Full tank clocking around 600km. ( be reminded the improvement was after K&N + Engine Oil + ATF + Petrol changes for the saving as I only drove the changes with K&N for just 1 day )

I gave away my Isawra's K&N to my friend before I sold my car, 3 days later, he smsed me


He is driving a 5 years old stock iswara A/B

This post has been edited by bbear: Feb 3 2010, 03:15 PM

What if the car break down on the roadside, the tow trucks tow it back to Authorize SC.. then SC insisted it is caused by the Filter ( even any one should know that is not the case ).... this is bolehland, especially.. we are the loosing party by default.

KFC,

I think the main problem arise from the Part that when the Buyers getting the cars in the scenarios you mentioned. They have been informed that the waiting time is such and such and hence the buyers understand the contract and when the car can / maybe available based on the waiting time let it be 1, 2, 6 months and so on. The buyers will then patiently waiting for that car that he/she knew the waiting time, while driving their old car.

Where in current Forte situations, the buyers have been promised a date / day that may be already 2 months ago, e.g. those that booked during November, which including myself and promised the car in 2 weeks time after launching. So, some excited buyers will then trusted the information that they will get their car in couple of weeks time let say if it is not 2 weeks but probably 3 to 4 weeks time can be still reasonable since is a new launch. Some will even sell the car to get the downpayment ready so that they can speed up the car registration once they are available but then after that, they are carless for few months and still holding on the the tiny hopes on the various updates, rumors from all kinds of sources.

So, waiting with a know end point and waiting endlessly, there are a big different in terms of the stress some people has to go through.

Tribunal court .... they only handle case with maximum involvement of RM25k lah.

Our rich friend really really special

Hey guys, for "Powerful", you should look at the Torque and also the RPM with max torque. 2 very good examples for good torque ( Torque helps you to gain speed, move your cars ) are the 308 Turbo and the Sylphy. Their low end torque is pretty good and does not need you to rev up to madness RPM to gain the momentum.

If you comparing only HP, that will only helps if you want to achieve maximum speed...

I do suggest you to just go and test drive the 308 Turbo .. even just for fun, to feel the Uuuuuumph

Forte 1.6SX 156Nm @ 4200 rpm
Forte 2.0SX 194.2Nm @ 4300 rpm
308 Turbo 240Nm @ 1400 rpm ~ 4250 rpm
407 200Nm @ 4,000 rpm
Vios 141Nm @ 4200 rpm
Civic 1.8 174Nm @ 4300 rpm
Civic 2.0 188Nm @ 4500 rpm
City i-Vtec 145Nm @ 4800 rpm
Altis 1.6 145Nm @ 4400 rpm
Altis 1.8 170Nm @ 4200 rpm
Mazda 3 2.0 182Nm @ 4500 rpm
Avante X20 186Nm @ 4600 rpm
Sylphy 191Nm @ 4400 rpm

As you can see from above, Forte 2.0SX actually has very very good Torque to moves a car.... especially the Weight of the car is not too heavy. Imagine, the 407 is having 200Nm but the weight of the chassis is so much heavier.

ToyToy,

I have already wanted to reply the first time you mentioned this. Since you repeated it, The 407 seems likes what suitable for you besides the Forte.

Looks like a big hinting for the price hike.. and surprisingly inline with what our Mr Rich is stating in his encrypted messages. I wonder what is the added on options... 5 speeds Manual will be great

This post has been edited by bbear: Feb 4 2010, 09:56 AM

Well, if City 1.5L is priced at 90k... 1.6L with so much goodies, realistically will be selling that price if it is a T, H & N.. right ? Think on the bright side, Kia's car resell value finally going up up up

Hmm.. Maybe I shall write to them telling how they loose my business. By CC to cmd@naza.com.my.. this going to make NAZA shakes their legs.

This post has been edited by bbear: Feb 4 2010, 11:13 AM

KFC,

The mail may not helps me but may helps other poor souls out there whom are potential Forte owner. At least a feedback .. whether they take it as constructive feedback or just ignore is another story. Btw, I already sent my mail

Hopes the email does go through and been read.

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Added on February 4, 2010, 11:43 amIf the mail eventually not ended up in Junk / Spam folder and got reply.

This post has been edited by bbear: Feb 4 2010, 11:43 AM

StarGhazzer,

You are right, the Max numbers do not really meant much unless we are controlling the shifting. A more refine graphs to look at where the normal usage RPM range together with the gear shifting program, car's overall weight and other factors do contribute to the end result. I remember I don't quite like the curve shape of the Forte as the Max is at a tip like mount Everest. So far, the Torque curve that I am in loves with is the 308 Turbo and secondly the Sylphy when it couples with the CVVT box.

This post has been edited by bbear: Feb 4 2010, 01:49 PM

Miet,

You can look at this Local Tuner.. they are doing ECU Profile mapping. Cerato 1.6 is in the List. : http://dktuning.com/index.htm

Didn't know that

KM FB actually has double standard. He kept emphasize "The mission of this page is to disseminate product and corporate information."

They are one way saying the page is not for complains.. and on the other ways, they are very happy that people praise them but deleting those giving constructive comment.. In my opinion, if they do not welcome Negative stuffs, they should also not welcome positive stuffs and keep it clean on just "Disseminate Product and Corporate Information"

JoLee, Bapak, 4te, titarium, izputra, titarium,

Thanks for the credits, it is true that FORTE is my first choice / first love and it is even the car that I directly placed booking without first discuss with my wife or getting approval from my wife. Research for quite some time, visit the showroom on launch day and book ... then only told my wife, I booked a car. My wife was surprise that I have such a moves as I normally will think very hard, discuss with her even just buying a RM50 stuffs.

As some pointed out, Forte is first love and first love is hard to forget.... and when it is the first love that you never even get to taste / touch / feel / procession of it .. it is going to be something sentimental within for long long time.

I think my email has been treated as spam. No fail delivery report for all the email address sent to but no response or whatsever. Not even a warning email / reply for the CCed cmd mail when I am expecting at least the local party should response to find out more.

I am curious, that I actually still spending more time on this Forum vs Peugeot forums... and all I knew are 2 of the major reasons are

- I have a bunch of friends here ( Peugeot Forum is just too quiet )
- I still love Forte ( I love 407 too )