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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Lille next!

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post Mar 2 2010, 12:11 PM

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Should we banned any source from The S*n here? IMHO, that what any Liverpool related forum/thread should do..


Added on March 2, 2010, 12:20 pm
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 2 2010, 12:09 PM)
I don't think we need to look outside actually. I've heard good things about Dean Bouzanis who is currently out on loan. He has already represented Australia at various levels and at 19 has a lot of room for development. We also have Peter Gulasci who has done the same for Hungary.
I can't answer this one. Not many forwards I know can lead the line on their own.
One can argue that we don't actually need to replace Gerrard per se. I do think we need a Scouse element in the team but I don't think it means we have to "replace" Stevie as a player. We've got some of our best results against the Mancs without Stevie in the side and it's often been said that the team plays better without him in the side.
Too much homework needed. Don't know the worth of players out there. All I know is I'd like to see Arteta in the side.
I'm not going to make a judgement call on him just yet. All I know is that I'm a little disappointed we didn't go for Mikael Arteta instead. Someone who has proven he can cut it in the Premiership. He pulls the strings in midfield and his absence was a reason Everton struggled early in the season. It was reported that we once expressed interest in him and I was hoping we'd renew that interest. Oh well, let bygones be bygones.
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Arteta didn't do much even before he went out injured. Cahill were a better choice if I were to pick any player from Everton though I doubt he would come here because IMHO he's a type of a man who's loyal.

I'm a bit disappointed when we not going for Robben when he's available but it still depends on the player and that wanker club to sell to us if we did asked. He kinda old but he's a type a player that Liverpool need right now. Yossi and Torres coming back and we start played better (at least on 1st half) is prove of that.

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post Mar 2 2010, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 2 2010, 01:59 PM)
Cahill? Firstly he's a **** and secondly, I think what we're pining for at the moment is a midfielder who can orchestrate the midfield, and if you ask me, Arteta fits the mould. When you say, he "didn't do much", what do you mean? I must admit I don't watch Everton all that much but when I have, he's always been influential.
Sigh, sadly for me, I'm a little emotional and at talented as Robben is, I absolutely hate him for getting Pepe booked. Pepe tapped him on the cheek and he went down as if he got sucker punched by Mike Tyson.
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I agree he's the same type as Xabi but not anywhere on the same level hence the 'poor man's Alonso' nick pasted on him. Watched almost all live Everton game on tv last season and I can say that has been average on most of them. The only reason he look above averaged because other Everton midfielders (Osman, Cahill, Fellaini and Pienar) is on form last season. Then again I admit that I'm biased so it maybe influenced my opinion a bit and other people who watched Everton games may say the opposite.

robben, even he's a prick but he's a good winger. he is still doing his business at bayern now. dunno why but I have already look passed his antics when playing againts us. maybe coz he played for chelsea and the hatred is not very deep compared to MU and Blueshite. (meaning I still disgusted at owen tongue.gif)


Added on March 2, 2010, 6:05 pm
QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Mar 2 2010, 05:08 PM)
Arteta is a decent shout but doubt the blues would even consider selling one of their best players to us.

I'm more disappointed we didn't go for Sneijder or even Van Der Vaart considering we sold Alonso to Madrid. You could see where Rafa was heading with Aquilani who plays in a more advance attacking role. His style of play would be useful to break teams that we struggle to beat last season. However, he is injury-prone and could just potentially cost us an entire season. =/
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Sneijder or Van Der Vaart this is my choice too..

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post Mar 3 2010, 12:35 PM

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the way Masch defending that right flank reminds me of gerrard at istanbul. they both done the job beautifully.

For me, when facing a weak team the formation 4-4-2 where gerrard as AM with free role while Masch as DM. benny/riera on left, maxi/benny on the right. either kuyt or another striker to accompany torres.

against strong team where counter attack most likely to work, 4-5-1 where gerrard sit behind torres.
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post Mar 3 2010, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Mar 3 2010, 12:57 PM)
3 overated liverpool player

u will not believe that
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the writer clearly doesn't know anything and fishing for comments.. wanker
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post Mar 3 2010, 03:19 PM

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"A great defender but not a great footballer" - I dont understand this line. great defender but not footballer. Can same goes to Messi and Ronaldo - great forward but shite at defending.
though glen johnson more suit for a winger not fullback.
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post Mar 3 2010, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 3 2010, 03:45 PM)
It means to suggest heart & soul can mask one's shortcomings in terms of ability. He also said, "that's all that he needed", indicating that we never harped about Carra's poor technique (ever wonder why he boots the ball out all the time?) and finness because he wears his heart on his sleeve. He didn't need fantastic ability to become a legend amongst us.
Don't be so quick to judge. He had earlier posted a similar version focusing on the mancs. The three players he named were Michael Carrick, Nani and Nemandja Vidic
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so a great defender whose great at what he does is not a good footballer, then? that line is flawed.. it's true he lack the skill but even when we deducted his passion and heart aside, he's still a top defender that any other team would like in their team. so overrated is a wrong word to label carra.

anyway, in my opinion defender should just defend and keep the keeper safe. no need any fancy skill but a plus if one does have it. i'm ol skool like dat tongue.gif

and i think vidic is more or less in the same mould as carra. a no nonsense type of defender (except when torres on the field hehe)

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post Mar 6 2010, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 5 2010, 06:48 PM)
Keane joined Liverpool because he is a Liverpool fan but got booted out after just half of the season. Mascherano joined Liverpool to get more playing time. hopefully he's loyal to the club.
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unfortunately i believe Masch will leave when liverpool not qualify for CL. he's been delaying contract extension for so long now.
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post Mar 9 2010, 04:46 AM

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look at the spaces between the midfield and the strikers... how the f*** to create a chance to score? huffing the ball and hoping 'bemused' torres does his magic?

and insua being raped from time to time again...
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post Mar 9 2010, 05:00 AM

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i'm going to sleep now..

except pepe, benny, torres, greek guy and masch.. the rest of liverpool players can go f*** themselves now.. and rafa too.. too damn tired to be laughing. stay up for a shit like this..

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post Mar 9 2010, 01:08 PM

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i went to sleep after half time and i was right doing so. this monday night games always suck.

the gap between defense line - midfield - strikers are too wide and players scattered around making it's hard to string a couple of decent passing movement.

midfield choose to back pass to defense because clueless on what to do next. eventually the defenders will huff the ball forward hoping torres to chase it down. rafa saying fat sam way of football is ugly, it's like a kettle calling a pot black.

rafa has lost his touch. gerrard looks like he only there just to jogs around the field. kuyt was useless. maxi and benny too though they create some chances. lucas and insua was 100% pure shit. torres didnt get the ball and i feel for him. it was painful to watch.. gone are the days of liverpool pass n move. *sigh*
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post Mar 10 2010, 03:20 PM

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the club need backing, yes..

rafa need backing, yes.. to some extent. rafa cant be free from been criticized. he's been performing really poor this season and he seems to lost control of the dressing room. his tactics and players lineup was terrible so far. even his captain don't bother to play wholeheartedly during games. to sum it up, he is in the same situation as houllier now. i wont asking for his resignation now but if liverpool finish outside of 4th the he should resign himself.
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post Mar 10 2010, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 10 2010, 05:57 PM)
Eh? You've still got the drive to post a wall of text? shocking.gif

We have turned into a lemon overnight. No major changes in the team, i higly doubt Alonso was the main man in Liverpool all this while, we did rather ok in the seasons when he was utterly shite before.

No one forced Rafa to buy a player who is not physical enough for 99% of the games.

The time to sack rafa was last summer, not now so let's have the decency to give the man until the end of the season. He's won more games for us than he's lost (and so has Kuyt).

I suspect something is amiss behind the scenes with the team, and no ones telling. Perhaps this is why Carra doesn't want a new contract yet?
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Beside last season, Rafa cant get hold of PL race. But Rafa has been tremendous in CL. Liverpool tried and failed miserably in CL before Rafa took charge. Since 2005, Liverpool are back on Europe and doing it in style. Liverpool at least get to last 16 except this season. So our young-un fans become too spoiled already.

Lost of Alonso is not a major part. Same goes to, he's not getting the players he wanted? Boo-hoo.. smost of the PL managers also didn't always get the players they want but they cope. So what causing his downfalls this season? I'd say he lost his touch.

Me too thinks there's something happening behind the scene. You can see there's no sparks among the players in Wigan's game which is the WORST of this season.

Carra will sign a new contract if offered. If he choose not to sign when offered then it his choice but my image of him will be tainted a bit.
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post Mar 12 2010, 03:14 AM

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babel cant play full 90.. his ball control really shit. why cant liverpool string a couple of nice pass instead just huffing the ball forward?

what a waste of having a really good striker like torres if no one provide a good ball to him. he have to go deep to get the ball. might as well play as midfield. pathetic.

btw, better go to sleep.. you gonna waste your time

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post Mar 12 2010, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 12 2010, 10:21 AM)
You didn't sense the sarcasm coming from that attention seeking, chicken shit prick?

Tell you what guys. This is like the 5th consecutive away game we've failed to score in. To be really honest, defeats are starting to hurt less and I'm not so sure it's a good thing. Part of me just wants to fast forward the entire season because we've very little to play for. Another part of me believes in fairy tales and miracles, and it would be nothing short of a miracle if we finish fourth or end up winning the Euro League. I posted a list of our remaining fixtures yesterday and I simply don't see how we'll better our first leg results against those teams, especially the way we are playing. What disappoints me most is that the fans have done their part, especially at the beginning of the Tottenham game at Anfield. Fans took the effort to gather early and armed with flags and banners, gave the lads a rousing welcome prior to kickoff. If you do hear boos coming from the crowd, it wasn't because the fans didn't do their part. It's because they have and it's sickening to not see the team respond. After all, if the fans can rally their spirits, why can't the players?
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I can't see any miracle will happen by end of this season.. be it in PL or Europa. It is too far fetch because the remaining fixtures between liverpool, villa, spurs and city is not really favor us.. and the remaining team in Europa isn't exactly a weak team either. the team struggle to beat WIGAN and LILLE, teams that we should destroy with ease if we were really a contender. the last 2 games shows none of that except proving that there's a problem in the dressing room that we didn't know about. i feel pity for torres and reina because their teammate and manager let them down. you can see their frustration especially torres last night. eventhough i think its unlikely, but i will be sad if torres decide to left this summer. for me, this was really a shite season since so long.. even ged's last season is not this bad. at least the players back then shows some spirit and will to fight back. the current team however is full of quitters.. *yes, i'm pointing my fingers at gerrard*

for an old school kopite, booing is not the liverpool way but based on the team current condition it's hard to blame the fans for booing because they put their best to support the team only to be let down.

Duke, I never see you comment on the players individually. what do you think about our captain marvel?
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post Mar 12 2010, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(cradle0fFilth @ Mar 12 2010, 11:28 AM)
those who calling for Rafa's head and to be replaced by Mourinho are insane. Mourinho is a utter tw*t. Full stop.
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however ugly the way chelsea played when he took charge.. it works! look at chelsea now.. they still use his system. he's a twat but at least he managed to keep media on him and not the players. not that i want him to replace Rafa but it is a better options than let say.. O'neil.

Rafa should be allowed to stay till end of the season to redeemed himself. he must leave if the team finish lower than 5th..
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post Mar 12 2010, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(defesta @ Mar 12 2010, 11:51 AM)
nobody wana go to liverpool wit a bunch of lousy overpriced egoistic overrated ununified players.
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care to elaborate on who is the overpriced egoistic overrated players, please?
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post Mar 12 2010, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Mar 12 2010, 12:20 PM)
Lower than fifth? he should be told to 'leave by mutual consent' if we do not finish fourth. He promised the title in 5 years. Many excuses were offered, but in the end he FAILED. We did not win the title in his fifth season in charge.

We were generous (or perhaps the owners did not want to incur the wrath of the supporters). Rafa kept his seat. He has 'guaranteed' champions league action next season. If he fails again, why should he again be given the luxury of staying? Why fifth btw? Might as well say sixth (or was it seventh) then if Europa League is good enough for you.
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i said 5th because it's unlikely liverpool will finish better than that.. 6th is where we will end up. if somehow finish 5th then i wanted to see rafa's next season perfomance till dec. see whether he really does lost his marbles or this season is an unfortunate where every players lost their form / taking care of themselves for WC

if by dec the team still stays f*** up as they are now then we should called for Rafa resignation.. this is my opinion but i'm sure the majority would choose to get a new manager in the summer if finish outside 4th place.

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post Mar 12 2010, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 12 2010, 12:57 PM)
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2005 was a magical year.. apart from the obvious final, olympiakos is the point when all the players unite and finally believe they can go far. they look unbelievably high spirit in juve and chelsea game. the morale was down on the 1st half but like you said, gerrard made the different. his early goal, motivate all the players and tracking back players with almost perfect flying tackles making that right flanks his territory.

looking at him now. make me think that his ego has effected his form. he no longer look arsed to fight back. he has fallen from grace.

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Mar 12 2010, 01:37 PM)
All the while, I have been backing Rafa simply because I think the faults are at the players and not the manager.

From what I see now, it seems like Rafa sucks, the players suck even more!
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while i also believe it is not entirely rafa's fault for his players doesn't performed, i also believed his man management is a big factor causing all this. sometimes it does help to praise and be close with players abit.

rafa need to step up and strip gerrard's captaincy and give it to carra or reina. i always think a captain should lead his players and not sulking and moaning when things goes south.

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post Mar 12 2010, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(pskk @ Mar 12 2010, 05:19 PM)
as a liv fan, i'm accustomed to disappointment...or rather i dont set the bar too high altho i do pray....
i thk they did too well last season.....so now everyone is hurting more incl myself.

when they did well, most of you guys were full of praises n now you are calling for their heads.....
as for me, i'm gonna stick by them despite the mistakes that had been made this season n go back to my cave...

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good for you for sticking up with them eventhough they have gone way beyond disappointment.

it's true maybe i (we?) put such high expectations from them because they were excellent last season. but i for one didn't bother if they dont win the league this season.. or the next. what i really hope they continue to play decent and entertain. even when they off form and played ugly, i don't mind as long as they win it. but the way they played now is worst than a League 1 outfit.

when they did well, of course we praises them.. but when they played like shit why can't we criticize? they get paid outrageous money every week to play well. not the opposite.

rafa should stop playing lucas and put stevie at the middle or replace him with the little guy with bones made in china. TWENTY FREAKIN MILLIONS just to sit on the bench or sometimes watch from the stand. sweet!

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