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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Lille next!

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post Jan 19 2010, 12:18 AM

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hi all...im new...

but im the KOP too!!

now liverpool..em.......latest draw with stoke..
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:00 AM)
If it's as simple as buying a quality player(s), real madrid wouldnt have lost until now.
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quality didnt mean 100m per player rolleyes.gif

arsenal can get fabregas (free?) , denilson(3.5m) , ramsey(5m)..
dey r all great although some didnt get much gameplay

chelsea buy drogba(24m) which far more impact than keane but less impact than torres(24m?) ..

unlike us..keane/gonzalez/dossena... dey still didnt make their name on anfield n then was sold oledi..
thre's no more player who played for us now when rafa bought since his 1st arrival on anfield,,
all was sold rclxms.gif



i dun like to tell more cry.gif
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QUOTE(deanmalenko @ Jan 19 2010, 12:18 AM)
hi all...im new...

but im the KOP too!!

now liverpool..em.......latest draw with stoke..
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Hw's it feels like when people sit , step, walk on you? hmm.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:18 AM)
quality didnt mean 100m per player  rolleyes.gif

arsenal can get fabregas (free?) , denilson(3.5m) , ramsey(5m)..
dey r all great although some didnt get much gameplay

chelsea buy drogba(24m) which far more impact than keane but less impact than torres(24m?) ..

unlike us..keane/gonzalez/dossena... dey still didnt make their name on anfield n then was sold oledi..
thre's no more player who played for us now when rafa bought since his 1st arrival on anfield,,
all was sold  rclxms.gif
i dun like to tell more  cry.gif
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you must be an arsenal fan. FYI, fabregas wasn't as good as he's now before joining arsenal. It's not that they get him when he was already a top player like now.
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:18 AM)
quality didnt mean 100m per player  rolleyes.gif

arsenal can get fabregas (free?) , denilson(3.5m) , ramsey(5m)..
dey r all great although some didnt get much gameplay

chelsea buy drogba(24m) which far more impact than keane but less impact than torres(24m?) ..

unlike us..keane/gonzalez/dossena... dey still didnt make their name on anfield n then was sold oledi..
thre's no more player who played for us now when rafa bought since his 1st arrival on anfield,,
all was sold  rclxms.gif
i dun like to tell more  cry.gif
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The fact is, Chelsea have a lot of 24m to spend on while we have to sell few players to buy one 24m.

If you take note, Rafa big signings are good and not flops.(Aquilani remain unseen). wink.gif
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:18 AM)
quality didnt mean 100m per player  rolleyes.gif

arsenal can get fabregas (free?) , denilson(3.5m) , ramsey(5m)..
dey r all great although some didnt get much gameplay

chelsea buy drogba(24m) which far more impact than keane but less impact than torres(24m?) ..

unlike us..keane/gonzalez/dossena... dey still didnt make their name on anfield n then was sold oledi..
thre's no more player who played for us now when rafa bought since his 1st arrival on anfield,,
all was sold  rclxms.gif
i dun like to tell more  cry.gif
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Look, every team has their star players.

Liverpool has Gerard. Liverpool didn't really pay any transfer fee. He's home grown.
What say you?

What would you do if our star player Gerard played like shit? Sell him?
Did Rafa pick a wrong captain? Rafa's fault?

Likewise, same applies to Keane/gonzalez/dossena.
Did Rafa pick a wrong player? Every fan was so excited when Rafa signed these players.
I still remember every Liverpool fan was so freaking happy with Liverpool signing Triple-H.
What would you do if these players play like shit? Sell them? Blame game?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:07 AM)
Morale down due to bad management?  laugh.gif

Our most consistent players like Gerard and Carra played like shit.
They played like shit because of bad management? You mean they got a pay cut? Rafa abused them?
They are paid to play (they get paid even though they played like headless chicken), especially Cara, mistakes after mistakes.
He made mistake because of bad management? He made mistakes due to morale down?


Added on January 19, 2010, 12:10 am
Nope.
50% players (they are soldiers, they are paid to perform - not paid to make mistakes),
30% owners (can anyone tell me what's the owners' contributions?)
20% rafa.
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rafa buy the player..
if his buy is crap then the team is crap
let say rafa buy bramble instead agger,, then it will be disaster concede more goal
let say rafa take diouf instead torres .. then it will be funny


so the manager shape their team whistling.gif


Added on January 19, 2010, 12:28 am
QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:00 AM)
If it's as simple as buying a quality player(s), real madrid wouldnt have lost until now.
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3lost on away game is acceptable for league rather than lost at home for FA cup flex.gif

This post has been edited by skeleton202: Jan 19 2010, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:25 AM)
rafa buy the player..
if his buy is crap then the team is crap
let say rafa buy bramble instead agger,, then it will be disaster concede more goal
let say rafa take diouf instead torres .. then it will be funny
so the manager shape their team whistling.gif
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Yeah, Rafa pick Gerrard and Carra as captains of Liverpool.
See how crappy Gerrard and Carra played lately?
So, Rafa picked wrong players?

There is no LET SAY if we have $$$. We can buy players like RM.
Look at all the biggest clubs, they have $$ to burn.
Like it or not, $$ can buy silverware.
Even if $$ can't buy silverware, it sure can buy world class players.
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so rafa is the one to be blamed for after all this while.. isn't it???
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:32 AM

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I will blame him for sticking with those undroppable... Drop them and play my Pacheco!
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post Jan 19 2010, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:25 AM)
Look, every team has their star players.

Liverpool has Gerard. Liverpool didn't really pay any transfer fee. He's home grown.
What say you?

What would you do if our star player Gerard played like shit? Sell him?
Did Rafa pick a wrong captain? Rafa's fault?

Likewise, same applies to Keane/gonzalez/dossena.
Did Rafa pick a wrong player? Every fan was so excited when Rafa signed these players.
I still remember every Liverpool fan was so freaking happy with Liverpool signing Triple-H. 
What would you do if these players play like shit? Sell them? Blame game?
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homegrown exceptable larh... so why not we play separing instead of paying lucas(6m) ..
dey almost got same rating before lucas start more playing.. isnt waste payin 6m for another same ability..
what say u?
rafa fault?


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dude
if u go lfc forum..

-ppl argue wether robbie worth the 20m or not cz some said he's only 12m-16m
-dossena too.. 7m for italian who juz grading his game juz a season.. some said italian player not suit for english league but i ignore tis one
-bout gonzalez.. not really xcited cz i noe he's another nunez(still noe tis guy?)
not sure if ppl here xcited wether he can be our ronaldo but tats sound funny now biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:32 AM)
I will blame him for sticking with those undroppable... Drop them and play my Pacheco!
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Seriously, how well you know Pacheco? You know him more than Rafa? Are you sure he's better than the rest?
I don't know the answer.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:38 AM)
Seriously, how well you know Pacheco? You know him more than Rafa? Are you sure he's better than the rest?
I don't know the answer.
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I don't know anything but putting on someone like Kuyt who is in a rather bad form helps nothing.

We need a change. Pace , trickery of Pacheco sounds like a decent change.Untested it might be but it will remain untested until Rafa nod his head.
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:37 AM)
homegrown exceptable larh... so why not we play separing instead of paying lucas(6m) ..
dey almost got same rating before lucas start more playing.. isnt waste payin 6m for another same ability..
what say u?
rafa fault?
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dude
if u go lfc forum..

-ppl argue wether robbie worth the 20m or not cz some said he's only 12m-16m
-dossena too.. 7m for italian who juz grading his game juz a season.. some said italian player not suit for english league but i ignore tis one
-bout gonzalez.. not really xcited cz i noe he's another nunez(still noe tis guy?)
not sure if ppl here xcited wether he can be our ronaldo but tats sound funny now  biggrin.gif
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Robbie should worth 20m if he can perform. In fact, we all expected him to perform.
However, he did not have the kind of impact like Torres.

Dossena and Gonzalez are nowhere near perfect-cut diamond. Otherwise, they would have cost us 30-70m.
Face it. You gotta pay freaking lot for a perfect-cut diamond.

Is Gerrard a perfect cut diamond? See, he still played like shit.
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QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:22 AM)
you must be an arsenal fan. FYI, fabregas wasn't as good as he's now before joining arsenal. It's not that they get him when he was already a top player like now.
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i know fab on fifa2007/06 not sure & see he's gonna be next thing after persie although his name isnt famous enuf..

if seeing his play when he 1st arrive, i can see he gonna be good cz of his technic , bravery , vision alhtough he didnt hav enuf assist.. but after his goal against juve then the guy improving like the 1 i nvr expected b4 i noe him yawn.gif

so fifa is better than rafa in term of finding talent rolleyes.gif

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i can expect wat ppl will reply to me so nid to reply :
stop dreaming in fifa / pes / lma as a reality.. dun judge player on game whistling.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 19 2010, 12:42 AM)
I don't know anything but putting on someone like Kuyt who is in a rather bad form helps nothing.

We need a change. Pace , trickery of Pacheco sounds like a decent change.Untested it might be but it will remain untested until Rafa nod his head.
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We need a change? Errr... remember how people blamed Rafa for rotating players?

Seriously, I think Pacheco can replace Ngog but not Kuyt.
Kuyt still has the first team experience (that we badly need). Kuyt has scored many crucial goals that saved our sorry ass.

Honestly speaking, I find it weird to see Kuyt to play on the right side. laugh.gif
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Gerrard is in deep sh*t of form especially after injuries.. but for the last few games it's like he's the only source to find a goal (like most of time before)... .
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Rafa see positive in Stoke match?

Quoted from www.soccernet.com
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=726782&cc=3888

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Benitez sees positives after draw with Stoke City


I can only see Stoke City bombard the goal mouth of Liverpool and Liverpool play 8 defensive minded players on that match resulted in 1 shot on target for entire match and a lucky goal due to mistake by Sorensen. May be the 1 shot on target is the goal itself?
May be I switched on the wrong channel...
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 19 2010, 12:45 AM)
Robbie should worth 20m if he can perform. In fact, we all expected him to perform.
However, he did not have the kind of impact like Torres.

Dossena and Gonzalez are nowhere near perfect-cut diamond. Otherwise, they would have cost us 30-70m.
Face it. You gotta pay freaking lot for a perfect-cut diamond.

Is Gerrard a perfect cut diamond? See, he still played like shit.
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no mate he's not worth it..
depending on his age / lack or no european league stage / lack of WC stage ..
he juz worth a little than our ex bellamy doh.gif

hmmm i think evra from Manu almost near perfect-cut diamond and only cost 5.5m & he's become key member of united's defence based i read on wiki.. yet in real world he's too good..
shuld i tell bout gael clichy too? he also look sharp

gerrard' case.. i thnk he got no mood in our situation.. with current management & current player & lost of xabi..
maybe he flashback during 2004.. almost every position depend on him.. so after flashback tat, gerrard seems become emo rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 19 2010, 12:52 AM)
Rafa see positive in Stoke match?

Quoted from www.soccernet.com
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=726782&cc=3888
I can only see Stoke City bombard the goal mouth of Liverpool and Liverpool play 8 defensive minded players on that match resulted in 1 shot on target for entire match and a lucky goal due to mistake by Sorensen. May be the 1 shot on target is the goal itself?
May be I switched on the wrong channel...
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Rafa sees positive in Stoke match? This should not come out from the mouth of Rafa.
IMO, the owners should say this. I think it would give a better impact.

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