Are there stores still selling it?

This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 8 2010, 04:58 PM

PDP-428XG Jusco...very expensive...Rm8888..still available..
IF can find in Senq its RM4XXX based on a members feedback.

PDP508XG Senq...goes for RM9XXX...not sure now...

resolution too low. 1024x768... paying for 786k pixels feels shortchanged vs normal FullHD 2.07million pixels..

Wow, so expensive still?? How about Desa Home Theater? Anyone checked that out yet?



Resolution is quite low but then at 42", will that make such a big difference?


By the way, I am planning to pair it with a PS3 which is used mainly for BD movies. I plan to use it occasionally with my xbox too. Is that a good choice or should I gun for something else?

So far, I have also checked out the Pana G10 series. Looks really good!

py800 still 4k too...

yes if course important, or else why watch 2million pixel full HD BDs? just watch normal DVds if resolution is not a concern.. and way cheaper too..

kuro got full hd?

Sure. Like the KRP-500A you saw at saprozeldo's place.

Odd how the resolution is 1024x768 (4:3 ratio) when the panel ratio is 16:9.

joking rite? best plasma around and dun have full HD??

no wonder it looks fantastic

no really no joke. i didnt know. last time i heard no full hd from kuro.

so krp-500a is the final model? kuro no longer in production right?

the pixels are stretched.. not square..

anyway you can feed it 16:9 video and the internal processor will adjust to make it 16:9 with only 1024x768 pixels..

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Added on January 8, 2010, 11:17 pmfull HD pioneers has been around long, but not sold in malaysia few years ago..

This post has been edited by ar188: Jan 8 2010, 11:17 PM

ah ok. thanks for the info. me peasant cant afford kuro

now cheap cheap.. 4k + for the 428.. if can find..

Here you go.

http://www.hlk2u.com/Plasma-TV-42-PIONEER-...=876&doit=order

Just buy one unit. I want it too. RM4399. Still cant decide if i should get this kuro or samsung LED. But i love the kuro.Always been a plasma fan....

Hope you enjoy it.

Wah, damn tempting...Good price too.. thanks man..

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Added on January 9, 2010, 1:48 amUmmm, what I meant was is there a noticeable difference since it's only a 42". I once read that full HD and HD ready only has a difference on 50" tvs and above.


This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 9 2010, 01:48 AM

if most of the time the display device spent on Astro / astro HD programme, then PDP-428 is perfect buy for RM4399 and to consider RM3999 for the 50" Panasonic PV80HM which better buy option too. I've the 15 months old panasonic plasma 42PV80HM model come with 5 years warranty and it works very well for astro programme (SD or HD byond) and can display Byond HD picture very clear and nice. but do pick LED or LCD display device , if you often watch Bluray movies.

or extend budget to 12k and get that krp-500a....

if watch Bluray of course choose Plasma la.. why use LCD?

I have a question, why is it so cheap at HLK? Display unit ah?

why cant use lcd?

Desa HT sells 508XG at 8800 and KRP500A at RM13K. For 428XG, it's been discontinued but if you still can get new at RM4.5K or less, grab it. I paid full price at RM6999 more than a year ago. The picture is just phenomenal for 42inch considering it's rez is only 1024x768. It's still better looking than most FulHD plasma today. Flagship AV in Kepong has full range Kuros and gives best deal also.

The only thing that's stopping me from getting it at this very moment is the fact that it's not Full HD. I am planning on using it for BD movies and I sit 6 feet from the tv (because it's gonna be in my bedroom). Do you think the resolution makes a difference in my case?

Display unit or not, oklaaa. Even not full HD, its fantastic. i want one myself.

Display unit? Don't want la, if that's the case I'll go for the Panny 42" G10. But other places also might be selling at 4.5k so I think it's not a display set.
By the way, has anyone made comparisons between the 428XG and the Pana TH-P42G10K? I am actually torn between the two. Can someone give me their input?


Here are the specs for the Panny: Panasonic Viera TH-P42G10K Specs

428, it's not even proper 720p HD.. dun waste your time on this la unless you firmly SD or DVD camp.. maybe 3years ago is fine without much 720p/1080i/p content, but not now.. with BDs and B'yond Astro

6 feet I think 50inch might be larger than life...

Anyway, it put inside bedroom remember to install at a very slanting angle...if not neck and eyes pain

read somewhere that g10 black is on par or nearest to 8g pioneer. full hd too..
as per fellow forummers said, if you into BD then its FullHD. if you're astro/dvd then 428xg is among the best if you dont mind spending 4k+...

g10k is around 4.5-5k nowadays right?

casually on the shop floor I also thing the 428 looks super great..

but then I start noticing jagged lines instead of clean diagonal lines on fonts and logo and objects during demo and movie scenes, can pixel structure.. too distracting for my tastes..

so I cannot agree it's even better than a full HD S10 which is lowest costs at 3k.. ,if it can't resolve even half of the blu ray resolution...

it's like playing 720p PS3 games on composite 480i output instead of HD HDMI connection.. it just doesn't cut it..

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Added on January 9, 2010, 9:27 pmread the response to the post below again..

"but do pick LED or LCD display device , if you often watch Bluray movies."

so it means plasma is not recommended over LCD/LED.. sure or not?

This post has been edited by ar188: Jan 9 2010, 09:27 PM

First time saw the 508XG. Despite not Full HD, I speechless, the picture quality so real and awesome and with '3D' feel. BTW, found one shop is clearing the Display Set for RM7999 (comes with 5 yrs warranty). Really itchy liao... Is this a worth buy for 8th Gen display? Is there any 50" TV comes close to the 508XG's PQ for $8k?

508 should be ok.. seen mpyw's one many times, very good!..

donno coz im not the one who said that. for me it's a matter of personal preference. i prefer lcd over plasma but im not saying lcd is better

I'm merely answering your question on why I said that (cos someone suggest LCD/LED).. not whether I'm interested to know if you prefer LCD or plasma..

....and im just asking back why u said if watch bd use plasma n not lcd...why...why...

u ask why anfielddude got a Plasma instead of LCD la.. I'm sure his answer is very agreeable to me.. (after all he got calibrator eyes)

i rest my case then. never want to argue with sifu

I saw our kawan yesterday,.. we should meet up together soon..

just got mine a couple weeks back.. DesaHT, go see Chin.. can get better price than that but it was a cash deal tho.. 428XG and 508XG is HDReady but pic quality is still superb.. saw the latter at mpyw.. watching animation really give you that wow factor..
someone said if display pun, just get it.. kinda agree with him.. but nego further la.. you know, 428XG really extinct oredi.. kinda like collector's item oredi.. heheh.. even 508XG is running out.. you notice how you see used panny/samsung/sony/other always appearing on mudah for sale.. ever see a pioneer TV? i know none coz been monitoring for some time.. ANYWAYS, you go la bring your favorite bluray go to your favorite shop and ask them to play d bluray on d G10 and 8XGs.. let your eyes decide..

some ppl questions pioneer PQ since HDready at 720p (or shd i say 768p).. i used panny's 42LZ80 FullHD and 42S10 FullHD.. then made a trip to mpyw's pad and watched a couple of MKV and bluray demo on his 508XG.. decided there and then, when i got me some moolah, will get me a kuro..

so when i got my kuro, watched kungfu panda.. feels like am watching it for the first time all over again.. this is coming from a panny guy with LZ80 fullHD and S10 fullHD.. still keep my LZ80.. always reminding me how the PQ upgrade justify the premium i had to pay..

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Added on January 10, 2010, 12:18 ami dun rep desaHT but fyi can get better than that price for New set from my sales guy at desaHT..

re PQ, think if you wait a couple months.. i think by then there may be some models challenging the 508XG.. but owning a kuro for namesake, think that is irreplaceable.. thought of the panny P50V11 before pioneer krp500.. unfortunately, that one you have to smuggle from singapore la.. panny not bringing into malaysia.. panny's p54z1 is in malaysia BUT its too expensive.. 19k vs 12k..

This post has been edited by saprozeldo: Jan 10 2010, 12:18 AM

Bro, too bad i'm from north. Any idea how much is new set for 508XG @ Desa HT?

Not sure about Desa, was at Harvey Norman Mid Valley yesterday, IIRC even they were listing the price for a 508xg at RM8888.

Anyone care to make comparisons between a 428/508XG with either a S10/G10?
I am currently torn between the S10/G10 and the 428/508. Help!!

Bro Demon, it is better to bring yr favourite disc to test out @ yr normal viewing distance. Let yr eyes to decide. Do take note S10, G10 & 428/508 are different league lo... also the price...

apple n orange?

i now have pana g10..superb plasma for the price..4.5k..u'll get deep black depth n very good motion handling..n natural color..here in penang still can find pioneer 428xg..last time the price was 4599..for me..as for now..i think it is best to go for pana 42g10..if u can wait sometime..around 4 months time..pana will release new LED LCD TV..

Different league? But same price range ma. Thanks, I plan to go check them all out.

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Added on January 11, 2010, 9:08 amI don't want an LED LCD TV. I prefer a plasma since I'm gonna use it for BD movies.

The G10 and the 428 have good black levels. Does the G10 better the 428 in this department? It's hard to see it in a shop because they are usually brightly lit so I need a owner's perspective.
The other main difference here is the resolution. Will it make a difference to a normal person? G10' full HD and 428XG is not.

This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 11 2010, 09:08 AM

G10 vs 428

I will take G10 for:-

newer tech
fullHD
428 is like produce in 2006/2007 ago

unless u go for KRP500/600, then I don't see why u don't want the Panny G series....

Although I'm a plasma user and also loves to go around checking out new and good stuff, comparing this and that..

I personally find LEDLCD TV very attractive...especially Samsung series 7 & 8....and I meant it for movies...

G10 does not reach the black levels of the 428. Nor does it have the colour accuracy of the 428. Another area where the 428 is better is the availibility of the 9 point gamma correction for better overall greyscale and gamma.

I believe the G10 and the 428 are pretty close in Lumens/Watt technology, however the G10 is slightly higher in that aspect since it was newer.

Resolution wise of course the G10 is Full HD vs 428 which is only 1024X768.

Will u notice the resolution difference, only u can tell. Ur viewing distance of 6ft comes into the territory of where u shd see the difference.

However, in my opinion on a 42in set, the pixels are already very close to each other, some people will not see a difference on moving pictures. On static images, difference will be there, again depending on how observant u r.

On ar188 comment, on scaling artefacts, I have not seen them on actual Blu Ray content but on actual test patterns it can be observed, albeit subtlely. There is no actual jagged edges, however, on 1080p test patterns, there are instances of loss of resolution.

I have also found that in my case to reduce the artefacts due to downscaling on test patterns, being able to output 720p from a capable Blu Ray player reduces these instances. Again, it does not seem to matter when viewing actual HD material, especially since the 428 is capable of accepting 1080p/24Hz and reproducing it at 72Hz. This is an area that I am not sure if the G addresses.

All in all, the decision is urs. In my opinion, if it is a 50in set, I think Full HD is important, on a 42in set, resolution is not the no 1 issue as the pixels are pretty close together. However, people differ in what they see and hear, and some people are more sensitive to things than others. So I would suggest u taking ur favourite Blu Ray Disc and get them to test it on both the sets and view it from ur viewing distance.

How much different is the 508XG with the KRP-500A?

about 4k?

Thanks mate!
I'll definitely bring my favourite BD (Dark Knight) when I go check out the G10 and the 428. Besides those, are there any other plasmas that are in the same price range that will give me comparable PQ?

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Added on January 11, 2010, 11:09 amI found out that the PDP-LX508G is Full HD. Anyone know the price of this? It should be the cheapest full HD Pioneer around rite?

This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 11 2010, 11:09 AM

Unfortunately, none.

Also, I would advise u to see if u can notice the differences between the Full HD and the HD Ready. This is the main factor. The other factor is there will be definately some lower energy consumption on the G10, but it is neglible. In all other areas, post calibration the 428 is superior. However, u might not be able to notice them in the showroom. The settings of the G10 and the Kuro are important.

One thing to note though, the Movie mode on the Kuro does not yield a very bright picture in the showroom however with Colour Space 2 it is the most accurate out of the box. Of course, to get brighter u need to enable the ISFccc modes that enable a brighter image without clipping. U can use User mode to compare, set colour space to 2, contrast around 28 and brigthness not more than 1. Set colour at around +3. Shut off all Noise Reduction. The 428 and the 508 have overscan by default and cannot be turned off. U will lose about 8 pixels of info on each side. Select the Full viewing mode.

The G10 using Standard will look brighter but the colour reproduction is innaccurate. However, post calibration the greyscale is pretty good. Only problem is the gamma curve is S shaped. What this will show is more details in shadow that shd not be visible. U can calibrate that out but u will end up with black crush. To compare use either Normal or Standard (I'm not sure) and set contrast around 80 and brightness at zero. Colour shd be around 58 or so. Swithc off Overscan. Select the Just viewing mode.

Happy choosing.

If u r going for the LX, might as well go for the KRP-500, I believe is around 13k. I doubt u can get a LX below RM10k.

Bro Demon, with Dark Knight, you shall appreciate the dark scenes.

Why not 508XG? The resolution is higher at 1365 x 768, but still not a Full HD.

I don't think you can calibrate the color for S10 and G10. If you are serious about color accuracy, you should consider those TV with CMS.

Well, there goes the idea of getting the LX la. Hahaha..Thanks for your very valuable info. You have both the G10 and the Kuro i pressume? I've been asking around and most of my friends tell me that they are not able to notice the difference between Full HD and HD Ready, so I am more inclined to the Kuro at the moment.

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Added on January 11, 2010, 11:31 amI like the 508XG too. Do you happen to know the current price? It's listed as RM9999 in Pioneer's Malaysian website.

This post has been edited by DemonTweakZ: Jan 11 2010, 11:31 AM

nods, the difference between 508xg and krp-500 is about 4k. nevertheless, its also worthwhile to check out what panasonic going to offer in a few more months.

though we always get the downgraded ones...

which is why my vote is with pioneer, tq for selling xg,lx and krp even at a premium.

This post has been edited by lightastral: Jan 11 2010, 11:32 AM

Perhaps this might help. But again, use your own eyes.

When I watch 508XG for the first times, I was blown away with the superb picture quality, film like quality and didn't cross my mind what was the screen resolution.

i own a 428 pioneer. linked it with my xbox 360 , pc , dvd player.
still happy and satisfied with it performance.

I own the 428 and the 600M. I have calibrated numerous S10s, X10s (C10) and played around with a G10. I have not calibrated a G10 so am unsure of the true potential. However, I have seen teh calibrated numbers of a THX enabled G10 and I know that the differences between that and the S10 are not too much, except that it has better black levels. Asian G series does not have THX, so the only difference is increased levels of gradiation (different panel) and better blacks due to a mixture of panel and AR coating.

The V and the Z series have more accurate colours.

The 2010 V series will be the one to match the Kuros.

When you say that, do you mean the 428 or the latest Kuros? Do you happen to know the pricing for the 508XG? I think that would be a better option than the 428 rite? Since the resolution is better on the 508. Not considering the $$$ I would have to splash of course.

What abt Samsungs LEDLCD TV...especially series8..have you calibrated that yet?....the images looks maybe too good to be true..whats your opinion?

Ah bro, you seem to have very deep interests in these units and I am sure one day you will get one of them.
Last week 2 of my friends were going to buy and they had viewed other brands and models etc etc and before putting the hammer down they came and viewed them for half an hour and then they placed orders for 2 units. Though still pricey but they had no qualms about it.

Sorry to tumpang this thread. Out of topic.

This post has been edited by braveheart: Jan 11 2010, 12:09 PM

hehe.dun get me wrong...first is I hate Samsung brand what more of LCD colors...but I can't lie to myself...I've fallen in love with the Samsung LEDLCD series 8.

yeah i dont like samsung brand also last time but now samsung series 8 really caught my attention

8500.. very good!

Estimate how much for 50inch one?

I saw some forummers selling them. Forgot the price tho. Btw, anyone has any idea how much the 508XG costs? I've been looking around but found nothing.

I think its RM9,999 at Senq...but dunno latest price now...if still available or not.

46inch is around 2.5k in US.. 55 will be more...

http://www.avguide.com/review/samsung-8500...ing-playback-26




This post has been edited by ar188: Jan 11 2010, 01:20 PM

Taken off the official website already. Don't know why? Last time abt 3.6k for 55".

SenQ is selling 508XG for RM7999 (Display set), calar a bit here n there on the plastic cover. No problem on the panel since its made of glass . New set at Harvey for RM8999. If you don't mind about Display set, you can save RM1k

I believe Pioneer wanted to clear all old model since their new Flagship Full HD plasma oledi in the market.

Anothing thing, the 508XG contrast spec is 16000:1 whereas the current Plasma oledi in millions:1. Is the latter one inflated no or different test mode?

This post has been edited by gocitygo: Jan 11 2010, 01:33 PM

still got new flagship plasma models???

16000:1 should be native contract where millions:1 is dynamic contract. Very interesting want to know the performance for 2010's Panasonic VT25 series so-called 5,000,000:1 native contract.

This post has been edited by low98944: Jan 11 2010, 01:39 PM

oopsss..should be current flagship. he he.

I have calibrated the 950. The edge LED backlits are pretty good, but not as good as the 950.

The Sammys strengths are the colour accuracy post calibration with the 3D CMS. However, the greyscale and gamma is not that great. The calibrated contrast ratios will still be not as high as a plasma, however, for gaming will be good.

Also if u watch movies in the dark, they still leave a bit to be desired in black levels.

However, if I were to suggest to anyone to get a LCD, i would recommend a local dimming LED backlit set. Hence the 950. I believe Sammy is not planning to release the 8500 to Asian and European regions.

I would suggest u contacting a LX dealer. There are a few left, if the dealer cares to find one. Be careful there are plenty of display sets around. My friend got one in November (new set) for RM8500.

cash price, less than rm8k.. how much less depends on your nego skills..

LX508 for RM8500. Do you have any contact @ Penang? TQ.

TQ.

need to "show me the money" technique ?

Forgive me if I confused you. Contact a LX dealer. Then get them to quote the XG. The price was for a 508XG and not a LX508G. The only dealers that can carry Pioneer stuff are LX dealers. I was told that Pioneer has taken control of all its remaining stocks to clear the last batch.

Wah, that's nearly double the price of the 428XG! HLK is selling the 428 for 4400. Would that be a display item since the website only states that there are 4 units available?
Source: http://www.hlk2u.com/Plasma-TV-42-PIONEER-...=876&doit=order

Watch out, there seems to be many display sets out there.

Do u know how to check the hours? Else PM I will let u know.

428 = non HD panel, not even 720p
508 = HD panel..

I would think based on that alone it's preferable to get the HD panel one..

Bro, can you PM me how to check the hours. TQ

Is it possible for me to check the hours before I buy it? Won't they get offended? I'm sure the salesperson will tell me that it's brand new even if it's a display set.

who cares if they get offended?

do they care when they tell u it's new but u find out later it's a display unit???

This post has been edited by ronnt88: Jan 11 2010, 03:30 PM

Actually, you've got a right to know if he is selling you a demo set..or a new one...some ppl dun mind demo set..but ask for discounts.

Anfieldude,
Could you give me a comparison between the G10 and the S10? Those two are my 2nd and 3rd choice respectively. If the 428 is going to be a display model, I won't get it. I would rather get the G10 or the S10. I would also appreciate opinions from anyone else.

G10 definately better in my eyesight, try to go to harvey norman midvalley whereby they compare side by side among G10, X10 and lcd panel..

check the hours

so bro norazwan79, did you get your kuro? good price? how do you find your kuro experience? worth the premium?

I think that Desa electronic store is having a sale, those interested should check it out...they should Pioneer TV in their Adverts

This is for 9G and is outdated. For 8G u can check using the remote.

Bought krp500A @RM11.5k. Very satisfied with the performance compared to my old LCD TV.
3 HDMI input used for ps3, dvico player and desktop pc.
The PQ of pc at 1920x1080 resolution superb! unbelievable!
I never expect plasma tv can do better like this, close to lcd monitor PQ. Sharp fonts, no blurrish etc....
Really worth for money.
Thanks bro saprozeldo for ur shop suggestion.

Don't mind me askin, where did u bought the KURO?Here in KK very hard to get that sort of pricing..most of the shops here quoted me RM13K plus...