G10 does not reach the black levels of the 428. Nor does it have the colour accuracy of the 428. Another area where the 428 is better is the availibility of the 9 point gamma correction for better overall greyscale and gamma.

I believe the G10 and the 428 are pretty close in Lumens/Watt technology, however the G10 is slightly higher in that aspect since it was newer.

Resolution wise of course the G10 is Full HD vs 428 which is only 1024X768.

Will u notice the resolution difference, only u can tell. Ur viewing distance of 6ft comes into the territory of where u shd see the difference.

However, in my opinion on a 42in set, the pixels are already very close to each other, some people will not see a difference on moving pictures. On static images, difference will be there, again depending on how observant u r.

On ar188 comment, on scaling artefacts, I have not seen them on actual Blu Ray content but on actual test patterns it can be observed, albeit subtlely. There is no actual jagged edges, however, on 1080p test patterns, there are instances of loss of resolution.

I have also found that in my case to reduce the artefacts due to downscaling on test patterns, being able to output 720p from a capable Blu Ray player reduces these instances. Again, it does not seem to matter when viewing actual HD material, especially since the 428 is capable of accepting 1080p/24Hz and reproducing it at 72Hz. This is an area that I am not sure if the G addresses.

All in all, the decision is urs. In my opinion, if it is a 50in set, I think Full HD is important, on a 42in set, resolution is not the no 1 issue as the pixels are pretty close together. However, people differ in what they see and hear, and some people are more sensitive to things than others. So I would suggest u taking ur favourite Blu Ray Disc and get them to test it on both the sets and view it from ur viewing distance.

Unfortunately, none.

Also, I would advise u to see if u can notice the differences between the Full HD and the HD Ready. This is the main factor. The other factor is there will be definately some lower energy consumption on the G10, but it is neglible. In all other areas, post calibration the 428 is superior. However, u might not be able to notice them in the showroom. The settings of the G10 and the Kuro are important.

One thing to note though, the Movie mode on the Kuro does not yield a very bright picture in the showroom however with Colour Space 2 it is the most accurate out of the box. Of course, to get brighter u need to enable the ISFccc modes that enable a brighter image without clipping. U can use User mode to compare, set colour space to 2, contrast around 28 and brigthness not more than 1. Set colour at around +3. Shut off all Noise Reduction. The 428 and the 508 have overscan by default and cannot be turned off. U will lose about 8 pixels of info on each side. Select the Full viewing mode.

The G10 using Standard will look brighter but the colour reproduction is innaccurate. However, post calibration the greyscale is pretty good. Only problem is the gamma curve is S shaped. What this will show is more details in shadow that shd not be visible. U can calibrate that out but u will end up with black crush. To compare use either Normal or Standard (I'm not sure) and set contrast around 80 and brightness at zero. Colour shd be around 58 or so. Swithc off Overscan. Select the Just viewing mode.

Happy choosing.

If u r going for the LX, might as well go for the KRP-500, I believe is around 13k. I doubt u can get a LX below RM10k.

I own the 428 and the 600M. I have calibrated numerous S10s, X10s (C10) and played around with a G10. I have not calibrated a G10 so am unsure of the true potential. However, I have seen teh calibrated numbers of a THX enabled G10 and I know that the differences between that and the S10 are not too much, except that it has better black levels. Asian G series does not have THX, so the only difference is increased levels of gradiation (different panel) and better blacks due to a mixture of panel and AR coating.

The V and the Z series have more accurate colours.

The 2010 V series will be the one to match the Kuros.

I have calibrated the 950. The edge LED backlits are pretty good, but not as good as the 950.

The Sammys strengths are the colour accuracy post calibration with the 3D CMS. However, the greyscale and gamma is not that great. The calibrated contrast ratios will still be not as high as a plasma, however, for gaming will be good.

Also if u watch movies in the dark, they still leave a bit to be desired in black levels.

However, if I were to suggest to anyone to get a LCD, i would recommend a local dimming LED backlit set. Hence the 950. I believe Sammy is not planning to release the 8500 to Asian and European regions.

I would suggest u contacting a LX dealer. There are a few left, if the dealer cares to find one. Be careful there are plenty of display sets around. My friend got one in November (new set) for RM8500.

Forgive me if I confused you. Contact a LX dealer. Then get them to quote the XG. The price was for a 508XG and not a LX508G. The only dealers that can carry Pioneer stuff are LX dealers. I was told that Pioneer has taken control of all its remaining stocks to clear the last batch.

Watch out, there seems to be many display sets out there.

Do u know how to check the hours? Else PM I will let u know.

This is for 9G and is outdated. For 8G u can check using the remote.

For the 500A with the ISFccc u can get a brighter more accurate image post calibration. Above 50ftL with no clipping!

I bought mine at a bundle with some friends who purchased the older 8G (428XG, 508XG). I bought it around RM23k+ with 5 yr warranty (bundle price 5 months ago). At that time, the MSRP was RM35k, selling price was between RM25-27k depending on where u asked.

Not elite lah...

CT.Seong,
Is the price at 21.9K with 5 yr warranty.

I think if anyone can get it at the current price is pretty good. From what I heard, there are limited units left for the 600M. There are more units of the KRP-500A left at the moment.

From what I have heard the M series calibrates slightly better than the A, but I doubt the eye could actually see it.

Also the 500 series is rumored to be slightly "blacker" as the incorporated some of the 10G advancements that they did that did not make it to the 60in, except possibly the last batch.

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Added on January 19, 2010, 12:51 pm
Another note:

I for one was really not sure how much more the last gen Pioneers would improve of the 8G 428XG/508XG. However, the black levels improvements are pretty clear when compared. I did some quick cals (non ISFccc) to get the greyscale close. The Ms have the "Pure" mode. Without too much changes the greyscale was tracking below DE1976 of 1! Gamma was tracking at 2.25 and was flat. Colours were almost perfect within the CIE1931 coordinates. DE1994 on most colours below 3. Slightly higher DE on blue as it was slightly in the CIE triangle. Nighttime viewing using a bias lighting behind the set, I cannot distinguish the bezel from the black (2.35:1) bars. I set it for 20ftL only as the set only has 90hrs or viewing on them

The sets will improve after the 50hr mark, drastic improvements after the 200hr mark. The picture will deteriote from 200hr - 270+hrs. Then it will become better after that. Black levels will continue to improve until the 700hr mark, where it will be as black as that going forward.

However, no set is perfect and there are some flaws that were there even on the 8G Kuros.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 19 2010, 12:51 PM

My friend, based on the constant rumors abt u, this one display cannot match ur other sports car and ur numerous almost erotic relationship with swiss watches....

Ur the true elite, its just that ur interests have moved on to greener pastures

Not to mention a older panny projector that at the time that u bought it was an arm and a leg!

But we digress and before someone comes over and asks us to shut up, we shd.

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Added on January 19, 2010, 1:57 pmYeah, my next trip, will also bring over the CMS box, tested it briefly, very impressed. Will send it back for an upgrade to the Pro version.

BTW, u can check out the CMS box as the NDA is already lifted, Its called VideoEQ by AVFoundry. There is a clip over at YouTube on the unveiling at CES. I will try to start a thread on it.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 19 2010, 01:57 PM

If they only played 2:35 aspect ratio all the time and they set it in dynamic mode, I doubt that can be cured, especially if they have been doing that for 2800hrs!

Was it on dynamic mode? Or movie mode? What was the contrast?

How many times the panel was switched on and off IIRC.

Ah....my 428 is not hooked up to B.yond, when I get a hdmi splitter, I will get some settings for Astro B.yond. However, it is not on my list now, so, it will take time

The KRP-500A in Asia does not have Pure mode.

Only the Ms have Pure mode.

I would suggest not using optimum for now. Use movie mode to break in with reasonable contrast. Or if using the break in DVD then use sport.

Ur best bet is to calibrate it with the ISF modes. That shd be the best for you.

Pls get a Spyder 3 Pro and not the others. Also u need to buy controlcal to access the ISF modes, else u can only calibrate the normal modes.

U mean new models from Pioneer or other brands? Coz Pioneer will not release any more plasmas for now. They have exit the display industry. Also I would question whether HN sets are new or display or open box.

Sorry, I meant the Spyder 3.