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Two price structures for petrol from May 1, 1Malaysia Serious Talk
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rcracer
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Jan 7 2010, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(leinnz @ Jan 7 2010, 08:59 AM) lol. tis system sucks. Lets say i'm the owner of a petrol stat n i can just give the subsidy to whomever i want. how to chk who is entitled n who is not? making the system will cost more than subsidising. better just have one then 2. either u subsidised or u dun't at all http://paultan.org/2009/11/22/epetrol-for-...idy-management/QUOTE At the WCIT 2008 conference, ePetrol was demonstrating a way that fuel subsidies could be controlled and given to Malaysians only. In their implementation at that time, the petrol kiosk displays and charges the unsubsidised market price for petrol by default.
When an ePetrol-enabled MyKad is inserted, the subsidised price will be available. The petrol receipt (which I saw back at the event but for some reasons did not take pix of) shows both the unsubsidised price and the subsidy given.
Apparently ePetrol and EON Bank launched a pilot project in September last year for 250 EON Bank customers to use their MyKad to pay for fuel purchases at certain selected BHPetrol and Caltex stations. During the pilot trial, ePetrol gave the trial users a discount of 15 sen per liter up to 150 liters a month. You can probably consider the 15 sen discount effectively a test of a potential subsidy system.
ePetrol revealed at the WCIT 2008 that its system had a subsidy management system module. The module is able to identify MyKad holders entitled to fuel subsidies, manage the amount of subsidies allocated to each consumer, controlling the frequency of the subsidy provided (weekly limits, monthly limits, etc), and managing how the subsidy is provided (lump sum each month or a percentage of each purchase).
This would mean that a technical system for a MyKad-based subsidy system to be implemented has already been undergoing testing for over a year. Now one big question mark is for the government to finalise the nitty gritty details on how to determine who gets subsidies and how much subsidies they should get. The ePetrol system will be reprogrammed, implemented in all stations (this could possibly be a costly thing), and wala! You have a subsidy system set in place.
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SUSSonic boomer
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Jan 7 2010, 05:02 PM
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SPR will update the govt who voted for govt and who voted for PR. PR no subsidy.
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Rowan23
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Jan 7 2010, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 7 2010, 04:59 PM) most probably is a cased based subisdy, like the 300 we get last time, according to car registration card is stated engine CC, also there is plans to use myKad to verify identity but then again, more back-end processes, can't someone just waltz in to the petrol station, pay, pump and leave, instead of checking IC and all what's-not, and not only that, what if my French friends in Malaysia wants to pump petrol and ask me to do it instead of him? Or the car that i am driving is registered under my dad/mom/uncle/aunt/grandfather/grandmother/BF/GF/Dog's name then how to check?
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rcracer
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Jan 7 2010, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(Rowan23 @ Jan 7 2010, 09:05 AM) but then again, more back-end processes, can't someone just waltz in to the petrol station, pay, pump and leave, instead of checking IC and all what's-not, and not only that, what if my French friends in Malaysia wants to pump petrol and ask me to do it instead of him? Or the car that i am driving is registered under my dad/mom/uncle/aunt/grandfather/grandmother/BF/GF/Dog's name then how to check? can see my reply above, anyways nobody is going to give away their subsidy bro, and very likely it is limited amount say 150 liters permonth which might be enough for some, so your going to give that to your French expat friends who earn more than you? if your dad can own 2-3 cars the assumption is he can afford the 2.10 petrol price too. your uncle aunt also won't give their subsidy to you
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leinnz
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Jan 7 2010, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 7 2010, 06:02 PM) how is one to apply to have it? Every1 with valid drivers license to get? or every1 with a car/bike to get it? Only for petrol? How about Diesel?
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yeezai
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Jan 7 2010, 05:09 PM
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soooooo much trouble in the stuff better tell us msian plainly dat they wan to increase the petrol and wan to earn more settle...
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dopodplaya
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Jan 7 2010, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(leinnz @ Jan 7 2010, 05:08 PM) how is one to apply to have it? Every1 with valid drivers license to get? or every1 with a car/bike to get it? Only for petrol? How about Diesel? Diesel is way cheaper than petrol and the price for industrial use does not include any government subsidy. Go figure.
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anip94
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Jan 7 2010, 05:10 PM
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....."kalau boleh naik la basikal".... Akhil Hayy Rawa
This post has been edited by anip94: Jan 7 2010, 05:11 PM
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R a D ! c 4 L
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Jan 7 2010, 05:10 PM
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Linc | Nox
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fukken mah fan system
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leinnz
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Jan 7 2010, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Jan 7 2010, 06:10 PM) Diesel is way cheaper than petrol and the price for industrial use does not include any government subsidy. Go figure. FYI: industrial diesel is expensive and to my previous question: from paul tan as well QUOTE "The ePetrol system will be reprogrammed, implemented in all stations (this could possibly be a costly thing), and wala! You have a subsidy system set in place."
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g3n0c1d3
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Jan 7 2010, 05:13 PM
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blom try dah complain... complain... complain.....
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rcracer
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Jan 7 2010, 05:15 PM
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as long as i see the BMW beside me pay 2.10 and me in my gen2 pay 1.80 i happy
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leinnz
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Jan 7 2010, 05:15 PM
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^ I'm just happy if they just abolished these system n have the floating system. Prices base on market price
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Rowan23
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Jan 7 2010, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 7 2010, 05:08 PM) can see my reply above, anyways nobody is going to give away their subsidy bro, and very likely it is limited amount say 150 liters permonth which might be enough for some, so your going to give that to your French expat friends who earn more than you? if your dad can own 2-3 cars the assumption is he can afford the 2.10 petrol price too. your uncle aunt also won't give their subsidy to you true, but what about logistics firm then, a special company card to give them subsidy?...all in all, it's a very ma fan system, it's better that government start looking at the bigger picture overall, employee's basic salary...you have to adjust it accordingly in order for people to survive and buy basic stuff. I remember a friend of mine gave me a small calculation regarding the pay of an average household and how they survive in M'sia....it's just that bad...
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kai_rel
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Jan 7 2010, 05:17 PM
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the first thing is to change the car ROAD TAX structure.
before this the reason of high roadtax for large engine capacity is the fuel subsidy.
so now i expect ther goveernment to put a common roadtax price. i dont care if i dont have petrol subsidy but i want my car road tax to be SENSIBLE!
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dopodplaya
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Jan 7 2010, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(leinnz @ Jan 7 2010, 05:12 PM) FYI: industrial diesel is expensive and to my previous question: from paul tan as well that's the whole point... There is no subsidy for industrial use diesel, go figure.
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g3n0c1d3
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Jan 7 2010, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(kai_rel @ Jan 7 2010, 05:17 PM) the first thing is to change the car ROAD TAX structure. before this the reason of high roadtax for large engine capacity is the fuel subsidy. so now i expect ther goveernment to put a common roadtax price. i dont care if i dont have petrol subsidy but i want my car road tax to be SENSIBLE! roadtax is cheap now my friend.... the insurance is not.....
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rcracer
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Jan 7 2010, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(Rowan23 @ Jan 7 2010, 09:16 AM) true, but what about logistics firm then, a special company card to give them subsidy?...all in all, it's a very ma fan system, it's better that government start looking at the bigger picture overall, employee's basic salary...you have to adjust it accordingly in order for people to survive and buy basic stuff. I remember a friend of mine gave me a small calculation regarding the pay of an average household and how they survive in M'sia....it's just that bad... logistics company are already using fleet card system for long long time already. what can gov do with salary if most of the people are working for the private sector? in fact if you actually go digging for a civil servant salary of a teacher you'll be suprised that it actually very good including benefits
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kai_rel
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Jan 7 2010, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jan 7 2010, 05:18 PM) roadtax is cheap now my friend.... the insurance is not..... 800+ ringgit yearly for 2500cc is not cheap. make it RM100 & i'll be happy. insurance? for me the sum is bearable. maybe going OT but change the insurance to follow the UK system. insurance is on the individual or driver not the vehicle.
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SUSmalaysiads
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Jan 7 2010, 05:24 PM
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New Member
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How they going to control this? Army base also they can't protect how the hell they going to make this thing works?
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