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SUSchokia
post May 23 2011, 08:30 PM

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  Waiting for no-need-to-wear-any-glass-to-watch-3DTV


OMG its already on sale (in Japan)


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Nissho starts selling 52-inch, glasses-free 3D TV with Full HD resolution in Japan

By Vlad Savov  posted May 23rd 2011 at 7:18AM

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Remember Dimenco? A four-man splinter group of former Philips employees, the company has been hard at work refining its glasses-free 3D display tech and today some of the earliest fruit of its labor is going on sale. Nissho Electronics in Japan is beginning sales of a 52-inch LCD panel that can pump out full 1080p of 3D vision without requiring any headgear from the viewer. Initially, this big lenticular display will target businesses, who'll be among the few to be able to afford the ¥1.7 million ($20,820) asking price. Other specs include a 2,000:1 contrast ratio, 8ms response time, 700 nits of brightness, and a 60Hz refresh rate. The 3D on this TV is actually described as a unique "2D + depth" implementation, which can also be used to convert 2D images in real time. Great, now take a zero out of that price, ship it westwards, and watch the sales really take off.


Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/23/nissho-...with-full-hd-r/
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post May 24 2011, 02:19 AM

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Initially, this big lenticular display will target businesses, who'll be among the few to be able to afford the ¥1.7 million ($20,820) asking price. Other specs include a 2,000:1 contrast ratio, 8ms response time, 700 nits of brightness, and a 60Hz refresh rate.
Auto-stereoscopic screens that are over 20" uses lenticular laminate. While it does give you depth, you can't really see fine detail. Case in point - the auto-stereo lenticular display at the Ground Floor of Low Yat. I've also seen another larger screen display that had the same problem.

I'd rather the FPR tech with passive glasses than this. At least with passive glasses, they can increase the 3D resolution to 1920x2160.


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post May 24 2011, 10:16 AM

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1920x1080 not enough for you?
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passive 3d cut the resolution in half smile.gif
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post May 24 2011, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ May 24 2011, 11:23 AM)
passive 3d cut the resolution in half smile.gif
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Incorrect use of a term. Lenticular screen achieves AUTOSTEREOSCOPIC 3D. Passive 3D still uses glasses that have either linear or circular polarized lenses.

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1920x1080 not enough for you?
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Wiki entry for Lenticular printing. Read it first to understand the concept.

For LCD displays using lenticular laminate, the laminate is arranged vertically in order for each eye to receive separate video information. Unlike Cinema 3D which cuts vertical resolution by half (1920 x 540), lenticular 3D cuts horizontal resolution by half. In effect, each eye will get 960 x 1080 video resolution per eye. What's important to note is that humans are more able to know there is a resolution loss when the loss is horizontal and not vertical.


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I wonder why they dare to call it FULL HD if what you get only half. Marketing?
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post May 26 2011, 10:11 AM

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2D you still get Full HD... just not in 3D mode... so... marketing wise it is still Full HD...

you market the product based on performance not weakness...

you see cars company advertise their car full engine horsepower and torque (Max HP / Max Torque) although most of us dont really use it smile.gif
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LG's LW5700 series is here. Just saw a 47" version. The price is RM6,700.

It works as advertised. You must sit at eye level and about six feet away to get the full 3D effect. Too close and you'll see the interlaced effect. Too off axis vertically and you'll see ghosting.

At eye level and six feet away, there is no ghosting which is an impressive feat. There is no flickering because both L+R video is shown at once. And the image is brighter than active 3D.

The only drawback - the horizontal resolution loss is a given - is the price. At RM6,700 that's a lot to ask for a 47"; in the US, you can get a 55" for US$2,000 and we're closer than Americans from Korea or China. The list price for the 55" is RM13,000, double the price of the 47". If you add another RM7,000 you can get a 1080p 3D passive projection system using two PT AE4000-Us and 3D-XLs.

The TV comes with 4 pairs of circular polarized glasses. If you buy one from LG, it'll cost RM30-40. If you buy from Ebay, it'll cost you RM75 for 10 pairs of RealD 3D glasses.


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may i ask lowyat got sell the real d glasses o not?and can let me know the price?
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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 24 2011, 02:19 AM)
Auto-stereoscopic screens that are over 20" uses lenticular laminate. While it does give you depth, you can't really see fine detail. Case in point - the auto-stereo lenticular display at the Ground Floor of Low Yat. I've also seen another larger screen display that had the same problem.

I'd rather the FPR tech with passive glasses than this. At least with passive glasses, they can increase the 3D resolution to 1920x2160.
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I will not buy 3DTV without glass if it same like Low Yat. Very lack of detail and it picture look staggering and ugly.
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post Jun 5 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 31 2011, 05:09 PM)
LG's LW5700 series is here. Just saw a 47" version. The price is RM6,700.

It works as advertised. You must sit at eye level and about six feet away to get the full 3D effect. Too close and you'll see the interlaced effect. Too off axis vertically and you'll see ghosting.

At eye level and six feet away, there is no ghosting which is an impressive feat. There is no flickering because both L+R video is shown at once. And the image is brighter than active 3D.

The only drawback - the horizontal resolution loss is a given - is the price. At RM6,700 that's a lot to ask for a 47"; in the US, you can get a 55" for US$2,000 and we're closer than Americans from Korea or China. The list price for the 55" is RM13,000, double the price of the 47". If you add another RM7,000 you can get a 1080p 3D passive projection system using two PT AE4000-Us and 3D-XLs.

The TV comes with 4 pairs of circular polarized glasses. If you buy one from LG, it'll cost RM30-40. If you buy from Ebay, it'll cost you RM75 for 10 pairs of RealD 3D glasses.
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thanks for info, im looking for 47"... cinema 3D with passive glass is more suitable for children right...
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 5 2011, 11:44 PM)
thanks for info, im looking for 47"... cinema 3D with passive glass is more suitable for children right...
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If by that you mean when the children break the glasses, you won't cry to pieces, then yes.

Hopefully circular passive 3DTV would sell so well that GSC and TGV would actually start using RealD 3D instead of Dolby 3D.


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post Jun 6 2011, 03:42 AM

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remember i read somewhere active shutter glass affect their eye health..
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 6 2011, 03:42 AM)
remember i read somewhere active shutter glass affect their eye health..
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I read that. Nonsense, really. Kids do other things beside watching TV, like play and read and going to school. Even just going from the living room to their bedroom requires spatial analysis with their bare eyes.

What 3D does is it enables the brain to adjust to a different kind of space. It synthesizes new space so that more spatial analysis can be done. The warning on the article applies to all 3D, and not just active shutter glasses.


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I know this is a stupid question to ask, but just want to prove some theory.

Nowadays there is a lots of 3D LED/LCD around, you need 3D glasses to watch 3D movie, that if, in situation where the movie is in 3D, (player.....i don't know, but i guess most of the Blue Ray players can play 3D movie). What if watching normal TV program, like TV3, NTV7.... Those 3D LED/LCD will goes back to normal mode right ? Or...for example, watching Astro.
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QUOTE(MakaiKnight @ Jun 7 2011, 12:15 PM)
I know this is a stupid question to ask, but just want to prove some theory.

Nowadays there is a lots of 3D LED/LCD around, you need 3D glasses to watch 3D movie, that if, in situation where the movie is in 3D, (player.....i don't know, but i guess most of the Blue Ray players can play 3D movie). What if watching normal TV program, like TV3, NTV7.... Those 3D LED/LCD will goes back to normal mode right ? Or...for example, watching Astro.
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The active LCD glasses won't get activated because the TV recognizes the signal is regular video. At which point, you should turn off the glasses and take it off.


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I am currently using a Panasonic Plasma TV (1024 × 768), and am looking at buying a 3D TV in Full HD.

I find this LG 42LW5700 quite interesting.
But after I read this article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20028916-1.html I am now a little worrying and uncertain whether to get this LG Passive 3D or go for other Active 3D type?

I want to buy a Full HD 3D TV, does Panasonic offer any Plasma Full HD 3D TV? What is the price for 42" or maybe 50"?
Is LED Full HD 3D TV any good?

I saw LG offer their Plasma 3D TV at good price, but those at 1024 × 768 resolution. sad.gif
Is there big different if I insist on Full HD display?

I am totally open to either active or passive 3D type, I really need your sharing of experience and advise. smile.gif


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post Jun 10 2011, 03:51 PM

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err... 1024x768 is not 720p leh....

720p is 1280×720
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post Jun 10 2011, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jun 10 2011, 03:51 PM)
err... 1024x768 is not 720p leh....

720p is 1280×720
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Well, reality gonna hurts...

for plasma TV, most HD ready uses panel size of 1024X768, which is not a native 16/9 ratio. For some people, they can notice that their tv images is a bit strecth up/down depending on the source. All LG n Pana HD ready plasma uses this resolution. Samsung uses this resolution for only their 42/43" display. Their 50/51 display use the proper 16/9 ratio, so the resolution is 1366 X 768.

For HD ready LCD, all uses 1366 X 768 resolution.

Another reason why I only buy HD ready plasma from samsung at 51" size...

For 3D, the choice is only plasma. U wont go wrong with any 2011 plasma 3DTV. Best is Pana.

For some guide and impression.. can look here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1825421

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I'm using 2011 LG 3D plasma and super happy with it... reason being the 3D spec uses 2.4ghz RF insted of IR and I can walk to kitchen without losing sync with my tv awesome the spec also cheap at RM150++

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