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post Dec 13 2010, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(edministrator @ Dec 12 2010, 10:47 PM)
yes i am bro. 24/7 download machine! mostly dl HD files laugh.gif
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Opps,nice to hear that. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(emy_xvidia @ Dec 13 2010, 08:29 PM)
HD files? then can those files be played on d same pc?  tongue.gif
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He has a better machine for HD movies. brows.gif
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post Dec 15 2010, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Rudd @ Dec 13 2010, 11:37 PM)
thanks.
any idea what the suitable graphic card i can use for this Intel D865GBF?
its AGP.
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Any AGP cards will suit your mobo. You can get HD3850 if are looking for a high end one.

QUOTE(edministrator @ Dec 14 2010, 10:47 PM)
720p no problem smooth as butter. 1080 then  doh.gif
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@edmin,1080p movies you can use your another machine to playback. It's not nice to watch on small screen right?
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post Dec 17 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 16 2010, 06:25 PM)
Very hard to find one now... so sad, lat time I had one...kanchong, kanchong go & sell ony  cry.gif
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Which AGP card you had before this?

QUOTE(edministrator @ Dec 16 2010, 11:48 PM)
720p can run fine on P4m 2.0Ghz with 512MB ram with normal Radeon 7500 GPU that does not have any HD hardware acceleration (even if you have nvidia 7600GT AGP also no hardware HD acceleration). If lag, i think is your pc resources issues, such as background programs, etc that hogs certain % of your CPU.
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Are you with Haali codec on board?
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post Dec 19 2010, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(edministrator @ Dec 17 2010, 11:59 PM)
using klite codec pack. if using coreavc, results are better  brows.gif
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coreavc....How much is the cpu utilization with it?

QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 19 2010, 03:00 AM)
Radeon 3850 bro. Had one before, then sold it...

Now I have a 6800GS only. Also have a 4600Ti, Geforce 3 Ti200 and Radeon 8500.  About a dozen other non-interesting cards also, like FX5200, 6200, etc.

Also wanna update, changed my cooler to a CM N620, with custom bracket, and stable at 3.95Ghz so far.  Going for 4 ghz, maybe more if I can  brows.gif
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Updated,mind to share some screen shoot with us? notworthy.gif
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post Dec 19 2010, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 19 2010, 11:30 AM)
Updated: 4ghz
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Updated your list. notworthy.gif 4GHz on it,what is the FSB and DRAM ratio you have? 5:4 ratio ?Full load temperature with your new heatsink?
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post Dec 20 2010, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 20 2010, 09:10 AM)
Thanks bro. FSB at 1066mhz, ram at 177mhz CL2.5 - cause my rams are just generic stuff.  Temps even with the new cooler are low 70s during intelburn test. My test room is not air con'ed- ambient temps are high- so that's a big minus point.  The whole case gets blazing hot until even the panels feel like the side of an oven.  You can actually start sweating sitting around this system.  Stability is of course best early in the morning  tongue.gif

Stability tests completed at 4ghz- intel burn test 10 loops maximum stress, superpi 32m, unigine cathedral, prime 95 2 hrs and 1/2 hr of NFS:MW.  No 24 hr prime test- I just don't believe in 24 hr priming anymore, the stress it places on system components is lethal and I prefer more real world tests. High power draw of the prescotts at 4ghz will burn out mosfets eventually.

Now that I've hit 4ghz, I'm gonna lower it to something "sane" for 24/7 use - maybe 3.6ghz .  I kinda like my retro P4 so I want it to last just a bit longer.  wub.gif
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rclxms.gif 4GHz stable at all the stress test you applied. 3.6GHz is somehow good enough for daily use. I'm with 3.6GHz for daily use too!
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post Dec 20 2010, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(KahLooN @ Dec 20 2010, 10:48 AM)
Long time no drop by this thread. Seems is till very active.

@SGT76
Maybe you can include all the parameter such as ram timing, voltage etc. Just my suggestions. nod.gif
Running at 4GHz is superb, but too much of heat generated is another issue. A 3.6GHz would be sweet enough to run daily works.
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Bro, perhaps is time for you to go further than 3.6GHz. brows.gif
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My Northwood is hardly to get stable at 3.7GHz with 1:1 ratio with 4 sticks of RAM. Best case is to run on 226MHz or 227MHz on fsb.

QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 20 2010, 11:08 AM)
It has been a while since a P4 user uploaded his 4Ghz clocks biggrin.gif
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shinjite,is your P4 ES still on service?

QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 20 2010, 02:00 PM)
Running at 4ghz is scary- the system feels like it's on a thin edge. The air exhausted out the back fan and psu is like a building exhaust vent.  Case side panels hot. Northbridge heatsink WILL burn fingers real fast, vcore fluctuates due to droop. 

Parameters are:
ram timings: 2.5-3-3-7 @ 177mhz dual channel
voltage set in bios to 1.385v, but due to vdroop it fluctuates wildly.  Setting it higher than this pushes temps way too high.
pci/agp/sata all locked at 33/66/100
super patch and all auto enhancements off

hardware is:
Processor: Prescott 3.0 E0 stepping
Motherboard: DFI 865PE-AL
Ram: 1 stick Kingmax 512mb DDR400 and 1 stick Kingston 512mb DDR333  doh.gif (either it shows how ghetto my rig is or that you don't need high performance rams)  <-- anyway I'm looking for a set of better rams
CPU cooler: Coolermaster Hyper N620, with modified Deepcool s478 mounting, 2 x12CM fans
Thermal past: Zalman
Graphics: Nvidia 6800GS, Palit oc'ed version, further pushed to 470/1300--> faster than a 6800 Ultra
Hard disk: 2 x 40gb (1 maxtor, 1 Hitachi)
Optical drive: Sony CD/ DVD combo
Floppy: Sony 1.44"
Sound card: SB Live ! CT4830 with EMU chip (on-board sound doesn't like oc- becomes flaky)
Case: Coolermaster Elite, forgot which model- 3 x 12cm CM fans
PSU: Tagan 480w
Others: CM Musketeer with bling bling meter

Future plans: get some better rams - Kingston Hyper-X or similar, more modern video card- Radeon 2600, 4650 or 3850, add more fans - maybe 2 in the rear in sequence to extract hot air faster, heatsinks on mosfets, southbridge, ram cooler.
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Your Prescott is very much better in terms of pushing to high frequency compare to Northwood core. 90nm vs. 130nm architecture. wink.gif
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post Dec 20 2010, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 20 2010, 05:50 PM)
3.6ghz on Northwood is very impressive.  Before this I was using 2.8b, max stable oc only 3.36ghz. Clock-4-clock, Northie is 10% faster than presscott I think, so your 3.6ghz should be about a 4ghz pressie.
Ya, ya 3:2... my matematik very phail one  icon_question.gif thanks!
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Mine is C version, C version is having a better overclocking than A & B version. I don't think Northwood is performing better in clock to clock performance,it should be the same as they are from P4 family. smile.gif
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post Dec 20 2010, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 20 2010, 06:15 PM)
C Northie is the best P4 bro. Northwood only 21 stage pipeline, prescott is 30 stage.  Make many many extra rounds in the silicon, then only the superpi come out.

Very inspired lah joining this thread.  I think today I go back I'm gonna tweak my system some more and try to get that 4ghz 24/7 stable.
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4GHz fro daily use, drool.gif . I think it would be amazing if you are able to run at 4GHz all the time. Hmm..pipeline stages..

QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 20 2010, 06:16 PM)
Prescott has a longer pipeline compared to the Northwoods
So clock per clock at stock, the Northwood is able to beat the Prescott

But due to smaller dye for the Prescott, it can scale higher than Northwood in terms of overclocking to compensate on the longer pipelines
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bro shinjite,you agree that Northwood core beats Prescott in clock to clock performance? I think that kind of perfomance is not significant. hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Dec 21 2010, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 21 2010, 01:13 AM)
Clock to clock it definitely beats the Prescott in stock form, that is a fact after all but not when the Prescott is overclocked
With the help of a larger 1MB cache couple up with high overclocking ability (0.09 micron), the longer 31 stages of pipelines is easily being compensated

About significance....for a P4, a 400Mhz bump in clockspeed, the gain is so negligible that one can say it is close to non-existence (which for me is true, just nice to see high clockspeeds biggrin.gif)
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400MHz boost in clockspeed for P4 today is negligible almost but i believe it still does help a little in term of speed/performance. You're right, it's nice to see high clock speed.
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post Dec 21 2010, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 21 2010, 01:20 PM)
It does help in speed/performance in applications, just that it is negligible even though with HT on. However in Windows, it is close to non-existence. If it is snappy, it will be snappy.
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No choice for me now but try to boost the proc at higher clocks for daily use only. I know the comment from you meant as the newer technology cual core or better has actually boost miles of performance in apllications and speed. smile.gif
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post Dec 23 2010, 10:24 AM

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@SGT76,nice screen shots from you. They're informative.

QUOTE(edministrator @ Dec 22 2010, 09:58 AM)
the Gflops in intelburntest for the P4 is 4Gflops from the screenshot. My X3220 oc'ed to 3.3Ghz is 44Gflops...
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shocking.gif some much of difference in Gflops...I will try to benchmark my proclater,i guess would be near to the performance of 4Gflops. tongue.gif
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post Dec 30 2010, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 23 2010, 01:15 PM)
Thanks bro. Learned a lot from Lowyat from reading all the posts, now I'm just giving back by sharing some info.

Getting this to a stable 4ghz for practical 24/7 usage was the most challenging project I've ever undertaken- had to add heatsinks on all the mosfets, modify the custom mount a bit more, tweak the volts, remove unneccesary hardware (4ghz prescott is a power hog- Tagan 480w is almost not enough for it!!!), bios tweaks, carefully route all cables and wires and ensure optimum airflow.
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blink.gif Your power supply is not going to have enough juice to supply your whole system? sweat.gif What's the frequency you are with at the normal usage?
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post Jan 9 2011, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(SGT76 @ Dec 30 2010, 10:47 PM)

Added on December 30, 2010, 10:48 pm

Running 4ghz all the way 24/7, no cranking down. I was surprised too at the power usage.  This PSU has served me well in the past on my old Athlon 7750BE system (overclocked 3.16Ghz) with 8800GT, 3 hard disks, 1 DVD burner + 2 120cm fans. 

But it's marginal for this system.  I have stripped this rig down to the basics- 1 hd, 1 cd/ dvd drive, 3 120cm fans, 6800GS card, SB Live! sound card.
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6800GS is not going to consume as much power as 6800GT as i know. Processor could draw up to 120W which is slightly more than the rated TDP value when over in high frequency.

QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Jan 9 2011, 01:10 AM)
my system is pentium4 3.0E Ghz, currently my best o/c is 3.6Ghz only (15x240Mhz) on AI7 mobo with 2 GB Gskill PC4000.want to go to 4Ghz, i think maybe it is my psu limiting me to go further.my psu is rated true power at 450W, must be my GC taking drawing alot of power, it's a HD4650.What you guys think?
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What is your temp of proc. and mobo ? AI7 mosfet area is hot when in operating mode.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 9 2011, 11:01 AM)
Not only the mofsets being hot
The Abit mobos are plagued by the infamous Vcore flunctuation as well
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Agree,my mobo is seeing some fluctuations too!


Added on January 9, 2011, 6:29 pm
QUOTE(edministrator @ Dec 22 2010, 09:58 AM)
the Gflops in intelburntest for the P4 is 4Gflops from the screenshot. My X3220 oc'ed to 3.3Ghz is 44Gflops...
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Just tested with Intel Burn Test, manage to get 4.6Gflops on my 3.6GHz clock.
Yesterday tried with Hot Pursuit, my proc and GC are unpresentable. sad.gif 4.6Gflops vs 44Gflops . wink.gif

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post Jan 11 2011, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Jan 10 2011, 06:30 PM)
yeah i know that. last time my pwm temp can shoot up to 90 deg cels bcoz no proper exhaust fans but now my pwm temp reads around 53~58 lor.i did slap some mosfet heatsink onto it and improve the exhaust fans by using 80mm panaflo fans.as for my proc temp is around 52-56deg cels.so i dun think it is my proc temp either.im using CM hyper6 for the HSF.i did noticed the vcore fluctuate a lot. (between 1.36~1.39).
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Your fluctuation is considering minimal one, mine one could even fluctuate more than yours.
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post Jan 11 2011, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Jan 11 2011, 04:46 PM)
you also using ai7 mobo? maybe it is ur mosfet overheating. once that happens the efficiency of the voltage supplied will drop seriously.
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I used to have an AI7 mobo. No doubt it's a good mobo but the only draw back on the mobo is on their msfet. Voltage supply i can't remember clearly. The mobo can o/c as good as my IC7-G.
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post Jan 13 2011, 09:43 AM

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@dlwl ,what about it's reliability? I'm worry with its' reliability.
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post Jan 13 2011, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 13 2011, 08:37 PM)
i got 5 F3's in my rig, no problem at all for reliability and the temp is lower than WD Green.
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Maybe i can consider 1 unit of F3 as my storage later. Temperature is also lower than WD Green which is good for enviromental.
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post Jan 17 2011, 09:39 AM

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SSD on old skool rig,any one? wink.gif

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