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jiidaineko
post Feb 3 2010, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 2 2010, 11:26 AM)
Of which pretty much defeats the multi orientation capabilities of the device already. Besides, ever thought of what happens when you need to fit more than 1 person into a video chat session on a screen with portrait orientation? squeeze squeeze squeeze (on the human side)
tried using the iPod nano with the camera? Sure, nobody would want to block the lens on purpose, but the form factor does cause this to happen a lot by accident to the point that it gets annoying.
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if a mobile phone's video call works just fine...why cant this? just make it permanent portrait mode since it is the best option. they are things that dont need multi orientation..imagine what the person on the other end will see if u keep flipping around.
about blocking the lens...if u are holding the sides and the camera is on top, how do u block it?

QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 2 2010, 07:26 PM)
1024 x 768 is XGA, ratio 4:3 ( i think you know that)
so if you gonna play HD (16:9) video, there is definitely black bar at top and bottom
some movies (quite alot) are in 21:9; so that's the full screen you cant get, without missing the content at both end.
if there are iMax then i would be different case
H.264 codec is more important here.
that's why movie are so great in iPad and ipods/iphone.
you still don't understand the meant of mobile os performance. OpenGL is never big deal now for computer OS, but it's quite for mobile OS.
to start things of, picking 4:3 ratio as display is not a wise choice as you have said, most movies are 16:9 and some 21:9

i know h264 is quite common today but what puzzles me is the mpeg4 playback at only 640x480. bear in mind here that from the beginning, im not trying to point out picture quality. instead, im talking about the processing limitation of the A4 which is something for us to ponder at.

the bottom line is, you are still getting a mobile device performance on a not so mobile product. when you put the price into context as well and weigh it against available products, it is an even larger turn off.

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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 3 2010, 04:48 PM)
point me out 9.7" HD display (typical 16:9 or 21:9 display)
plus this device is not just going to serve the purpose of movie
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there are loads of netbook from hp, dell, lenovo etc with 16:9 display...too many models to point out
it isnt but it is suppose to be ONE of the selling point, as claimed by steve

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post Feb 4 2010, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 3 2010, 05:18 PM)
Seriously I have yet discover any 10 inch ips panel
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Seriously you keep changing topic. we were talking about display ratio not panel type~
how many of us actually needs a 10inch ips panel anyway?

QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 3 2010, 05:20 PM)
dude want to watch movie get a LCD tv just RM1299!!!
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QUOTE(Edoras @ Feb 3 2010, 06:04 PM)
Viewing movies on iPad is secondary, camera on the iPad is secondary, multitasking on iPad is secondary...
Sometimes, we tend to forget what iPad is originally meant for....
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please refer to the official ipad feature page (some of it are pretty lame i must say such as calendar). it clearly said MOVIE. if those listed there arent one of the selling point, why bother listing?
furthermore, those feature you claim it to be secondary only applies to you or other apple fanbois. to alot of us, we seek for those features.

QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 3 2010, 06:32 PM)
For me, its quite simple actually. My next notebook is gonna be a 17' MBP. hence the iPad is something that fits nicely in my backpack in addition to the 17' MBP for the times when I don't feel like hauling out that 17' piece of equipment, and when I need something bigger than the phone screen.
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now you see why netbook sells as well? you are clearly an apple fan so you considering an ipad is kinda natural.

QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 3 2010, 06:33 PM)
- try squeezing in more than 2 ppl into a portrait view webcam and see for yourself.
- you've obviously never really observed ppl when they're relaxing and holding a book, some sort of device or they can look at while lepaking on the couch or anything like that. Hand positions on the device being held tends to go all over the place as they shift to make themselves comfortable or to alleviate that numb butt.
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1. that is why most built-in and external webcam is on the landscape view.
2. it is that hard to not cover tat tiny lens area with such a huge bezel area to hold on? anyway, a book folds but not the ipad. not a good comparison to make.

QUOTE(jphlau @ Feb 4 2010, 09:00 AM)
First, there is no evidence that reading on a backlit screen is bad for your eyes. Every study ever conducted has concluded that reading on a screen is no different, healthwise, than reading from paper. That's not to say that some people don't find reading for long periods on a screen tiring, or that an eInk screen is not 'better' for reading the kind of books they are designed to display. Those books are novels and other largely linear text-based works. For these books, devices like the Kindle are great.
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kindle is a dedicated ebook reader and it is a fact that eink is easier to the eye. so in terms of ebook, ipad will nvr be better than kindle or any other dedicated ebook reader.

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post Feb 4 2010, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(jphlau @ Feb 4 2010, 10:10 AM)
It is because ipad is so much more than kindle. I can see that illustrated books will be a vastly bigger and more profitable market for publishers than even bestselling fiction. And I used one example of granny reading a (printed) book to a young child. We're all familiar with the scenario of an adult reading to a child and getting the kid to point to a picture ("can you see <insert character here>?"). Imagine the kid touching that character/illustration and the book bursting into full colour video action of that character doing something exciting. Kids will love it.

I can see the same thing with cookbooks. Optional how-to video of recipes in a Chef Wan book or something. And there are obviously many more possibilities. Whether it ever happens is down to the publishers of course.
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i must agree with you that this is a good idea but not exclusively capable only on the ipad. we'll see how deals like this go around.

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post Feb 4 2010, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Feb 4 2010, 10:15 AM)
and i have used netbooks, and for me, it is crap. i can barely type on in (when trying to use as laptops) due to its tiny keyboard
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while typing discomfort is something subjective on a netbook, an ipad's virtual keyboard wont be any larger considering they have to fit the keyboard plus whatever you are typing to, on a <10" screen

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post Feb 4 2010, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 4 2010, 11:08 AM)
erm.. there is no HD panel under 10"

minimum hd panel 11.3"
as acer ferrari one
urm please, we are talking about 16:9 ratio for movies, not HD reso.
also, there are even 10.1" display with 1336x768 display mind you. one model i can pull from the top of head is dell inspiron mini 10

QUOTE(lin00b @ Feb 4 2010, 11:13 AM)
agreed. any serious typing on ipad ought to be done using an external bluetooth keyboard (oh how i wish they have usb) while putting the ipad on a stand. virtual keyboard only for light note taking or editing

sure i could do the same for a netbook, but then whats the point of having that keyboard portion that ends up messing up with balance and center of gravity while on the go?

also virtual keyboard can be useful in certain situation such as numerical data entry for example or as a fancy scientific graphing calculator. lets see the netbook do that efficiently.
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on the go as in? because with tablet-style, there is no way for you to type/stylus without resting it on a flat surface for proper support as well. on the side note, maybe you are not aware of the existent of tablet netbooks.

QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 4 2010, 11:17 AM)
all you talks about is e-ink tech

well, i think apple tend to wanna use/switching to IPS panel now

all imac, cinema display, one by one all switching to IPS
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but the point here is, do we all need ips?


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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 4 2010, 11:17 AM)
speaking of content quality, are you really in HD world?
will you only watch/download HD (720p lowest) video only
(well, i'm this typical person, my movie are 4/6/8/10GB; cuz right now, if watch from distance, DVD quality will make me sleepy)
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while you are not, i am. i like everything clear. heck i even subscribe for astro hd. well that is for me. moving forward, most of our stuff will be in 16:9 simply because almost all our present day displays are in it 'cept for the few stray ones whistling.gif

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post Feb 4 2010, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 4 2010, 11:59 AM)
ok, seem i  miss that out, but i still dont understand, why it must be 16:9 panel?
should be the same thing you been asking, do we need IPS? let find out
for iPad i not so sure, but others, YES IPS panel please
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because we are in HD era where contents are going to be 720p or 1080p. while a number of netbooks arent at least 720p, it is still using the same 16:9 ratio display. everything from movies to games to tv broadcast, even youtube videos are using that ratio. dont compare this against IPS.

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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 4 2010, 01:25 PM)
which is why trying to cram a full Desktop OS just like that onto a touchscreen only device is a bad idea. the entire UI needs to be revamped for use on a touchscreen. which is also the main reason why the full OS X is not dumped into the tablet despite it being proven that it can run on a nokia phone.
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after reading an article online, i do agree with the author that a good tablet OS should strike a balance between desktop OS and mobile OS. sadly nobody seems to be doing it right, yet. looking forward to chrome os and msoft courier to see how it performs.

QUOTE(lin00b @ Feb 4 2010, 01:31 PM)
on the go, inputting while mostly mobile.

think of supermarket stockist. right now, they are either checking stock by paper scraps or pushing big trolley with desktop/laptop with barcode scanner. replace desktop/laptop with ipad (with barcode scanner extension)

or doctors calling up patient medical history, then recording medicine into server

or engineers/technicians entering technical output of large plants

most of this is done using paper scraps currently. ipad has the potential to change this into electronic medium - there is an app for that, lol

if you see the demos, inputting data is done using only 4 fingers or your forearm as support comfortably. netbooks cant do that. the ergonomics is not there.

tablets might, but compared to tablets, ipad wins on cost and weight; and also a more touch inspired OS.

also tablets/netbooks have another disadvantage, mechanical hinges and plastics generally mean its less robust. open vents and fans means dust accumulation. ipad has no mechanical parts except 2-3 buttons. with some 3rd party dock-stopper means no place for dust to get into. aluminium case means you can be rather rough to it.
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yea like you have mentioned, it is useful for those purpose but if you do realize, it is a very niche thing. other tablets are capable of doing it as well too, but i disagree with the cost and weight part. where did you get the info that it will be the cheapest and lightest tablet? have no idea how it wins in this category since there isnt much complete data of ipad's competitor.

QUOTE(Edoras @ Feb 4 2010, 01:50 PM)
Secondary features doesn't mean you can't list the features.
Decision is quite easy... this iPad specs might not suit you but to other people (Apple fanbois included).. it suits them well.
If you want to have the specs and features of your dream tablet from Apple, I guess you have to wait much longer.
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while u think it is secondary, there are ppl who seriously wants to view movies on it. dont assume on their behalf.
ironically, i noticed that most ppl who actually wants to buy an ipad are ppl who already owns an apple product.

QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 4 2010, 05:17 PM)
yes it does say MOVIE!!! you can watch movie on it... so it must be WIDE SCREEN and HD meh.... c'mon.. even if they manage to give you HD so... the screen is small for you to see... by the way 1024 by 768 is considered HD 720P also yes it is not WIDE screen... because it was not design to be a wide screen tablet it is design to be a all rounder tablet... I believe the screen size is just nice for one to hold at vertical and horizontal view... simple as that...

some of you may complaint that the 30pin connector port suc it should be USB... WHY???? USB??? so you can plug in erm.. External Drive... USB Fan... erm... I dont know Keyboard and mouse smile.gif
hello... Apple approach if you haven't use iPhone is WIRELESS.....
This is an AWESOME wireless device and most of the stuff apple did is streaming.. want see movie stream it from your Harddisk I did that on my 3Gs... want to get some File extract it from the computer... simple... it is AWESOME what Wifi and Bluetooth can replace... Bluetooth can connect to keyboard and mouse (if you want a mouse laa) it does support just need some one to write the software... get a SDK of OS3
hahaha

seriously... when I use my notebook I only use my USB for Harddrive and nope nothing else.. sometime is my external speaker lor...

so is USB that important??? apple prove it with the macbook air that usb is not quite really important..
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yes 16:9 is common video standards now a days. no 1024x768 is not 720p. what do u mean by ipad design is nice to hold? do other 16:9 display comes in triangle or circle? it is still rectangle yo~

yea have fun transferring 8gb+ of data via wireless method. speaking of that, the 1st time when someone told me tat a user have to actually pay for bluetooth data transfer capability on an iphone, i lol'ed hard.
QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 4 2010, 10:54 PM)

Added on February 4, 2010, 11:04 pm
ya we are in HD era, but it doesn't mean xga can't play HD content.
As long as It can play, then it's gonna be fine. (with slight black bar at top and bottom, that's all)
4:3 is chosen maybe becuase of iPhone os

HD screeen for ebook? Will be weird, doesn't it?
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screen already limited space, summore have black bars wanna block. and the black bar isnt thin. try watching a 16:9 on a 4:3 tv/monitor again.

QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Feb 4 2010, 11:28 PM)
what's so annoying about black bars when watching movies eh? those stuff are very common what

if the ipad is using 16:9... then we'll get black bars in every app we download from the app store...since they were designed to fit iphone's screen.
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if you are an apple fan, yea it is not annoying at all. infact all of apple's product shortcoming is not annoying to u. i completely understand.

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QUOTE(cRazYee @ Feb 5 2010, 08:41 AM)
with extra 192/2=96pixel (at y axis) black bar extra
should be fine for 16:9 movie, but more obvious with 21:9 movie
plus the big bezel
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the black bar is about a quarter of the screen with already such a limited screen size. but if ppl can live with it, by all means go ahead.
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QUOTE(fyire @ Feb 5 2010, 09:25 AM)

Added on February 5, 2010, 9:34 am
a tablet is a device meant to be held with a single hand when one is on the go. Thus weight is indeed important.

out of curiosity, how many ppl do you think will wish to use a tablet primarily for the watching of movies? compare this to the number of ppl who will value a more portable form factor more?
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i didnt say weight isnt important. i was saying that while ipad is light enough, it is not the lightest, yet, since we dont have complete data of competing product.

if this is marketed as a lifestyle product, yea ppl will actually want to watch movie on it.

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