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post Dec 18 2009, 04:15 AM, updated 16y ago

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The Moon has the coldest place in the Solar System measured by a spacecraft.

Nasa's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has used its Diviner instrument to probe the insides of permanently shadowed craters on Earth's satellite.

It found mid-winter, night-time surface temperatures inside the coldest craters in the northern polar region can dip as low as minus 249C (26 Kelvin).

"The Moon has one of the most extreme thermal environments of any body in the Solar System," said Prof David Paige.

"During the middle of the day, temperatures can get up to about 400K (127C) at the equator; and at the poles at night, they can get very cold," the Diviner principal investigator at the University of California, Los Angeles, added.

Prof Paige has been describing his instrument's latest findings here at the American Geophysical Union's (AGU) Fall Meeting, the world's largest annual gathering of Earth scientists.

Diviner was part of the suite of instruments launched on LRO in June this year and has been operating continuously since it was switched on in July.

In October, the spacecraft found itself in the perfect position to witness summer solstice in the Moon's southern hemisphere and winter solstice in the northern hemisphere.

The Moon does have seasons - just about. The tilt of the lunar axis is 1.54 degrees. For most places, this makes no difference, but as Prof Paige explained, at the poles, this gives rise to a small, three-degree change in the elevation of the Sun on the horizon through the course of a year.
Artist's impression of LRO (Nasa)
LRO was launched in June

"This results in a significant variation in the extent of shadows and temperatures," he said.

Diviner observed the lowest summer temperatures in the darkest craters at the southern pole to be about 35K (-238C); but in the north, close to the winter solstice the instrument recorded a temperature of just 26K on the south-western edge of the floor of Hermite Crater.

There were also areas on the southern edges of the floors of Peary and Bosch Craters that got almost as cold.

Calculations suggest one would have to travel to a distance beyond the Kuiper Belt - well beyond the orbit of Neptune - to find objects with surfaces this cold.

"The way you can make something cold is to eliminate all possible other heat sources, and in these craters at the lunar poles they receive no direct sunlight and the coldest places don't even receive any indirect sunlight," Prof Paige said.

"In other words, only what little radiation may be scattered from some distant cliff gets down into these areas; and they just cool off. Finally, they reach an equilibrium temperature down at those low values."

The discovery adds further weight to the idea that some craters on the Moon could harbour water-ices for extended periods, and also more volatile substances that require even colder storage temperatures.


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So one of the coldest places in the solar system is actually so close by.

taking into account that absolute zero is 0 Kelvin, that is a pretty remarkable figure.
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post Dec 18 2009, 05:03 AM

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No need refrigerator & aircond there.
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post Dec 18 2009, 05:29 AM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Dec 18 2009, 04:15 AM)
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So one of the coldest places in the solar system is actually so close by.

taking into account that absolute zero is 0 Kelvin, that is a pretty remarkable figure.
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Well, to be pedantic, the coldest place in the Solar System is actually right here on Earth, in various labs. It's almost a miracle, that we have pretty close to the hottest, and the coldest places in the Universe today, side by side, a few miles from each other (relative to the distances between planets, and that's long before I even get to interstellar/intergalactic distances) right here on Earth, in various labs (we've reached nanoKelvins to create Bose-Einstein condensates using laser cooling, and about 100 million Kelvin in tokamaks for fusion reactors)

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post Dec 18 2009, 05:52 PM

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let's focus on nature and not bring human technology into this observation
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post Dec 18 2009, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Magick Cauldron @ Dec 18 2009, 06:32 PM)
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dont be silly! scientists are exploring the possibility of setting up stations in the shadowed valleys of craters, as they would be protected from direct sunlight. At the same time, frozen water is predicted to exist in these craters. Solar panels constructed at the peak of the valleys could provide continuous energy to the stations.
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post Dec 20 2009, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(Magick Cauldron @ Dec 18 2009, 06:32 PM)
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now, just because the based of one crater that is being shadowed from the sun is ~10 kelvins dont mean other place are the same.

and i certainly doubt this claim. the previous coldest place (pluto at around 20 kelvins) was not subject to the detailed measurements this crater is subjected to. who knows, one shadowed crater in pluto might reach 5 kelvins.
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post Dec 20 2009, 05:12 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Dec 20 2009, 03:44 AM)
now, just because the based of one crater that is being shadowed from the sun is ~10 kelvins dont mean other place are the same.

and i certainly doubt this claim. the previous coldest place (pluto at around 20 kelvins) was not subject to the detailed measurements this crater is subjected to. who knows, one shadowed crater in pluto might reach 5 kelvins.
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this research goes to show that practically all places in the solar system where the sun dont shine will reach that kind of temperature.
places without an atmosphere that traps heat, that is.

the only thing remarkable about this is the distance the moon is from the sun. which is relatively near.
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post Dec 20 2009, 11:07 AM

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so how the astronaut dpt jejak kaki ke bulan??
why they are not freezing??
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post Dec 20 2009, 12:29 PM

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good insulation, + they did not go to that specific place. they go to other place on the moon.

so to claim that it is the coldest (ie, no1) spot in the solar system is a bit of a half truth then
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post Dec 20 2009, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(rain_skywalker @ Dec 20 2009, 11:07 AM)
so how the astronaut dpt jejak kaki ke bulan??
why they are not freezing??
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the same reason why you're only seeing the same part of the moon every night(or so)
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post Dec 20 2009, 06:57 PM

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I find it hard to believe that they can so openly say that it is one of the coldest places in the solar system.

The moon has been explored more times than any other celestial body in the solar system besides earth. So wouldnt it be very likely that, since they only just now discovered the coldest place on the moon that they would find colder places on other celestial bodies too? And other celestial bodies being further away from the sun, would'nt the chances of others being colder than the moon more likely?
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Well, theoretically, the coldest temperature would be -273celcius, which is equal to 0 Kelvin. All atoms stop vibrating at this temperature. So nothing can get colder than this.
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post Dec 20 2009, 08:08 PM

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the u.s never land on the moon.its a conspiracy.try google up "moon hoax"
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post Dec 20 2009, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(emeharld @ Dec 20 2009, 08:08 PM)
the u.s never land on the moon.its a conspiracy.try google up "moon hoax"
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Says who? The "moon hoax" is actually a hoax itself. It has already been debunked. You obviously did not Google enough.
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post Dec 21 2009, 03:47 AM

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haha u guys need to be reading more carefully in a place called phD School

it says there that that area in the moon is the coldest in the solar system, MEASURED BY A SPACECRAFT. given the miserable extent to which humans have been gathering data about the solar system, this is where we are presently.

but saying that it is one of the coldest places in the solar system in itself is not far from the truth, again taking into consideration that absolute zero is 0K. merely 26K away.
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QUOTE(rain_skywalker @ Dec 20 2009, 11:07 AM)
so how the astronaut dpt jejak kaki ke bulan??
why they are not freezing??
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Besides good insulation provided by the space suit, not all places on the moon is having such extreme temperature.

Chances that with such temperature at its peak, the whole median temperature on the moon would be too hostile for human to settle on, unless they have some super advance tech in building a temperature and radiation resistance space outpost or if they go underground there.

 

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