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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Stoke 1-1 Liverpool- CURSED!

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post Jan 15 2010, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(-nana- @ Jan 15 2010, 01:50 PM)
i feel aquilani performance so far is a little too controlled..i blv it is rafa's instructions.. hence u c him playing simple passes n mostly non threathening. from what i've seen,i personally think he is a very technical player .. he loves to attack n not sit on the midfield area to spray passes around..u can c him always moving forward when he pass a ball in the final 3rd of the oppenent half n sometimes he just sits back too deep with lucas..n there is no support for ger tor n our wings.. i wish i'm at melwood nw..i'm really very interested to see whats actually going wrong with the team after finishing so close to manu last season..its definately a huge motivation to go on n win this season..plus its a world cup season n players would want to have lots of playing time n finding their touch n form come this june..

right now..the injuries to 3 of our top scorers is a huge blow..huge one..n maybe its time to push aqua up the pitch n give him more freedom against stoke. i still think once he get used too to the quick play in bpl he can b a good signing, u can c he is pressured by the huge price tag on his head n the crap performance of liverpool fc this season so far, he get close down much much quicker n give less time on the ball as he would have gotten in italy... btw i think rafa is too tight on his players.. take babel for example..he was quite good in his first season n everyone started to blv he could go on n be one of the better players in the league but right now..his first touch is way worst than before n he look out of sorts n low in confidence.i dont blame him..cuz i blv the person at fault is rafa.i think the babel kind of player would love more freedom on what he does on the pitch.. look at his goal against lyon..it proves he has much much potential.

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My opinion and observation, Rafa like to play "control" or "possession" football, in fact in most matches, Liverpool is the one having more possession of the ball (be it the match is loss or win), but the possession has no serious threat to opponent one, ie. passing around midfield and defender only, while have no clue what to do with the ball.

Also a lot of time, counter attack being held up due to holding midfield want to 'hold' up the ball instead quickly spraying passes to upfront.

Babel is not good in dribbling, get pass defender and crossing, but he can be good if playing those kind of midfield pump a thru pass beyond defender and then he chase and shoot towards goal. His style is not suit to be a winger. My view only.

I also believe there is too many instruction being given by manager as well which prevent players to express freely and playing with their ability and creativity. As a lot of time, we keep on seeing Rafa at touchline, give instruction to player to close down, to overlap, hand signal what to do etc. This should be done after the match analysis time, not when the match is going on.

Just like a factory manager, you just give instruction how to do to your operators to produce a product, then you just let them work on their own. Not the like watching every minute and give instruction when they are in betweeb carrying out the task time.


Added on January 15, 2010, 2:30 pm
QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 15 2010, 02:23 PM)
so how many of you all here criticized rafa's rotation policy?
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like u said...last season, rafa hardly rotated...he tried to give a final push in an attempt to land the league.
what this has done is obviously resulting in the players playing just too many matches, especially with some involved in the confederations cup and world cup qualifying.
torres back then during the end season also mentioned about fear of burning out.
and of cos dont forget the team's travel to asia.

and the results of all this over-playing can now be seen in the injuries the team are getting.

so are all those naysayer's now wishing rafa went back to rotation?
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Without rotation, Liverpool nearly win the league last year.

Current issue is not about rotation or not, it is about manager and players trust, determination and spirit problem. Last year, there were a handful of matches without Torres and/or Gerrard, Liverpool still can put up good performance in between, but it is not the case at the moment which need to rely luck to win a few matches.

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post Jan 15 2010, 02:42 PM

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Guus Hiddink closes in on embattled Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez as former Chelsea coach admits he would jump at Kop job

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0cf1sHfUB


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post Jan 15 2010, 02:43 PM

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King Kenny is doing WELL with the youngsters, but on paper, I rather have Hiddink over Mourinho / any other managers.


Call me superstitious, but Rafa beat the crap out of Red Nose, Mourinho, and other managers but NEVER won against Hiddink.

Or I'm wrong. But I'll take Hiddink any day over others.

That is, if Rafa IS going.

Still, I'm going to support Rafa to the VERY END. Until the day he stopped being the boss, that's the day I will stop supporting Rafa.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 15 2010, 02:25 PM)



Added on January 15, 2010, 2:30 pm

Without rotation, Liverpool nearly win the league last year.

Current issue is not about rotation or not, it is about manager and players trust, determination and spirit problem. Last year, there were a handful of matches without Torres and/or Gerrard, Liverpool still can put up good performance in between, but it is not the case at the moment which need to rely luck to win a few matches.
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ever experienced burn out?
when u play too many games etc, that u just lose motivation cos too tired.
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post Jan 15 2010, 02:50 PM

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Benitez debate: Liverpool icons on whether Rafa should go

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0cf3q3qhr

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 15 2010, 02:50 PM)
Benitez debate: Liverpool icons on whether Rafa should go

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0cf3q3qhr
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 15 2010, 02:47 PM)
ever experienced burn out?
when u play too many games etc, that u just lose motivation cos too tired.
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Yes, it can burn out. But my previous post is to say this is not the problem that Liverpool having now.

At start of season, already start to leak goal everywhere and losing matches already. So can't be burn out at start of season. While lately, the problem compounded.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 15 2010, 02:51 PM)
is the daily mail your new sun? tongue.gif
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I always read daily mail. More reliable compared to others. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 15 2010, 02:51 PM)
Yes, it can burn out. But my previous post is to say this is not the problem that Liverpool having now.

At start of season, already start to leak goal everywhere and losing matches already. So can't be burn out at start of season. While lately, the problem compounded.
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read my previous post very carefully.

season before the team played lots of games with some say with hardly any rotation.
plus CL games, plus confed cup, plus world cup qualifying, plus asia tour...basically no rest all at...carry all that into the current season...and what do u get?

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for me, rather than we offload under perform players it is better to change the manager first... i noticed that most good players come to Liverpool became worse under Rafa (i also noticed the other way too). There are lot of talented players in LFC, but they just clueless in the pitch. They might be a valueble asset if transfer to other club. Since our budget is limited, i still believe we have enough good players in LFC to win every match. My vote goes to manager's head... it is better we ended up not in top-4 without Rafa... still feel satisfied cool2.gif

Babel
Keane
Morientes
Kewell
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 15 2010, 02:53 PM)
read my previous post very carefully.

season before the team played lots of games with some say with hardly any rotation.
plus CL games, plus confed cup, plus world cup qualifying, plus asia tour...basically no rest all at...carry all that into the current season...and what do u get?
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No doubt burn out could be another factor, but from body language of players suggested is more like or major issue is about no determination, losing trust on manager, no spirit to fight etc. which more on the "soft-side" management issue.

See how players hardly celebrate, smile or cheer of relieve at all after goal went in in Reading matches.

It is some sort like, when you losing trust on your boss, you just carry what is being instructed and perform what is being given, then rest, don't care much, then wait for pay check in the end of month. But when you believe your boss can carry your career into a step higher level, you are more willing to 'fight' in your career and looking after the company benefit.

Just my view though.

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post Jan 15 2010, 03:11 PM

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Rafa will be sacked.The boos tell you everything.
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Then pray Hiddink comes in, and deliver the much needed new Era of Supremacy.
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post Jan 15 2010, 03:24 PM

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Seriously, at this current rate, im going for Hiddink over Rafa anytime. But do we have the dough to pay rafa's departure and bring in Hiddink?
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Jan 15 2010, 04:24 PM)
Seriously, at this current rate, im going for Hiddink over Rafa anytime. But do we have the dough to pay rafa's departure and bring in Hiddink?
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post Jan 15 2010, 04:00 PM

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It'll be hard to get hiddink. Guess we'll move to another spanish coach. Besides that, we could try mark hughes tongue.gif

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QUOTE(gerrardtorres9 @ Jan 15 2010, 04:00 PM)
It'll be hard to get hiddink. Guess we'll move to another spanish coach. Besides that, we could try mark hughes tongue.gif
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IF replace benitez with mark hughes it become DISASTER not a crisis sweat.gif
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Jan 15 2010, 03:24 PM)
Seriously, at this current rate, im going for Hiddink over Rafa anytime. But do we have the dough to pay rafa's departure and bring in Hiddink?
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if we lose out in CL, we lose more..not qualifying for CL knockout stages cost us $20M already sweat.gif
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jan 15 2010, 04:23 PM)
if we lose out in CL, we lose more..not qualifying for CL knockout stages cost us $20M already    sweat.gif
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Should at least get into last 16. cry.gif
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post Jan 15 2010, 04:54 PM

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Hmm. I'm very very interested to see what happens with Rafa, ever since Guus declared interest.

You guys prefer Guus over Rafa? But this means the Spanish influence might be over, and then we can see Guus make full use of Babel lol.

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