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 A love story from busy guy, My failed relationship

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debbieyss
post Nov 29 2009, 02:31 PM

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Ok ok. Before I leave for piano teaching classes, I just want to ask few questions only:

1. What did your father actually want to tell you by saying: Contemplate about her. And he told you he has seen many other gals better than her, does he mean your ex isn't good enough? How much has your father known about her that he could put such a judgement on her?

2. LDR, Skype from half an hour to 5 minutes. If you said this relationship is a commitment, what is that that actually stopped you from spending her half an hour per day for Skype?

3. Do you believe that she tells you she approached you just to check if you are strong? Do you think there's actually another reason which is what moved her to do so?

4. I'm a pianist at lounges and pubs, doing master program next year, i know chinese as well, are you interested in me? I can be your online GF or GF in real life. And, I'm so desperate to debate with your father!

kthxbai!
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post Nov 29 2009, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(theWinner @ Nov 29 2009, 02:46 PM)
1. No one can exactly tell what is really going on in his mind! To contemplate other girls may mean she is really not good enough, but so far I rated her excellent while attending important events. And she did show the right manners. While, my dad may want me to consider other girls so that we don't have intimate relationship. My father hates Yee Sai Zhou, and being the only son, you know he can't afford to have me achieving nothing! 

2. No. I didn't mean the relationship is a commitment. I meant my PhD and achievement success is OUR commitment. Not half an hour per day, it was half an hour per week. My goal was to quickly finish my PhD on time within 3 years, so I kept our communication minimum during that time. I wanted to get back to MY as soon as possible with her, that's why I was cool.

3. Girl, ask yourself. To avoid further embarrassment on her, I pretended nothing happended, and maybe this was my mistake. Being angry, I didn't think further on that and concentrated on my work.
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She isn't one who takes things for granted, she isn't self-centered and she is simple minded. I'm afraid if she hands you her life, her life will be ruined.

QUOTE(pumpkinn @ Nov 29 2009, 03:11 PM)
+1

you did not appreciate her. if i were ur ex, i would have dumped you when you were doing your PhD in London. with the communication of 5 min A WEEK, she still chose to be with you, i would say she is the best gal on earth!!!
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Shiat! I think i'm the best gal on earth also!

QUOTE(skysherly @ Nov 29 2009, 03:14 PM)
Winner,

I presume everyone in a relationship will try their best to commit, of course I'm not talking about those young kiddos who play a fool in love around. I'm glad that you realize my point. As I read off all the post here, I can tell you from a girl's point of will, it's never easy for a girl to actually make the first move for an intimate relationship. The main reason for a girl to do so will only hope to please the lover in order to improve the relationship, of course cut off those b!tches around, I'm not talking about slut but normal girls. Sometimes, when something happen, it doesn't make it better for the girl if you just pretend nothing happen. You know, girls are different, we are not the worm in your stomach to know what you think, and eventually, girls need more affirmation from guys. In fact, in that matter when you were just pretending nothing happened, you were actually further the embarrassment on her.
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AGREE.

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post Nov 29 2009, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(barista @ Nov 29 2009, 03:49 PM)
I don't see there is any problem with Winner. You are in fact a very generous bf with great prospect.

The girl needs to be more independent that's all. She has you who can make things possible for her. She should be spending her time taking care of her own stuff and concentrating on her own career, improve herself instead.

You are still young and your father is right. There are many temptations out there and it is important for you to be in control of yourself. People often label rich and successful people a womaniser, daddy's boy etc...

I suggest you find a girl who knows what she wants, who can take care of her own things. You shouldn't be arranging facial and make up appointments. The most a guy needs to do is drive the gf to her appointments or have the driver take her there.

Since you travel so much, if I'm the gf, I look forward to flying out to see you while you are away. Then I can visit places, attend world class concerts and learn more.  icon_rolleyes.gif

If you are both serious and she has vision for the future, everything will be different once you become husband and wife. Then you can spend more time together. Hopefully by then, career and work wise both are stable and you can have more time together.
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Are you alright? You are trying to say his ex isn't independent enough? Are you ok? She's been all alone in MY, settling her own life matters and problems without him being there, plus there's only 5 minutes conversatio per week which is not even enough for her to sweet talk with him what's more to share him her problems and now you are saying she isn't independent enough? Is that call going together for ups and downs? Where are the ups and downs since both barely know what's happening with each other, with the merely 5 minutes of time, huh???

QUOTE(barista @ Nov 29 2009, 05:06 PM)
Both of you still in the 20s. So what's the worry?
You were both young and immature. People change you know? Learn to accept that.
What is 8 years? People can get married when they have known each other for less than a year and stay happily married.

Like I say, the time and person is not right. Do not use the amount of money you spent on her over the years to compare with love.
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Why can't he worry? If he does still love her, he has the right to patch back. Yes, you're right, many people gets married after knowing each other for less than 1 year as well as many people divorce after married for 20 years but I don't think we can use other people's examples to judge our own relationship, right?

If he'd still have the heart to patch back, by all means he should just go for it; if he is unsure then don't bother the gal's life as she may find her current life happy and comfortable.

We are not the one to judge if she's the right one for him or not, that's only he can tell.
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post Nov 29 2009, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(barista @ Nov 29 2009, 10:41 PM)
A woman should retain her career and financial independence even if she is attached. Who is to guarantee that no one else is eyeing your partner eh? Especially a rich and successful one? Who is going to guarantee that he is going to stay with you for life? Who can tell he is going to be the strongest and bread winner in the household? A lot of things can happen. I think a woman who is capable is going to make a big difference in a man's life. I think men also need a sense of security and not be the only person solely responsible for providing the household. Two capable people can provide for a better home.
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The case for TS is that her gf is emotionally cling on TS, i don't see any problems here, right?

She never asked any financial support from TS it's TS that gives her allowance out of generousity, right?

Smart woman will be independent in career but when comes to love and relationship, she will be a sweet little woman showing affection and admiration to her man.

Smart woman knows when to be independent and when to be clingy.

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post Nov 29 2009, 11:56 PM

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To continue my story: 

At Genting, I was drunk after having a bottle of Shiraz. I knocked on her door. She felt something amiss and opened.

"I'm so strong that I could ..... " I yelled.

I don't know what happened clearly then but when I woke up, I was on the bed in her room, and she was in my room.

This shows that your EQ is actually not up to the level.
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post Nov 30 2009, 12:11 AM

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Yes, pumpkinn. I agree with you.
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post Nov 30 2009, 09:12 AM

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theWinner, while I pity your ex, I pity myself, too, as I have such a similar experience with your ex.

I understand that it's hardly to have win-win situation in relationship and family. But if there's a way, there's a will.

And, yeah, I wonder if you ever asked your ex that she's happy all these time while being with you.
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post Nov 30 2009, 10:33 AM

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I like the way this thread goes.
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post Nov 30 2009, 10:40 AM

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TS, if you truly love her as who she is, you will ask her if she wants to pick up those sports BEFORE you start teaching her, right?

Secondly, if you truly love her as who she is, you will ask her if she is willing to attend those functions with you BEFORE you really bring her to, right?
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QUOTE(theWinner @ Nov 30 2009, 10:48 AM)
I sweet talked her to join, and she followed. I convinced her that everyone has a partner there. You girls, will you feel good to have your partner attend those functions alone?

Actually, she was like a shining star performing violin on stage during some of the functions. Of course, she performed only when people around asked for it, otherwise, you see, she would become a performer.
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So, you do not love her actually.

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post Nov 30 2009, 11:04 AM

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Winner, NO.

This is not the way to love a person.

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post Nov 30 2009, 11:10 AM

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Winner, if you love a person, let her be of who she is, let her does of what she likes.

Do not have to teach her if she doesn't request so. Do not teach her if you sense that she is trying to change herself to suit you.
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post Nov 30 2009, 12:31 PM

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Winner, please accept and agree of the comment I give you, please admit that you do not love her. Please do not make me being harsh to you as all this while I have been so gentle to you in words.

Ok, now you said you want her back. But from the way, steps and procedures you have got in mind to approach her back is really really childish. You are not a mature man, mentally immature.

Have you ever thought of sitting down, stay calm and reallly think which to go first, who to talk to and what to do, list down the sequence of your plan?

And yeah, I don't think you'd still love her and want her back. You're saying that you want her back is because you feel guilty and you want to patch back to compensate or restart the relationship or something like that.

You are an idiot in love.

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QUOTE(theWinner @ Nov 30 2009, 01:01 PM)
Didn't you hear stylish had been there? She said my GF still love me! She cares about me, sending me wishes during my birthday.

Yes, I'm not perfect. But, I'll be the best for her!
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Again, here shows how idiot you are. I mean the way you think. You want other's words to assure you that she'd still love you?

Again, we have just said you are too selfish. I know your intention to patch back is out of good will. BUT, have you ever tried to first figure out if she wants to patch back?

Seriously, you're immature.
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post Nov 30 2009, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(theWinner @ Nov 30 2009, 01:24 PM)
Failure must never be the reason to try things out. I have confident!
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See! This shows you how arrogant you are, AGAIN!

If you are gentle enough, you would say this: no matter how I will do my best but I will leave the decision to her.

I don't want to tell you how should you think because you will say "yeah, this is what I think, too."

I hope you can take a time off to think and figure out on your own; But I know you won't.

QUOTE(theWinner @ Nov 30 2009, 01:35 PM)
My heart's broken, while you are in a normal state. Speaking as someone other than me myself, you could yell I'm immature or whatsoever. You could never understand the urge to patch back inside me. I need her back dearly.
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I don't have to know how desperate you are to patch back. First thing you have to know is how to RESPECT her but all along you have not learned how to hear her desires in her heart, even NOW, you have not learned the lesson yet and you're still decide and plan everything and put everything and expectation according to YOUR will.

You should switch off your computer and stop replying here and really think about what and how should you do next.

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post Nov 30 2009, 02:13 PM

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All the best to you.
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post Nov 30 2009, 03:07 PM

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The life of a rich man's son isn't easy, huh?
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post Nov 30 2009, 03:21 PM

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When you listen something comfortable to you, you say people is being understanding.

One thing, I don't think you still understand actually, and you haven't changed.

One who is humble will not tell others of what you are telling below here:

QUOTE(theWinner @ Nov 30 2009, 03:14 PM)
Things have to be sorted out and done slowly to avoid any further mistake, so what the fuss if I talk about my rigid dad? Yes, call me loser now, but this does not mean I'll be loser forever if I want to win her back.

Tell me, how many successful relationship NEVER fail before? How many couples success without any break up? You are such a failure yourself to think that anything failed could never be success. You know how many times I failed in my research before getting a successful and satisfying result? Think yourself, we are not perfectionist!!!!!

Look at the shade of grey, not merely black and white!

I confessed I'm arrogant, and so if you think I'm an arrogant ass, please keep it to yourself. I have told I'm ready to change for her. Thanks!
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I don't think his father is the one that controling his way. I don't see any problems with it that his father has high hope on him.

I would say it's Winner's responsibility to master his time management skill intead. And yeah, be more considerate to her EX.
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And I would say, Winner, think what and how you should do before you really take action. Think on her behalf and think about the consequences before you approach her again. Adapt the appropriate ways to handle this relationship. Do not make mistakes again.

Learn how to manage your time well. Learn how to honor your parents. Learn how not to obey blindly.

I once forsaken what I initially have, just for my parents, so I understand how you feel. I no longer have it now but yeah, I have no regret cos I have thought of it thoroughly and I know this is the right decision to forsake it, so that my parents have no care about me.

Winner, remember if you really go for her this time, the consequence may not as what you want it to be. If you fail to win her heart back, it's ok. At least you have tried your best. Set her free. She will have a happy life, too.

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