i believe you have confused the term Net Protein Utilisation with Essential Amino Acids. they are 2 completely different matters. Meat Sources generally provide a complete protein source which includes all amino acids (with different ratios). your figures correspond more to the NPU figures.

and speaking on the issue of egg albeit being a good source of complete protein with good NPU, not all vegetarians consume eggs. also, with the high fat content of egg, how many would a person need to consume to fulfill his/her daily protein intake? it wont be wise to disregard the fat content will it?

altho the NPU values for beef and chicken may be lower than egg, the quantity of protein which they provide with each serve make up for it. with the ratio of essential amino acids differing with different meats, it is still wise to consume different meats.

this as compared to a vegetarian diet where you have to balance a few types of nuts and legumes just to maintain good amino acid intake. this is not mentioning other nutrients that come with meat that will need to be compensated for, with just one example of iron.

it is known that the body absorbs heme iron better than non-heme iron. which means that you would have to take way more iron in a vegetarian diet just to fulfill the iron requirements.

cloning is not so bad....it's like those test tube baby only....we just make sure the dna in the egg is the same with the dna from the host we wanted to clone. but trying to clone more complex organism like human and animal often result in unexplainable organ failure or other unexpected early decline...same case with dolly the sheep. when u want to make a offspring(baby) u need sperm and ovum each carry half of the genetic material needed to make a full set. so cloning is juz a method of putting a complete set of dna into the egg.

vegan beware cos the real dilema is the GM product or genetic modified product. it's everywhere and quite common. plant like tomato, soy bean and corn have proven quite successful in being genetically altered. they can make tomato plant that is resistance to certain powerful pesticide so that they can spray a lot of it and don't concern that the plant will die from it. The pesticide example is only 1 of the thing u can do with GM other include faster growth and better product etc. even like yakult(vitagen like) drink uses a special breed of lactobacillus which is also GMed.

GM product causes panic cos a lot of ppl worried that altering the genetic material of the organism may result in some unexpected dangerous result. maybe the new organism can cause cancer or may lead to an outbreak that turn ppl into zombie haha...mostly now scientist concern bout is those pesticide resistant gene get absorb into weed or other plant or into pest that we're trying to kill(imagine mosquito imune to shelltock)

clone also same

This post has been edited by -Chee|Wei-: Jan 4 2010, 03:11 PM

in other word

clone = copy
genetic modified(GM) product=we make a new organsm(not found in nature)

so chee wei....it's not the same

Lol there are more vege and fruits that are genetically engineered compared to meat....

hehehe...did u guys know the tomato we ate today wasnt look like that few years back?it took some modification and selection to get the best one

there's a difference between GM and cloning

of course it is..

and this is a cloning thread so dont bring GM into this

refering to the 1st post i would say that clone meat and natural meat totally don't have difference at all(it's like would u consume a cow meat if it's a twin cow aka clone) and ppl will not clone animal to increase or solve food problem. the mentioning of gm is to clarify the difference between cloning and gm.

we do not want to spend extra few thousand dollar to get a cow that look like it's parent right? meat from cow A and cow B is the same to us as long as it's the same breed and quality. currently cloning of human is still ban and research is focus more toward stem cell research with hope of getting organ replacement or tissue repair but it's still in quite elementary stage.

If i'm a scientist, i would use GM technology to produce the best cow, then use cloning technology to multiply the best cow to solve food shortage problem

question: is cloning the cows cheaper or is letting the cows mate by themselves cheaper?

hararu pokku, i say!

xD

Ok seriously now... not really. It's *quite* impossible to halal-ize a piece of dead carcass. Cloned or otherwise.

Islam-wise, definitely not.

Even if I'm not a Muslim, I wouldn't either. It's gonna be more expensive than killing a cow to eat meat grown in labs.

This post has been edited by teh tarik satu: Jan 15 2010, 11:29 AM

I think i won't eat cloned meat, unless it is stable genetically and not goddamn try to mutate every 5 generations. i scared i mutate along...
Anyway the cost of cloning meat is very very expensive with today's technology.

cloned meat tastes not bad ! Hmmmm

you eaten clone meat before?

anyway if they can develop cloned meat with the some texture and flavour of the real time, i am all for it. we can have meat with very little produce in a sterile environment, so the end product is clean and healthy to eat. best of all it remove the problem of cattle that use huge amount of energy to feed and they product large number of green house gas. and finally PETA can shut up and stop their ridiculous PR stunt.