Come to think of it. I'm not sure if it's due to handshake or due to some strange reason, progressive scan makes bad pic?? Also, after playing the game for awhile in 1080i (Dragon's lair)...1080i does seems a bit sharper...Bah...i'm too tired and too blurred now...u post some pics when u have yours okay!

btw, 1080i n 720p has obvious advantage of widescreen...i compare running in 480p and i get to see less picture...both side has been chopped like watching a DVD movie in 4:3 format!!

Nope. Firstly, i dun think we have 1080p display available locally. Even those available overseas is very few and those which are "true" 1080p even fewer.

Also, even if u look at most of the plasma and LCD today, they can't even offer "real" 1080i. After all, 1080i is 1920 x 1080 (or 540 if u prefer), and most plasma/LCD doesn't have that high resolution....only around 13xx x XXX.

Ex: SONY 50" Plasma is only 1,366 x 768 resolution!!!

http://www.sony.com.my/sonystyle/product/p...ubcategoryid=30

SONY 40" LCD is the same - 1,366 x 768

http://www.sony.com.my/sonystyle/product/p...ubcategoryid=37

So that means even if it supports 1080p, they'll just do a downsampling to the max resolution the panel can handle.

If i'm not wrong, i think there is only 1080p for DLP and CRT right now, and mostly from overseas. Furthermore, it's difficult to tell it's true 1080p or just downsampled to 1080i.

I say u dun bother with any 1080p right now:
(1) Price factor and local availibilty.
(2) Source material availibility. HDTV movies isn't common right now...maybe only next gen drive HD-DVD and Blu-Ray support this.
(3) PS3 still has lots of question marks.At any rate, i'm quite sure it'll support lower resolution and you probably can't see the difference between 1080i and 1080p with anything less than 40" widescreen or something.


And btw, 1080p plasmas is coming...check this out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060107/tc_zd/168726

You'll probably need a house loan to own one. LOL.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 16 2006, 02:57 PM

Congratulations! What di u mean it jumps a bit? If you mean it sorts of give a flash with some fuzzy lines, yes, mine does that too. So i guess it normal when changing from interlaced to progressive signals.

And u should also change ur digicam-ler...lemme poison u somemore. I use a Canon A70 to capture the shots. Not bad eh, even with handshaking and all that stuff.

Anyway, u should get DragonsLair 3D and test out the 1080i just to make sure ur TV works correctly in that mode! Also then u can compare and see which one u like better 720p or 1080i.

flea77: How u buy the component switch? I saw the farme switch in Sg Wang...dunno price though. I got mine online from Play-Asia.

"Play-Asia, the online store u can trust (insert music)..."

Damn...me doing free ad for them...LOL.

XBOXXX: Can set XBMC to 1080i mode meh? I dun see the option wor! Maybe mine is older version of XBMC?? I'm to lazy to update my XBMC...
And u put this tv in bedroom?????


This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 16 2006, 04:20 PM

And here's a funny product...

http://www.benq.us/Products/LCDTV/index.cf...=specifications

Take note: 1920 x 1080 NATIVE RESOLUTION. yet, only support up to 1080i. It seems like another one of those "1080p panels that don't accept 1080p signals"!!!

But i think LCD is really better....can last longer rite?

Anyway, both plasma and LCD will die once SED takes off.

CRT will live forever!!!

what jumping-ler bro...if the tv swittch to 480p mode from 480i mode, it sort of flash a second but after that it is okay. Does yours keep "jumping" even after the initial mode switch.

in case u can't find it, buy from here.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-2b-49-en-70-1ce.html

Play-Asia rocks!

Finish liao. That was the last one.

But i guess u can try to shop around there, maybe still got. I've only look at a few shops only before i found it.

Lord2Ashe is right. Bring along ur XBOX to test if you have to!!

Frankly, i would advice against the 2K+ CS29Z30BP 29" Flat Slimfit. It is not widescreen, only 4:3. The image quality also pretty sucky. Better get the SONY 29" for only RM1.8K with much superior image quality.

The 4K Samsung is quite okay, since it's widescreen and the image quality is better than the CS29Z30BP...but i still say it's not as good as a SONY or a Philips.

An alternate solution.

If u can up ur budget to 6K+, might as well go for a SONY Bravia LCD or similar LCDs from Philips(with Pixel Plus 2 - the king of all line doubler tech).

OR

Buy the 34" 4:3 SONY model for only RM2.9K. Since this has bigger screen, even when playing in widescreen(with black borders), it is noticeably larger than a 29" 4:3 in widescreen format.

btw, BENQ has a RM5K (or is it 6K?) 43" Plasma....but quality i dunno ler...

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 25 2006, 01:13 PM

I'm not sure this is the same model advertised here recently...i remember that as 43" while this is 46". Anyway, have a look.

More info: BENQ 46" plasma review.

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/di...p?reviewid=4752

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/televisions...rx.aspx#reviews


Frankly...if I'm going to spend > 4K for a display, i'll only choose a SONY, PHILIPS, PIONEER and maybe SAMSUNG and LG.

Wah..Pixel Plus 2 34" LCD cheaper than Sony bravia? How much? I think if got budget, opt for this ler. but i'm not sure about the native resolution. I think the resolution might be lower than Sony's Bravia though. Should try out both with your XBOX360 and see.

btw, You're welcomed on the info...but why refer me as "MR" matrix ar?? LOL. Sounds so weird.

Good luck in ur hunting and less us know what you bought and post some screenies when u got the hardware!

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 26 2006, 09:31 AM

Seriously, the PS2 doesn't support HD gaming. There is only one game GT4 which support 1080i and 480p are very hard to come by.

True HD gaming is 720p and above. Even on XBOX, not many games support 720p and 1080i, but about 99% support at least 480p. The XBOX is not only for FPS, the best version of cross platform action/racing games can be found here and some exclusive (Splinter Cell, Burnout, Prince of Persia etc...i've never bothered with PS2 version for these games). If you can find a 2nd hand XBOX for around RM500, it's well worth the money....not to mention the stuff u can do with a new bigger Hard disk.

Seriously, if u're only playing PS2, i think u better save ur money and forget about the HDTV now, coz the improvement is not really a lot for PS2 games...some games actually looks worst on HDTV for PS2 like DMC3...whatta mess!!!

I still play PS2 using my PC monitor...more convenient and the quality is not much different. More convenient in the bedroom.


Yes, i would agreed to stay away from the XBOX360 for now if you'r on tight budget...not many games for that system yet....and not much Japanese games on the horizon either.

Sorry to tell u...but ur LG SDTV definitely DOESN'T display at 1024 x 768. I guess you're using the normal S-VIDEO out to the TV. What it does is the GPU downsample the output to fit the 640x480(i)(more like 640 x240, IMO), thus u get all the blur picture.

And no, it won't be a good idea to use HDTV as a monitor. AFAIK, there is only ATI that has a special converter from certain ATI cards to convert to HDTV. The problem is, the output in HDTV is widescreen...i'm not sure how ur output will looks like, but my guess is most PC games will ends up looking elongated coz they dun support widescreen like console games (1 up for console gamers!

and IMO, it's worth to buy XBOX now...coz it'll be extinct very soon. A hacked XBOX can do a lot of stuff that even an XBOX360 might not able to....PS2 also great buy now...tons of games. If ur're on tight budget, then i dun advise u getting a next-gen system until another 2 years.

So current gen system is ur best bet.

Wow! great info XBOXXX, wah...if spent rm4k+ only discovered it can't support NTSC@60hz...then ja-lak lor!

researcher: Don't go to SENQ. They always charge higher price and doesn't follow the SONY retail price. Go Best Denki or some small electrical shops elsewhere. They'll sell u at the RM1799 price tag as recommended by SONY.

SENQ=The sux.

The mines there sure dun have-ler. Try Sg Wang. I'm sure there's a few units here and there. One of the most noticeable difference between a HDTV with propriatery tech like Pixel Plus, DRC etc is the flicker elimination. I dunno about you, but i can clearly see flickery lines on normal SDTV. Also the gap between the lines are much wider in a SDTV. Thus you'll see an overall darker image because there's black lines between the pics.

With a HDTV, even normal signals(good signals..those seen in showroom sometimes is very bad terrestial broadcast signal received...every tv also look like crap) is make better. It makes ASTRO signals looks a lot better. After you bought your SONY TV, you can test out the DRC-100 mode, which only doubles the vertical resolution, you'll get some idea how the SDTV looks like (but it still better than SDTV).

For a few hundred bucks difference, i assured you it's definitely worth it to get the SONY DB29M61 model. When you've set up your system with component cables and a progressive scan DVD player, it's like day and night. U can buy cheap plug DVD players later...only RM99 at Carrefour/Tesco(some more got progressive scan according to spec)...LOL.

Btw, the SONY DVD player that comes with my TV is pretty good...got optical out and decent pick up time....most notabley, it has optical out. I find it suprising that most RM300+ branded DVD player DOESN'T have an optical out. If u have a HT system, this is a must have feature. Although u still can connect to your amp with analog cables, it'll be hassle as you'll need 6 cables to send the 5.1 sound over!!! I've so many cables in my living room that it's going to look like a server room soon!

Also, one more good thing about the SONY DVD player, the remote is interfunctional with the TV. Means, with either the TV or DVD remote i can access to the basic fucntions of each equipment ( advanced function might need the actual TV/DVD remote). Very handy ...i've also too many remotes already!

Xboxx: U r in Melaka ah? Aiya, come KL shopping-ler....1.5 hours drive only. btw, i saw the XBOX HD Pack at One Utama the other day. It was not packed in the normal MS box though, i suspect they rip out this from some XBOX package that comes with this cable and sells it. They price tag it at RM110, but i'm sure it'll be much cheaper if i ask them the price.

fuiyo...u got amp and 5.1 setup and u use STEREO cables??!!!!

No way!!! Use an optical cable from ur PS2 to ur amp. Then u can get DD5.1 and DTS when watching DVD. Playing games won't make much difference though as most PS2 games is only Dobly Surround or Stereo, but it still the better option.

And congrats on your TV!

I think we can start a SONY DB29M61 fan club already hee-hee...

Let's see:
SONY DB29M61 user
Xboxx
Cylon
Researcher
Flea77
Matrix

anyone else i left out??

Xboxx: thanks for the tip. Hopefully now the Devil Won't Cry when playing the PS2 now coz the jaggies in DMC3 is insane with DRC on!

This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 6 2006, 10:00 PM

Ha..ha, you're outnumbered!!! Resistance is Futile!! Prepare to be asimilated!!!!

Gyaaaahhhhhh!!!

xxboxx: Haven't try DMC3 yet with DRC off...my PS2 is hooked to my monitor in the bedroom...too busy playing Dragon Quest 7 now.

Yah, watching hi-res pics on the TV is amazing...like watching on PC monitor!!

btw, i'm playing Incredible Hulk:Ultimate destruction on XBOX...this game very chun..the action is amazing and the way the hulk jumps from building to building sets butterflies in my stomache when he miss and falls...haven't feel like this for a videogame for a longtime already!!

The DA model is the predecessor. I think specs is almost same except for some minor enhancement in the DB model. Anyway, the DA model is obsolete already(not in production anymore) and has been replaced by the DB model.

Thus, you should buy the DB model, not DA model. Always buy latest version!!!

I think the sliight more correct answer is, there is NO SUCH THING AS A HDTV DVD player and THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HDTV MOVIES IN DVD FORMAT.
So even if you crack up a HDTV DVD player in your garage, you still can't do anything with it coz THERE'S NO MOVIE ENCODED IN THIS FORMAT ON DVD.

There's HDTV movie only currently on HD-DVD I believe, but i'm not sure if that is available to the mass market yet even in the US. I haven't read anything about HDTV movies in BlueRay yet, so i assume it's still WIP.

btw, some DVD players does upscale to 720p/1080i, but it's only upscaling. In fact, when i watch a DVD/any movies using XBMC in HDTV mode, i think it upscale already...and frankly, it doesn't looks any better than 480p(not that it's bad - it looks very good already on a 4:3 29" HDTV).

This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 22 2006, 09:17 AM